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lilTommy
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« on: August 23, 2011, 12:02:32 PM »

Nice list, I'm wondering if there are even more names perhaps outside of elected (prov/federal) politics that might run? Someone like Steven Page or Rick Mercer (that would just be fun)
 
I think we can safely eliminate some of those names right away...

Lorraine Michaels - going into an election with high hopes
Darrell Dexter - first premiership, I'm sure he'd like to be the "Doer of the East" so i don't expect him to leave NS
Black, Martin, Blaikie.... all used to be MP's then MLA's and now are retiring (except Martin, he might run provincial again)
... i would axe anyone over 70 (or darn close like Martin)
There are a lot of new MPs listed here, the only ones i think would run would be those with pretty weighty backgrounds (Saganash, Nash, Boivin)

Also... preferably after a leadership vote, a By-election will have to happen... TO-Danforth would be perfect for a leader with no seat; someone like Miller
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2011, 12:29:25 PM »

Well, I have some ideas for who may run in a by-election:

These names come to mind:
Marilyn Churley
Mike Layton (although he is the councillor in Trinity-Spadina)
Peter Tabuns
Mary Fragedakis
Paula Fletcher

The Only ones I'd say wouldn't run are:
Mike (not his riding) and Mary - both just won their council seats in October.

Peter is going into a provincial election this year... If the party does really well, i could see him run to replace Jack; if they perform poorly, I'd see him stick around at the provincial level as they would then need his experience and presence at Queens Park.
Paula - wouldn't it be funny that the councillor who replaced Jack, replaced him as MP. She's harder to pin down. She almost lost facing a "name" candidate in October and suffered some backlash against the Leslie Yard. But shes been a relatively vocal opponent of the Fordists, so she might just stay put to fight those bigger battles coming next budget.
Marilyn - I heard shes a JP now, which is one reason she didn't run in Beaches (which i am sure she mildly regrets now). I could see her run, shes in her late 60's now so maybe not.
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lilTommy
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2011, 08:07:13 AM »

It would be a fantastic time to be a New Democrat in Quebec... funny i choose Toronto over Montreal for school due to the (perceived) dominance of the Bl;oq... wow did i ever make the wrong choice eh Tongue

I think the fact that its the summer (most people are on vacation or working and out of school) so volunteers can be hard to find. Most of the Quebec MPs are travelling back and forth to Ottawa for training sessions and events in other parts of the country (from what i hear) so i think come fall more infrastructure will shape. But i agree you should help out in Montreal... who says you have to help build in Outremont? Why not Laurier or Rosemont, those will be very important assosications to help build up.
There are a number of provincial elections coming up too so resources from Ontario especially really wont be around.

Brian Topp is fantastic in the inner workings, that would be a loss and hes still completely unknown.
Mulcair brings cabinet experience, credibility (leaving the liberals over principle) moderation (come hither Tories and liberals Tongue) BUT hes perceived to be cold and aggressive and unlike Layton. For him to win over many he needs to soften or at least be seen as more common-man than he is now. Anyone know more about his character?
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lilTommy
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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2011, 11:31:34 AM »

If the NDP can keep this support building, this race will indeed be to choose the next PM, thats a big prize, might see some out-of-caucus names appear

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/public-grief-over-layton-puts-ndp-even-with-tories-in-poll/article2148563/

HARRIS DECIMA
Tories - 33%
NDP - 33%
Liberals - 21%
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lilTommy
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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2011, 02:48:14 PM »


As per wiki, yes.... Born in Montreal and raised in Buckingham PQ.

Well the last poll i think had the NDP at 31... 33 is still up, you know us NewDems, slow and steady wins the race right Tongue
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lilTommy
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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2011, 07:58:39 AM »
« Edited: September 09, 2011, 08:02:06 AM by lilTommy »

Excellent news. Central Canada means I will probably be able to go (although having a convention in Vancouver didn't stop me this year). Maybe I will be able to meet Holmes! Cheesy

Who decides who goes to the Conventions?

Technically the ridings, but I'm sure you could just show up at the convention and they'll randomly assign you a riding to represent.

Well, I don't have time to go there anyways. I'll focus on the campus association.

If it's in Montreal, you have no excuse! Wink

I have the excuse than Outremont riding will be full of delegates already. And if all the members of Montreal goes, that will be a mess.

Even if I can pretend than I'm Abitibian and not from Montreal.

Who cares. Show up to the convention, and request to participate. You may represent Wild Rose or Cardigan or Selkirk-Interlake or Parry Sound-Muskoka. It doesn't matter...

Seems illogical, but it worked like that last time. Well, I don't see why I should speculate on a event which may be far away from Montreal in months.

My first convention i was an Alternate from Peterborough ON (BORING as hell) but managed to get Nova Scotia credentials... forget which riding, i was young and wanted to be able to participate with the NDPYouth caucus. In quebec we will NEED votes and voters, i'm sure the party would be itching (i want to say hot & horney) to get quebec francophone membership and riding organisers... hint hint Tongue

I would have loved to hit up Vancouver, but i'm a working man now so couldn't go Sad

Xahar, its even more prominent in Toronto, your a 416'er (TO proper) or a 905'er (GTA suburbs)(even though we have two toronto area codes, the other is 647 but no one talkes to them anyway LOL)
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lilTommy
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2011, 02:26:23 PM »


eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

ooh that's the weekend of the Toronto Comic-Con though. Sad I could just go Sunday but all the good stuff happens on Saturday. Hmm! I don't know what to do.

Worse than Sophie's Choice!! Tongue
I'm very excited that i should be able to attend now that i know its in TO! but i wonder why TO? over say Montreal or even ottawa?
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lilTommy
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2011, 10:24:50 AM »

Brain Topp is in:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/09/12/pol-ndp-brian-topp.html

AND! he has been endorsed by Francoise Boivin AND a surprise Ed Braodbent. I'm still very iffy on this guy, i like Tom, and have been more impressed with Toms experience and performance as an MP and NewDemocrat; but with Ed's endorsement, wow. I find he still have no experience outside of the backroom
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lilTommy
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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2011, 11:57:13 AM »

Well Tom (Mulcair) has already said hes more serious then Jack was, but i did a quick google image search and tada plenty of pics of him smiling! Its easy enough to pick an unflatering picture, just like at the TO star and almost any picture of Rob Ford Tongue
Also, at Jack's wake in Ottawa he looked to be one of the most emotionally struck men i'd seen there... that image still sticks with me. NO one will be as charasmatic as Jack, and we (ndp'rs especially) have to get over that quick, we can only seek to continue his legacy not replace him. This is not going to be the Liberal leadership where we "need" a compromise candidate... i think we all learned how well that turned out with Dion.
Topp rubs me the wrong way, and i agree with what he had said at his leadership launch, but at this point he still wont have my vote... as the "establishment" candidate; the one who is seen to be crowned by the media, even more so he dosen't have it.
My thoughts are this is going to be a Topp/Mulcair/Dewar/Nash/Julian race
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lilTommy
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2011, 01:07:44 PM »

I might have been wrong... Romeo Saganash has a speech booked in Val d'Or on Friday (according to the twitterverse)
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lilTommy
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2011, 12:19:19 PM »

That's 2 - 0 Québec MPs supporting Topp over Mulcair, yes?

Sounds like 4... Claude Patry, Robert Aubin, Francois Lapointe, Jamie Nicholls

Thats really disapointing if Saganash dosen't run... and worse endorses Topp
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lilTommy
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2011, 06:52:22 AM »

I'm not generally a fan of Topp running, i agree thats not the face i want to see. Hes been fantastic in the backroom, he should stay there we need those resources. In fact i think hes hurting the party more by running for the leadership.

I live in TO-Danforth... i don't want him to run here, i want someone with local deep roots, preferably a woman; anyone who is "dropped in" will feel a backlash and might cause this to move into the Liberal fold (obviously depending on who the Liberals nominate).

I really Hope Saganash runs, its sounding less likely and its starting to become a disapointing race... i will admit its still REALLY early.
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lilTommy
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2011, 12:20:24 PM »

Saganash is RUNNING!

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Quebec+Romeo+Saganash+running+leader+post/5413799/story.html

Thank god, its fantastic news that we have another candidate and someone as new and exciting to people... is this not the first time a First Nations person has run for leader of any party?
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lilTommy
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2011, 07:15:26 AM »

OK, i am so tired of this... just because hes from Quebec doesn't mean that no one from the rest of Canada will vote for him! (sorry, NDP members wont vote for him) the logic that says party members will ONLY vote for the "home town boy" is ridiculous.
Jack won over the west, and he was seen as the epitome of Toronto, and many people hate TO because its TO.
Alexa won in the late 90's and at that time we had NO seats east of Manitoba...
Topp is a quebecer but we don't hear the same things now do we? Topp is living (i believe, someone can correct me) in TO, i live here too, but i am in no ways voting for him.

NDPers will vote for whoever they feel can a) represent the party b) represents their beliefs and c) can win.

So lets (those fellow NDPers) focus on rebuilding the membership in PQ and SASK and everywhere instead of jumping into a numbers game that just isn't logical. Those who think that the west, and ON will vote en-block do not know the NDP.

OK rant over Tongue

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lilTommy
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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2011, 08:41:32 AM »

Word out from Megan Leslie, via Facebook... she won't run:

"Friends, thank you so much for all your encouragement to consider running for the leadership of the NDP. Your support means so much to me. After a lot of reflection, I have decided that it's not the right time for me. I've put my thoughts into this note to share with all of you. Thank you"

In for sure: Saganash, Topp
Expected: Mulcair, Dewar, Nash, Julian
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lilTommy
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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2011, 09:02:42 AM »

She's not that inexperienced. She ran in 2006 lost, ran again in 2008 and won so she has 3 years exp. in parliament. She speaks 5 languages - including impeccable French. She also had Michael Moore come and campaign for her in Thompson MB. I agree she would be a longshot - but she would add a lot to the race.

Maybe raising her profile isn't such a bad thing, if that means having a westerner in the race. She would be the best candidates who could help rebuild the Sask membership, expand it in MAN & ALTA, shes the most atttractive MP for young people to identify with. Plus her father is a cabinet minister (ok i hope he still is after october) and he just ran a leadership race so there would be a fountain on experience with him.
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lilTommy
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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2011, 10:48:15 AM »

My opinions:

We all knew it was a love-in, the NDP is not in the habit of being brutal to each other, and i don't think they should be. In the end they all have to work together as MP's and hopefully cabinet ministers. the last thing you want is an enemy behind you and worrying about the knife that might come..

I liked what Topp was saying but i found his attack on Dewar pretty distasteful, it degenerated into something petty. I like how open and honest he is about the need to creating a fair tax system, even if its not popular.

Saganash was disappointing in the English debate (which i hear he chalked up to bronchitis) be he was vague and i found it hard to see him as inspiring.

Singh more than impressed me in how eloquent he was, hes definitely a one-issue pro-business candidate, and i think he did a very good job of expressing that from a progressive point. I hope he decides to run the next election, hes not my choice for leader but i think he would make a good MP.

Cullen was hilarious, he had the best jokes-one liners during the English bedate; he came across as the most relaxed and laid back, most common-folk fella.

Mulcair showed hes not an angry man, he came across as warm but also the most intelligent with very detailed comments on the need for sustainable development, he impressed me with his deep knowledge and ability to communicate that in sound bites.

Aston to me came off aggressive, not sure why but i just kept saying to myself "calm girl". She passionate i will give her that, but i didn't find her very likeable (even thought i do indeed like here a lot!)

Nash was confident and again i liked what she had to say, Leader I'm just not being swayed yet... top 3 vote for me... her Union ties will hurt her during the hustings as leader... like it or not many Canadians aren't fans of unions (i can see it, but disagree wholeheartedly).

Chisholm, I'm happy hes in the race, but i think he will be one of the first to drop out.

Dewar was actually came off as stiff to me, presented some good ideas and some that i might not support (like keeping the GST as is) but good on him, hes going to need to learn how to back up his positions and not say "were not talking about this right now"

All in all a good start, the candidates are starting to stake ground on issues and positions and directions... i was very impressed with the diverse group.

 
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lilTommy
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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2011, 12:42:55 PM »

If ever having had tied to a union is such a disadvantage - how is it that the former leader of the Manitoba Government Employees Union - Gary Doer - won three terms in Manitoba and is now Canadian ambassador toi the US. Its not as if MB is some uniquely pro-union province by any means.

Good call, so there is precident... anyone know if his union ties were used against him in 99?
I want to make it clear I DON'T think it is personally but if were looking to grow the party past the base..."progressive" and moderate friends and family members show an odd distain for unions... otherwise some of these guys would vote NDP. It would be great to hear how one can counter attacks. I'm sorta thinking ahead to see not only who best can represent the NDP but who can grow it.
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lilTommy
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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2011, 01:35:31 PM »

news on endorsements:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/Mulcair+gains+steam+leadership/5825297/story.html

Mulcair just picked up a big one, former MP, GG and MAN premier Ed Schreyer. BIG for Mulcair who needs big western support to get his name out there.

Anyone know if all the candidates will be at the BCNDP convention this wknd?
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lilTommy
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« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2011, 11:33:07 AM »

The only way i will support a quota system would be under a PR list say if canada wakes up and adopts MMP... whereas my preference would be "man/woman/man/woman" etc... as well as in the top ten have at least one slot for the highest vote getter (by party members) for minority and youth. These are the under-represented groups under FPTP.

I fully support the current NDP selection process where they actively search for women, minorities, etc to encourage them to participate. I don't support the BC model where retiring members have to be replaced by women (correct?) and certain nominations being female only.
Its a fine line here.
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lilTommy
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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2011, 08:46:36 AM »

I just wanted to throw that out there about the Unions, i think its a legitimate concern having worked as a union steward i know, people have no understanding what Unions do, how they work and what they fight for... anywho, thats only one part of the NDP, i find some canadians vote based on only one of two policiy ideas (that affect them) or the leader themselves.

Charlottetown is probably the only PEI target in "play"... If they win that in 2015, i'd say they would also be picking up other urban/rural ridings that they need to win (especially in Ontario) like Brant, Peterborough, Chatham-Kent-Essex, etc
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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2011, 10:15:27 AM »

I think this is why i am favouring Mulcair... hes coming across as a moderate social democrat to me, especially the more i hear of his policies... He reads to me a social democrat but i think the NDP needs a moderate leader backed by what the party is, a mixture of socialists, SD's and progressives. This is the way to win in ridings like Charlottetown and expand into more moderate areas in the cities. Hes an intellectual and needs to work on his "every-man" appeal that we need in more rural areas... might simply start with switching up the gear and not wearing a tie one day. Sounds dumb, but look at Peter Kormos probably one of the more radical left NDP members but never wore a tie at QP. Love that guy! 
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lilTommy
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« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2011, 09:58:17 AM »


This graph is amazing... but can you let us know how you were able to plot each candidate?
I'm somewhat surprised Topp isn't on the left of Jack after his admirable "tax the rich" stance... my joke is i'm surprised hes not in the same square as jake LOL ... a joke, not necessarily a good one Tongue
My impression are that Cullen can't be that left wing if he wants joing candidates with the Liberals? and Just because Mulcair wants less weight of Labour within the party does that make him so polar to Nash who was a negotiator and president but that shouldn't automatically place her in their most favoured square.
Anywho, just looking for how you plotted the candidates... and i'm sure its fluid

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lilTommy
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« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2012, 08:56:20 AM »

Danny Morin a PQ MP is now supporting Peggy Nash. One of the young class from Quebec, also one of the few openly gay MPs like Randall Garrisson, Philipe Toone and Libby Davies
http://peggynash.ca/2012/le-depute-du-npd-dany-morin-appuie-peggy-nash-a-la-chefferie/

A good review of Mulcair... in the Post of all places (cringe)
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/12/30/thomas-mulcair-stakes-his-leadership-bid-on-a-pledge-of-sustainable-development/

Peggy Nash pushing an alternate economy
http://www.straight.com/article-570731/vancouver/peggy-nash-hopes-win-ndp-leadership-highlighting-economic-alternative-stephen-harpers-approach

... the race ain't getting the attention it needs, i've heard its been ignored completely in Alberta when each canadidate has come to town (f'ing media)

BTW, love that map! Makes me wonder how the NDP would look if it ran US caucuses? what if the NDP had its own Iowa, say Sask an omage to the history of the party.
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« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2012, 02:04:06 PM »

The momentum has seemed to shift in favour of Mulcair and Nash, at the expense of Topp... which is fine with me.
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