The Hofoid House of Absurd & Ignorant Posts VII

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When Trump said “there are fine people on both sides” he implied that some of the counter-protestors were not white nationalists. Of course, the media ignored the fact that a sizable portion of those protesting the statue’s removal were run of the mill conservatives and labeled everyone who showed up as “white nationalists” because a handful of actual Nazis showed up the night before and did their lame little tiki march. It became a much broader event.

The fact that Antifa showed no discrimination in attacking the demonstrators shows how irresponsible and outright false our media has become. There will be other posters who will respond to this assuredly by insulting me, continuing to perpetuate the “official” narrative, and then lament the division in the country in a typical three act Atlas play.

But to continue the trope that Trump endorsed white supremacy after Charlottesville, or that both sides were basically black and white in terms of the context of responsibility, than you’re either willfully or inadvertently only worsening the divide.

Once again CocaineSanchez you are in a best case scenario you are showing your extreme ignorance and lack of understanding regarding the political formations and their history, background, and tactics regarding the White Supremacist Movement in the United States of America.

This was explicitly organized as a coalition effort among some of the most hard-line Neo-Nazi and White Supremacist organizations from throughout the US, in what has become an extremely fragmented political movement in recent years....

The goal was to unite the Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist Movement, and additionally draw in a ton of new recruits drawn by the increasing change of the guard where the "alt.right" on the dark-web was increasingly usurping the traditional hierarchical rule of the "old guard" of the Movement....

This was explicitly billed on their social media websites essentially as a "Unite the Fascists Movement"....

Now in a worst case scenario, once again you are essentially dissembling and trying to create a false narrative that downplays the role of White Supremacists for whatever motivation...

You talk of creating a false narrative but you have offered up nothing in the way of sources aside from a meme that you've taken out of context in what I can only assume to be some sort of veiled threat. I get you're unhappy at the Nazi occupation Walmart slave job you claim to have, but you aren't exactly Free French Forces material.

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Yeah the anti-semite isn't winning this. For republicans Freitas and Vogel are both from this seat

For heaven's sake she is not an anti-Semite. Criticizing US policy with Israel is not anti-Semitic and that is what her book highlighted. What is anti-Semitic was the march on Charlottesville that the Jesus Christ adorned GOP refused to sharply condemn. Get it right.

Nobody's allowed to say anything about Israel in this country. For all the right wing whining about people like Laura Ingram being taken down by "leftist SJW mobs," you never hear those on the right say anything about all the laws passed that essentially criminalizes the criticism or boycotting of Israel.

AIPAC has such a stranglehold that even the overwhelming majority of the politicians accused of being anti-semitic because they actually criticized Israel for something still voted to have $225 million of US taxpayer money go to Israel's Iron Dome system to allow them to kill as many Palestinians as they want without any consequences.

My favourite posts on this site is the posts that imply I should die

People like jfern are all too willing to sacrifice other people (like the Dreamers) as long as they get to maintain their ideological purity.

Muh Dreamers! Muh dreamers!

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When Trump said “there are fine people on both sides” he implied that some of the counter-protestors were not white nationalists. Of course, the media ignored the fact that a sizable portion of those protesting the statue’s removal were run of the mill conservatives and labeled everyone who showed up as “white nationalists” because a handful of actual Nazis showed up the night before and did their lame little tiki march. It became a much broader event.

The fact that Antifa showed no discrimination in attacking the demonstrators shows how irresponsible and outright false our media has become. There will be other posters who will respond to this assuredly by insulting me, continuing to perpetuate the “official” narrative, and then lament the division in the country in a typical three act Atlas play.

But to continue the trope that Trump endorsed white supremacy after Charlottesville, or that both sides were basically black and white in terms of the context of responsibility, than you’re either willfully or inadvertently only worsening the divide.

I don't know what you're definition of a "handful" is, but it doesn't match mine.  If any "fine" person showed up to this and couldn't realize in about 2 seconds that this was an Aryan sh**t show, then they really weren't that fine of a person.

I'm not arguing that the Tiki march was sparsely attended, or that the white supremacist presence in Charlottesville wasn't marginal - but they still only represented a fraction of the right leaning protesters present.

You're arguing that there were only a handful of Nazis, I'm saying that's more than a handful and in the video of the daytime festivities  they looked the same too.  If any fine people showed up to protest (some hardcore civil war reenactor) they probably had the common sense to get out of there, common sense that Trump lacked when he choose to pontificate on the events.  Although, that's because Trump is a bigot.

Again, you're entitled to your opinion but not your own facts. Repeatedly posting pictures of the Tiki March does not make the case that the crowd in Charlottesville was overwhelmingly far/hard right does nothing to change the fact that it simply wasn't.

I'm not denying that the Neo-Nazis were present, nor that they were violent - there is plenty of evidence in support of that. IIRC a black man was savagely beaten in a parking garage in addition to the car crash incident.

Regardless, I'm not going to cry any crocodile tears. The "counter-protesters" and their ilk have displayed a far more immediate and concerning penchant for violence.

How do you explain stuff like this? Besides "muh deflection."

What about this? Why does my side have to take the blame for a lame tiki march when another angry old Democrat like you was responsible for this?

This is literally a daily recurrence on my Twitter feed.

I'm sick and tired of this "both sides do it" nonsense. BS. Your side does it.

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Hey Sanchez, let's say, hypothetically, that you are a "fine" person and you had an opportunity to attend the protest against the statute removal, would you have stuck around if you saw the tiki march?  Or when you showed up for the day event and saw all the Aryan symbols and battleshields?  Would you have just stayed in the imaginary cordoned off area for "fine" protestors?

I wouldn't have attended because I'm not particularly hot and bothered by Confederate monuments, but nice try.

Hey Sanchez, let's say, hypothetically, that you are a "fine" person and you had an opportunity to attend the protest against the statute removal, would you have stuck around if you saw the tiki march?  Or when you showed up for the day event and saw all the Aryan symbols and battleshields?  Would you have just stayed in the imaginary cordoned off area for "fine" protestors?

I mean, let's be real, he would've been carrying a torch himself. And he's not the only person on Atlas who wishes he was there.

Etu Santander?

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Likely R, closer to Safe R.

No Southern State, with the exception of Virginia is voting for a biracial woman. (North Carolina for Obama in 2008 was a major exception).

Florida voted for a Black man twice but won't vote for a half-Black woman once?

I doubt that.

Southern Whites are both racist AND sexist.

That's quite a view you have of southerners. I have news for you. The north has lots of folks who feel the same way. I mean, last I checked, Wisconsin and Michigan both voted for the Orange Racist, Misogynist and Minnesota almost did as well. Same with Maine and NH. If not for major cities like NYC and Philly, PA and NY would have voted for the Dunce as well.

That just expands my point to whites in general.

Ironic because NYE is pure white noise.

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Anyway, its because there's a strong bias against declaring (christian) right wing terror as terror.

This comment is in regards to an explicitly anti-Christian group.

I was referring to how islamic terrorism is treated.

It's treated as a bigger problem because it is the bigger problem.

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Anyway, its because there's a strong bias against declaring (christian) right wing terror as terror.

This comment is in regards to an explicitly anti-Christian group.

I was referring to how islamic terrorism is treated.

It's treated as a bigger problem because it is the bigger problem.

White terrorists kill more people than islamic terrorists by a pretty big margin.

That isn't true outside of your insular world of paranoia, resentment, and fear tho.

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Anyway, its because there's a strong bias against declaring (christian) right wing terror as terror.

This comment is in regards to an explicitly anti-Christian group.

I was referring to how islamic terrorism is treated.

It's treated as a bigger problem because it is the bigger problem.

White terrorists kill more people than islamic terrorists by a pretty big margin.

That isn't true outside of your insular world of paranoia, resentment, and fear tho.

Because its not like I literally linked to statistics or anything.

Vox is as good as a source as Fox. Try harder.

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I made an error there, but still, white terrorists don't kill as much because they're targeting vulnerable groups, whereas muslim terrorists kill more in one because they target those that aren't minorities too(and they know how to do this s**t). Also the fatality count of muslim terrorists is barely higher.

So killing vulnerable minorities is worse than killing large swathes of people in general? Ok.

Vox is as good as a source as Fox. Try harder.

lol. I don't see vox frothing about rabid conspiracy theory's.

OMFG

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I made an error there, but still, white terrorists don't kill as much because they're targeting vulnerable groups, whereas muslim terrorists kill more in one because they target those that aren't minorities too(and they know how to do this s**t). Also the fatality count of muslim terrorists is barely higher.

So killing vulnerable minorities is worse than killing large swathes of people in general? Ok.

Vox is as good as a source as Fox. Try harder.

lol. I don't see vox frothing about rabid conspiracy theory's.

OMFG

White terrorists don't kill as much because they're incapable, not because they are better somehow.

Yes. Which is exactly why white terrorism is not the bigger threat.

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Suffolk County, NY
St. Lucie County, FL
Kanawha County, WV

I bet Trump gets 90% of the vote in WV, or something ridiculous like that.  Over 80% is far from out of the question in WV.

I have WV ties and I beg to differ - he might not break 80%, but in the Trump era WV is the new Utah.

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Great pick on Trump’s part, he’s a fantastic selection.

He'll complete the conservative oligarchy take over of America.

Excellent news. You plebeians have had rights for too long.

Conservatism has always been about diminishing the rights of the poor and marginal and expanding the rights of the wealthy and powerful.  The only thing new with Kavanaugh is that the U.S will no longer be a real democracy where anything can effectively be done to fight against that.

Yes, one court appointment will turn America into an evil fascist dictatorship.
Ted Nugent and the WBC almost  sound sane in comparison to you.

It's the exact same as the boiling frog metaphor.  You've been brought along so that you haven't seen it happening. If you think these are normal times, you're insane.

You are the one that is insane.  Please go see a psychiatrist.  

"Hitler is a dangerous demagogue"
Reply "You're insane.  Please go see a psychiatrist."


https://theconversation.com/normalizing-fascists-69613

Unfortunately, that article describes how Hitler was normalized in the United States, and not in Germany, but it still shows the idea that Hitler was a dangerous demagogue was idiotically minimized.

LOL, comparing Trump to Hitler.  You're an idiot.  It's past your bedtime.

You posting this here is ironically a bad post in and of itself.

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To be quite honest, I think ICE is just doing it's job. They are enforcing the law. What do you dems want? For illegal immigrants to just get away without consequence?

1940: Just enforcing the law and doing my job

I find it incredibly strange that you would compare what is happening at the border to nazi germany. It really shows why the democratic party is losing voters. Way to be separated from reality.

Exactly. These aliens are the ones invading our country. If anything, the illegals are the Nazis and ICE are the heroic resistance partisans.

I love the new Beet!

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Domestic Policy: F

Economy: D+ (Can we please stop acting like it's normal to have a "jobless recovery" spanning most of a decade and admit that the Obama economy sucked?)
Trade: F (Really helped move swing voters by focusing on TPP though!)
Crime: C- (The homicide rate isn't any lower than it was 15 years ago, and increased during his second term.)
Immigration: F (One of those issues that most people stopped caring about because they had a president who made them feel good about themselves. Exposed DREAMers to Trump-era deportation because of executive overreach. Did nothing to resolve legal status of most migrants living in the United States.)
Race Relations: F (For the rank stupidity of the beer summit alone. Remember when he threw his pastor under the bus over an out-of-context quote, but liberals liked it because he also implied that his grandmother was a bit racist? Telling character moment.)
Environment: F (Spare us the prattling about "benchmarks." We're facing down a global catastrophe and he did virtually nothing to prepare us for it.)
Healthcare: F--

• "If you like your plan, you can keep it!"
• "Hillary Clinton's attacking, but what's she not telling you about her health care plan? It forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can't afford it, and you pay a penalty if you don't."
• "I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year."
• Great to leave office with the phrase "mid-life mortality crisis" in the headlines, isn't it?

Foreign Policy: F

Cuba: A- (A rare bright spot that Trump hasn't reversed - yet, at least.)
China: F ("The pivot!")
Iran: C+ (The nuclear deal was good, but died when he left office. Increased sanctions, not so much.)
North Korea: D- (Gradual deterioration?)
Russia: B (This one is on a curve. He wasn't trying to start a war with them or falling for obvious manipulation.)
Iraq: F- (Imagine telling yourself 10 years ago that we'd have 5,000 troops in that country today.)
Afghanistan: F (Imagine telling yourself 10 years ago that we'd have over 15,000 troops in that country today.)
Syria: F- (Oh God...)
Libya: F- (Oh God...)
Yemen: F- (Oh God...)

Overall: F

CC: The Good Post Gallery.

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As you have indicated, the vast majority of Confederate monuments were erected in the 1910's & 20's when Southern states were enacting Jim Crow laws.
There was also a significant, yet smaller spike in the 1950's & 60's during the Civil Rights movement.

See this graphic on this website (link below), showing the numbers and distribution of monuments over time. The article also points out that:
The chart illustrates upticks in the construction of Confederate monuments on courthouse grounds after the landmark Plessy v. Ferguson case in 1896 upheld state segregation laws. The construction of monuments outside of schools jumped after the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education ruling, in which the Supreme Court deemed state laws segregating public schools to be unconstitutional.

So you can drop your "leftists want to abolish place and history" shtick.
All the evidence above shows that Southerners weren't really concerned about "history" when erecting these monuments. But instead, it was about using them as symbols of hate and intimidation.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/718507/striking-graphic-reveals-construction-confederate-monuments-peaked-during-jim-crow-civil-rights-eras

Southern states started enacting Jim Crow laws in the late 19th century, though. Plus, as your graph indicates, the largest spike in public Confederate commemoration was already on the decline when the Klan was reformed in the 1910s. If anything, the strongest correlation is with the aging of Civil War veterans and the passage of the Civil War from people's living memory. Which makes perfect sense.

It "makes perfect sense" to Neo-Nazis, Klansmen and white supremacists.

It makes sense to the people whose forefathers bore the brunt of the most destructive war in the history of the United States.

It makes sense to the people whose forefathers' main purpose of fighting was to preserve the act of enslaving other human beings (for money). The fact that they (the South) "bore the brunt" of the American Civil War (versus the North) was both justified and a grace to all humanity.

The vast majority of monuments are depicting their leaders, and not the sheep the leaders employed (and fooled) to fight for them. Their leaders were intelligent (and rich) and knew exactly what their true cause was (and not "State's rights" bulls**t).

Muhhh the South is nothing but evil scum, HP!

How can something that is fundamentally true be ignorant or absurd? Lincoln being a garden variety Victorian age white supremacist doesn't mean he's not a FF still, nor does Lee fighting for the south dent his status as a FF. Let's face it, you're just butthurt that your alcoholic, stroke ravaged nominee was beat by a rookie and you're taking it out on the south.

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The Uncle Tom-ism is strong here.

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Fuzzy is right. Hillary losing wasn't just a reflection of her - it also was a statement about those who enthusiastically supported her. I'm specifically talking about the Democrats who voted for Hillary over Bernie in the primary.

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TM has said for a while that Carol Miller will win comfortably, possibly by double-digits. Trump is going to do a lot of campaigning and he's going to focus on states he is popular, he'll be making multiple trips to West Virginia and will help drag her across the finish line.

Not a bad post. Trump could fill up Mountaineer Stadium with one rally and sink Manchin IMO.