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« on: June 21, 2019, 01:43:15 PM »

This noise from certain people and the media is overhyped. All Uncle Joe was saying is that he got some stuff done even by working with the most deplorable people. He picked them as examples because of the stark contrast to him. He understands that on occasion you have to work with the other side to get stuff done. That's how FDR passed the New Deal and LBJ the Great Society. Reagan also reached out to Democrats and even respected Tip O'Neill as a person. The far left and far right will never get 100% of what they want and if so won't last beyond an election cycle.

The only comment he shouldn't have made it is the "boy" thing. But this is just Uncle Joe being Uncle Joe. He's nevertheless a very fine human being.
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2019, 12:14:07 PM »

He looks good.

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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2019, 11:03:29 AM »

Al Sharpton interviewed Biden: Joe Biden: Comments About Segregationists Taken Out Of Context; "They Didn't Print The Whole Deal"
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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2019, 12:53:29 PM »



This is huge for him. Seems as Democratic voters get it who will actually deliver rational solutions.
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2019, 12:33:13 PM »

It is becoming more and more evident that Hillary was a much stronger candidate than he would be.

No, because Joe Biden is actually authentic in the eyes of a lot of people. Hillary always had the stigma of being an out-of-touch, power greedy lady who would do everything to get elected. Joe Biden is more seen as the nice uncle from next door. He is not Hillary 2.0.
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2019, 12:45:30 PM »
« Edited: June 29, 2019, 12:49:13 PM by President Johnson »

It is becoming more and more evident that Hillary was a much stronger candidate than he would be.

No, because Joe Biden is actually authentic in the eyes of a lot of people. Hillary always had the stigma of being an out-of-touch, power greedy lady who would do everything to get elected. Joe Biden is more seen as the nice uncle from next door. He is not Hillary 2.0.
The man who had to drop out for plagiarizing a speech one time and dropped after getting 1 percent in Iowa the other is stronger than the woman who won the most primary votes both times she ran? K.

We're talking about the woman who lost an election to Donald Trump, who was less popular on election day than Barry Goldwater. This one shouldn't have been close but she took it for granted and campaigned in the wrong states.

I'm not saying Joe Biden would win if nominated, but he would stand a good chance to beat Trump (like most Democratic frontrunners).


It is becoming more and more evident that Hillary was a much stronger candidate than he would be.

No, because Joe Biden is actually authentic in the eyes of a lot of people. Hillary always had the stigma of being an out-of-touch, power greedy lady who would do everything to get elected. Joe Biden is more seen as the nice uncle from next door. He is not Hillary 2.0.

Richard Nixon was a known plastic, Gerald Ford was an honest guy you could go have beer and nachos with.

So tell me, which one has the record for winning four Presidential Elections on both sides of the ticket, only nipped once.

And which one nearly got axed in the primaries, then proceeded to lose to a one-term Governor in a state where that wasn't even that powerful a position?

 

Hardly a comparison. Ford ran under difficult cirumstances and came pretty close. He might have won if the campaign went on for one more week. And if he ran in 1980, he would have defeated Carter in a landslide. Also, Nixon won the races in 1968 and 1972 because the national environment favored him and his opponents were pretty weak.
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2019, 11:10:16 AM »



He looks like a president Purple heart
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2019, 12:32:46 PM »



He looks like a president Purple heart

We don't need another centrist sellout who looks the part.

Uncle Joe isn't a sellout. He's a pargamtist who can get stuff done. A staunch leftist won't pass meaningful reforms through congress. He or she would only be signing executive orders that will be blocked by courts and/or revoked by the next president. Also, the Democrats won the House in 2018 by winning over moderate suburbanites, which are important in 2020 as well. Bernie won't do as well here than Biden or Harris.
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2019, 01:57:39 PM »



He looks like a president Purple heart

We don't need another centrist sellout who looks the part.

Uncle Joe isn't a sellout. He's a pargamtist who can get stuff done. A staunch leftist won't pass meaningful reforms through congress. He or she would only be signing executive orders that will be blocked by courts and/or revoked by the next president. Also, the Democrats won the House in 2018 by winning over moderate suburbanites, which are important in 2020 as well. Bernie won't do as well here than Biden or Harris.

Biden isn't even a moderate anymore. He wants to give health insurance to undocumented immigrants. He supports $15 minimum wage. He dropped support for the Hyde amendment. If I want to vote for a leftwinger (and I don't particularly want to), I'd rather support Elizabeth Warren who actually understands the issues.

If you want a pragmatist, support Steve Bullock. He has a better record and he's 20 years younger than Biden too.

Steve Bullock used to be my first choice and I like him a lot, but unfortunately I don't see how he's making it. He better runs for senate because Democrats must defeat Cocaine Mitch. He's so toxic.
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2019, 01:24:24 PM »

looks like Biden's held his lead, though he lost a few points. Hopefully, he gets his sh**t together for the July debates.

This. He also needs to do much better on a debate stage with Trump.
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2019, 01:28:25 PM »

looks like Biden's held his lead, though he lost a few points. Hopefully, he gets his sh**t together for the July debates.

This. He also needs to do much better on a debate stage with Trump.

You seriously think Trump is going to agree to debate his opponent?

Yes, he likes being on TV. He proably feels "safer" now than in 2016 since he's been in office for over three years.
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2019, 05:18:45 AM »

He should of ran against Hillary,  but he chosed not to

Biden decided to forgo 2016 since he didn't want to run a difficult primary campaign. Now he thought it'll be a cakewalk for him, and that shows he's a dumbass.

He didn't run because of Beau's death. Totally understandable. I wish he ran in 2016 because I think he would have won, but I can totally understand why he didn't do last time. This man went through a lot of personal trageties and pain and yet he is doing all this to save us from Donald Trump. Seriously running for president takes a lot of guts and courage (for all the others as well). Uncle Joe's life story makes him authentic and human, even if you don't like this policies.
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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2019, 03:25:59 PM »

Going after Obama is silly. He's the most beloved figure within the Democratic Party (for a good reason).
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2019, 12:59:30 PM »

Joe Biden was on Morning Joe today. Purple heart



All the clips: https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe
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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2019, 03:57:19 PM »

Joe Biden was on Morning Joe today. Purple heart



All the clips: https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe

Oh my God, he’d be clobbered by Trump in a debate rhetorically. So many non-answers.

Wait, when did Donald Trump ever answer a question with substance? All he does is talking nonsense.
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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2019, 01:17:59 PM »


Anyway-- Biden really said "Go to Joe 30330" LOL.


A German newspaper commtended this with the phrase: "Grandpa is discovering the internet". Tongue Even as Biden supporter, I admit it was quite funny.
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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2019, 06:15:33 AM »

He's so right. Democrats should much more run on Barack Obama, who was the best president since 1969. Uncle Joe is the true inheritor for the Obama legacy, and he will build on it.

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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2019, 03:45:36 AM »

He's so right. Democrats should much more run on Barack Obama, who was the best president since 1969. Uncle Joe is the true inheritor for the Obama legacy, and he will build on it.



One black mark on Obama's political judgement was his backing of Hillary over Bernie and Uncle Joe in 2016. Hillary was a disaster, Bernie or Biden would have destroyed the Orange Clown.
A disaster that barely lost with a foreign adversary working to suppress voters inclined to support her and a GOP machine of right wing propaganda who had been working to drive down her negatives for a generation.

And I still believe Biden would have done worse than her.

It should tell you something that with of all Hillary’s perceived negatives, Obama still told Biden’s ass to stand down and to stay out of it.

Let's dispel the myth Biden would have been weaker than Hillary: His big advantage is his authenticity, something that Hillary lacks. I mean, this is obvious even if you like her (I supported her in both primary and general election). Biden didn't give paid Wall Street speeches, didn't have an E-Mail issue, Benghazi etc. His past voting record would have been less of subject than it is now. And him being a little touchy isn't a problem for voters either, especially when his opponent is accused of rape and on tape with sexist language. He would have beaten Trump with at least 278 electoral votes, keeping the three states that gave Trump the White House by a bare 77,000 votes. Uncle Joe would have gotten them and probably stronger African American turnout in North Carolina and Florida (whether he would have won them is another question).

The reason he didn't run is Beau's unfortunate death, not Obama pushing him aside. The president might not have endorsed him before the nomination was settled, but never ever would Barack Obama stab Uncle Joe in the back.
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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2019, 04:08:36 AM »
« Edited: August 17, 2019, 04:21:49 AM by President Johnson »

I like Stacey Abrams, but I think she should again run for governor in 2022. Joe Biden should pick Nanette Barragan, Val Demmings or Tammy Baldwin for the second spot, or if it's a man, Mayor Pete.
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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2019, 11:57:53 AM »

This happens to everyone from time to time, so no, he's not unfit to serve. He's the most qualified person to for the presidency.
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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2019, 02:20:20 PM »

Biden hasnt won anything, when Biden beats Buttigieg and Warren in IA, then we can talk. Buttigieg can win by .5 like Clinton or Warren. He isnt gonna win landslide

Except for multiple senate races (at 29 he ousted an incumbent senator of the president's party (Nixon), who just won reelection in a massive landslide) which were mostly landslides and two presidential elections as the vice presidential nominee. The only two consecutive elections since WWII in which the Democratic ticket received over 50% of the vote. That isn't nothing. And in 1988 and 2008, Biden didn't have the stature and ressources he has now. He wouldn't be the first president who ran unsuccessfully before.
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« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2019, 01:47:37 PM »


Was Obama senile because he said "all 57 states"?

It's just a slip, combined with the known fact Biden frequently talks before he thinks, and had been the same way when he was younger.

Thank you someone says this who is a not a Biden supporter.
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« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2019, 01:51:46 PM »

"There are good Republicans" is about that close to being the last straw.

He's not entirely wrong here. While Trump and Mitch are beyond pathetic, it's not that all Republicans are terrible. Joe Biden knows the system and knows that he will achieve more if he reaches out. If elected, I'm sure he can get stuff done with some Republican support on some, not all, issues like infrastructure, drug prices, cancer research and criminal justice. Gun control and healthcare are probably the toughest ones and a reason I disagree with him on the filibuster. If the Democrats win the senate, the filibuster needs to go.
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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2019, 02:02:34 PM »

"There are good Republicans" is about that close to being the last straw.

He's not entirely wrong here. While Trump and Mitch are beyond pathetic, it's not that all Republicans are terrible. Joe Biden knows the system and knows that he will achieve more if he reaches out. If elected, I'm sure he can get stuff done with some Republican support on some, not all, issues like infrastructure, drug prices, cancer research and criminal justice. Gun control and healthcare are probably the toughest ones and a reason I disagree with him on the filibuster. If the Democrats win the senate, the filibuster needs to go.

Obama reached out to the Republicans and they deprived him of his constitutional right of nomating a Supreme Court Justice. Why would that be any different with Biden?

A different personal style than his former boss, and I don't like to say this because it shouldn't matter: He's old white man. I'm not saying Republicans will fall in love with Uncle Joe or even come close, but I think he won't be as hated as Obama was. Unfortunately, behind the Obama blacklash was in some parts pure racism.
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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2019, 01:56:56 PM »

The Biden campaign today has released a new video. I find it pretty strong, though I may be biased.

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