2017 Virginia HoD Thread

[Oryxslayer]

what a joke

What exactly is a joke about all this?

lol the democratic process sucks amirite XD

...the fact that it literally takes months of a convoluted procedure to figure out who won a race when in almost every other developed democracy you know it for sure in at most a week (and usually within a few hours of polls closing)?

That's right, nothing to see here! American democracy is already great!

To be fair, this is the recount process. We know the official winner 99% of the time on election night, and results, as shown here, are certified a week later. The only places I can think of that have quick recounts are FPTP Westminster systems like the UK, where a recount in a constituency is a regular procedure and happens frequently every election night. Hell, compare this to the Austrian Presidential election where the second round had 7 months between the virtually tied first vote and court ruled binding second vote.

Why does it took so long to certify? well, the state gives time for those who cast provisional ballots to show up at the county offices and present their ID.

[Skill and Chance]

what a joke

What exactly is a joke about all this?

lol the democratic process sucks amirite XD

...the fact that it literally takes months of a convoluted procedure to figure out who won a race when in almost every other developed democracy you know it for sure in at most a week (and usually within a few hours of polls closing)?

That's right, nothing to see here! American democracy is already great!

To be fair, this is the recount process. We know the official winner 99% of the time on election night, and results, as shown here, are certified a week later. The only places I can think of that have quick recounts are FPTP Westminster systems like the UK, where a recount in a constituency is a regular procedure and happens frequently every election night. Hell, compare this to the Austrian Presidential election where the second round had 7 months between the virtually tied first vote and court ruled binding second vote.

Why does it took so long to certify? well, the state gives time for those who cast provisional ballots to show up at the county offices and present their ID.

Also, the size of Westminster constituencies in the UK, Canada, Australia, etc. is on par with the size of a state level lower house seat in a large state.  Other than the Indian Parliament and Brazilian Senate, you don't really have any democratically elected foreign legislatures with district sizes that compare to the US House and Senate, or, for that matter, the CA and TX Senates (which have larger districts than US House seats!).

[heatcharger]

Academic elitist looks down on us for taking a little while to count votes. Sad!

[Gass3268]

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[Gass3268]

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[Ebsy]

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There is good reason to believe this seat is going to flip on the recount.

[The Other Castro]

Looks like a 50-50 House then? The power sharing arrangement will be very interesting.

[Dr. Arch]

Did Northam flip Caroline or Nelson counties in the provisionals?

It looks like provisionals haven't been counted yet for those counties.

[Gass3268]

Holy poop, maybe huge:

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[Dr. Arch]

Holy poop, maybe huge:

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LOL

[Gass3268]

Holy poop, maybe huge:

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LOL

No word on what way they were wrongly assigned, but I'd have to imagine if this is news it's the Democrat who got shortchanged.

[Mr.Phips]

Holy poop, maybe huge:

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Uh, is this a joke?

[Gass3268]

Now Republican tears:

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[Dr. Arch]

Now Republican tears:

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"Law & Order, Family Values"

[Gass3268]

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[Heisenberg]

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Are we sure that these are all Democrats' votes?

But I was told it was always Democrats who steal close elections.

ACORN!

Look, how about we all just admit that both sides do it and move on?

[Gass3268]

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Are we sure that these are all Democrats' votes?

But I was told it was always Democrats who steal close elections.

ACORN!

Look, how about we all just admit that both sides do it and move on?

Sounds like we might be getting redo election here, just too much of a screw up.

[windjammer]

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Are we sure that these are all Democrats' votes?

But I was told it was always Democrats who steal close elections.

ACORN!

Look, how about we all just admit that both sides do it and move on?

Sounds like we might be getting redo election here, just too much of a screw up.

Why should there be a redo election? I mean, even if all of these ballots were for "democrats", the republican would still leadby 1

[Gass3268]

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Are we sure that these are all Democrats' votes?

But I was told it was always Democrats who steal close elections.

ACORN!

Look, how about we all just admit that both sides do it and move on?

Sounds like we might be getting redo election here, just too much of a screw up.

Why should there be a redo election? I mean, even if all of these ballots were for "democrats", the republican would still leadby 1

Agreed. It should only be a redo if the number of misplaced ballots exceeds the margin. But from the looks of the tweet chain, it does appear like there might be more misplaced ballots.

83 misplaced ballots > 82 vote margin

Also, I don't think they could just switch the votes over to the other district because people vote for candidates, not parties.

Also an interesting note brought forward by our buddy Ben Tribbett:

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[Oryxslayer]

Something to note is that if Dems flip HD 94, then the potential future HD 28 revote will control the chamber. Both parties would poor money into the seat (Dems largely ignored it in favor of easier targets) and the race would take on its own character like the State senate race in Washington. Instead of voting on the candidates or on the parties, voters would now be deciding who should control the chamber.

[Virginiá]

Even a temporary Democratic majority and the possibility of a turncoat state Senate Republican provides for some interesting possibilities, legislation-wise. The VAGOP's viability at this point fully rests on them never letting the entire state government fall into Democrats' hands for even a few hours.

[Gass3268]

Even a temporary Democratic majority and the possibility of a turncoat state Senate Republican provides for some interesting possibilities, legislation-wise. The VAGOP's viability at this point fully rests on them never letting the entire state government fall into Democrats' hands for even a few hours.

Correct, a special election in progress with HD94 flipping would result in the Democrats getting able to elect the Speaker, which wouldn't change even if a Republican won in HD-28. Only thing that would change is they would have to split committee chairs.

There are so many structural things I would love to change with Virginia, but I think if Democrats ever get total control, they should expand the size of the legislature to 101 to better prevent these tied situations.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Even a temporary Democratic majority and the possibility of a turncoat state Senate Republican provides for some interesting possibilities, legislation-wise. The VAGOP's viability at this point fully rests on them never letting the entire state government fall into Democrats' hands for even a few hours.

Correct, a special election in progress with HD94 flipping would result in the Democrats getting able to elect the Speaker, which wouldn't change even if a Republican won in HD-28. Only thing that would change is they would have to split committee chairs.

There are so many structural things I would love to change with Virginia, but I think if Democrats ever get total control, they should expand the size of the legislature to 101 to better prevent these tied situations.

It would be more fun to make it 99, and then play a game of musical chairs to see who loses a seat.

[Antonio the Sixth]

It seems like a long shot, but hopefully it will flip.

[Oryxslayer]

Even a temporary Democratic majority and the possibility of a turncoat state Senate Republican provides for some interesting possibilities, legislation-wise. The VAGOP's viability at this point fully rests on them never letting the entire state government fall into Democrats' hands for even a few hours.

Correct, a special election in progress with HD94 flipping would result in the Democrats getting able to elect the Speaker, which wouldn't change even if a Republican won in HD-28. Only thing that would change is they would have to split committee chairs.

There are so many structural things I would love to change with Virginia, but I think if Democrats ever get total control, they should expand the size of the legislature to 101 to better prevent these tied situations.

It would be more fun to make it 99, and then play a game of musical chairs to see who loses a seat.

If  dems get control, they will probably hold it until 2021 - allowing them to redistrict. If a seat is cut/added, it will be then.