2012 NDP leadership convention

[Hatman 🍁]

I think its absurd to think that if Canada had a slightly higher marginal tax rate on people with incomes over $250k - there would be this sudden mass exodus of to the US. If that were true - the exodus would have already happened long ago.

I'm more concerned that a cap and trade system that was punitive enough to raise BILLIONS of dollars would cause entire industries to move south of the border to places like North Carolina...

Why are there ANY doctors whatsoever in Canada?? According to that argument, since doctors make more in the US 100% of Canadian medical school graduates would pack their bags and move to Miami.

Of course you are right, I'm just suggesting what people believe.

[Хahar 🤔]

Democrats are winning elections all over the place pledging to reverse the Bush tax cuts on the top 1%.

What now?

[RogueBeaver]

Restating the obvious: Mulcair, Nash and Topp are the only ones who a) are bilingual b) can win the leadership.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ndp-leadership-hopefuls-test-french-skills-in-quebec-debate/article2335615/

[Peter the Lefty]

Restating the obvious: Mulcair, Nash and Topp are the only ones who a) are bilingual b) can win the leadership.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ndp-leadership-hopefuls-test-french-skills-in-quebec-debate/article2335615/

Nathan Cullen is bilingual and is considered to be an underdog, but not to the extent of Ashton, Singh, and (formerly) Saganash. 

[RogueBeaver]

Hence my qualification. The story's really about Dewar's French or lack thereof.

[RogueBeaver]

Nash goes for consensus?

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1130097--tim-harper-peggy-nash-seeks-the-consensus-route-to-leadership?bn=1

Maher: Start winnowing the field.

http://www.canada.com/news/Maher+Survivor+Edition+needs+vote+some+competitors+island/6141551/story.html

Quebec battle between Mulcair and Topp.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1130149--quebec-battle-between-mulcair-topp-emerges-as-ndp-leadership-race-heats

[lilTommy]

So of those who watched the French debate, should Dewar drop out?

[RogueBeaver]

I'm a non-Dipper but also a Quebecer. My response is "hell yes."

[lilTommy]

Dewar has had some good ideas and some great support; but his lacking french and the jump-the-gun-deputy choice of Angus (another barely bilingual Ontarian) are deal-breakers for me.

[Holmes]

Hey, Charlie is a fine man.

[RogueBeaver]

TBF, there aren't any francophones he could choose for deputy leader. (Boulerice is far too inexperienced right now) Mulcair, Nash or Julian would all be solid choices for that post.

[MaxQue]

Hey, Charlie is a fine man.

Well, Peggy Nash said than he was a poor choice for being the deputy of Dewar, because Dewar has an afwul French and Angus doesn't speak French either.

Anyways, in short, if Dewar win, NDP will crash in Quebec and NDP will return to being the 4th party in Ottawa.

Sorry, Earl.

[lilTommy]

Hey, Charlie is a fine man.

Oh no insult meant, i frakin' love Charlie!.... but as deputy leader when the leader is also from ontario... not a great choice.

Boulerice is a Topp man? if were just looking at quebers as deputy, there is Boivin who could do it (female vs male leader too)

The Deupty leader is going to really depend on who the leader is (same as above, if Mulcair is leader we don't want the deputy to be from PQ as well and so on with that same logic)

[MaxQue]

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-canadienne/201202/13/01-4495430-course-au-npd-mulcair-premier-topp-cinquieme.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_B4_manchettes_231_accueil_POS3

A Dewar internal, on 6373 voters (probably people who filled the poll at the bottom on his emails).

Mulcair 25.5%
Nash 16.8%
Dewar 15.1%
Cullen 12.8%
Topp 12.7%

Second choice:
Dewar 21.2%
Nash 19.4%
Mulcair 16.7%
Cullen 14.4%
Topp 12.4%

If the polling was done the way I think it was done (after reading a Dewar ad), Dewar numbers are probably a bit inflated for him.

[RogueBeaver]

Impossible to gauge, but my best guess is that Mulcair would be in trouble if he doesn't win on the first ballot.

[RogueBeaver]

Am I the only one who found it weird to see Dewar attacking Nash from the left on healthcare?

[MaxQue]

Am I the only one who found it weird to see Dewar attacking Nash from the left on healthcare?

No. The law bans privatising. Nash, pandering to the nationalists, said she wouldn't involve in that.

It says two things.
Nash value electoralism over values.
Dewar has no clue on how to win Québécois.

[RogueBeaver]

She knows that we're a province of paradoxes: most Quebecois love our model but also don't want our status as the capital of private healthcare tampered with. Dewar doesn't.

[Hatman 🍁]

Hey, Charlie is a fine man.

Well, Peggy Nash said than he was a poor choice for being the deputy of Dewar, because Dewar has an afwul French and Angus doesn't speak French either.

Anyways, in short, if Dewar win, NDP will crash in Quebec and NDP will return to being the 4th party in Ottawa.

Sorry, Earl.

*sigh* It's alright... I really don't like the field of candidates... I'm starting to warm up to Mulcair again. Maybe I'll vote for him.

[RogueBeaver]

Not like the federalist parties have ROQ wired either (I still strongly doubt polls that show a Grit lead here), which could point to a BQ comeback.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1130644--hebert-ndp-tide-in-quebec-is-quickly-receding

[Hatman 🍁]

I've lost all respect of her, but I have a low opinion of political pundits who aren't myself (Alice Funke excluded).

Anyways, I just renewed my membership online. w00t.

[RogueBeaver]

The gains are very fragile by any metric, whether it be attendance, anectodal evidence or poll numbers. Everything's tentative for the next 6 weeks, which is why we should all be taking whatever polls come out (whether QC or national) with a heavy dose of salt.

[RogueBeaver]

What do you guys think?

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/02/13/andrew-coyne-ndp-could-lose-its-identity-in-misplaced-effort-to-win-middle-ground-quebec/

[MaxQue]

Perhaps.

I strongly disagree with Nash proposal, but I don't reflect the middle Québécois as I'm against involvent of private in Quebec healthcare, even if Quebec government is for.

[RogueBeaver]

It was a savvy move- trying to broaden her appeal to nationalist and floating voters on the soft and centre-left. The CHA has been dead for a couple of decades in all but name anyways by mutual Grit/Tory consent, but no one dares say so publicly.