NY: Trump on Trial!

[oldtimer]

"Trump won't be indicted" has gone to "the charges are weak". The fact that he showed up to court shows that this is more serious than some of you want to admit.

The common denominator here is Bragg.

A grand jury voted to indict. It wasn't solely up to the District Attorney.

As much as I'm enjoying Trump being charged today, I will just state for the record, I don't *really* care all that much about this case: Fulton County is the one that is going to matter the most in the end.

Fulton is twice as republican as Manhattan.

Remember a single Trump voter on the Jury would probably sink it just as an all Biden Jury would probably convict.

If they can't convict him in Manhattan I doubt they will get a Jury more favourable.

You're assuming that the juries will evaluate the case on politics and not the charges. Plus during the jury selection process there is thorough vetting for bias one way or another.

I'm practical.

It's a Celebrity trial, so of course they will probably evaluate the case on personal beliefs regardless of the evidence, like in most celebrity trials.

And even if you can get a Jury made up entirely out of Libertarian Party voters they will still be unable to unanimously agree, they will always be at least 1.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Former Attorney General Bill Barr

"A Pathetically Weak Case"

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6323962566112

You don't have to change the location of the trial. This case is weak.

Bill Barr said the Mar-a-Lago document saga is the more serious case.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1643349194332053507

Republicans: "Lying to the American public and using the corporation you unconstitutionally control to bribe the sex workers you cheated on your wife with (and then lying about that) isn't serious."

Also Republicans: "We are a very serious party, not a cult. Family values!"

[ProudModerate2]

"Trump won't be indicted" has gone to "the charges are weak". The fact that he showed up to court shows that this is more serious than some of you want to admit.

The common denominator here is Bragg.

No. The common denominator to crime and this (and future) indictment(s) is trump.

[Middle-aged Europe]

There's a chance that Alvin Bragg will reduce Donald Trump's sentence. Please impeach.

[emailking]

There's a chance that Alvin Bragg will reduce Donald Trump's sentence. Please impeach.

Huh?

[T'Chenka]

"Trump won't be indicted" has gone to "the charges are weak". The fact that he showed up to court shows that this is more serious than some of you want to admit.

Republicans never move the goalposts, and I'm offended that you would even suggest that.

[GoTfan]

Former Attorney General Bill Barr

"A Pathetically Weak Case"

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6323962566112

You don't have to change the location of the trial. This case is weak.

Bill Barr said the Mar-a-Lago document saga is the more serious case.

Yeah. Barr totally is 100% above board.

[Torie]

Well, another issue (yeah, it is like a law school exam, I wonder how Dule would do), is the issue of whether a state NYS statute of limitations on a state law can be extended based on the cover up involving a federal law. Should NYS be taking cognizance of “foreign” laws as to which it has no specific interest?  

https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/4/4/23648390/trump-indictment-supreme-court-stormy-daniels-manhattan-alvin-bragg

The issue is one of first impression in NYS.

And would Dule spot the SCOTUS “rule of lenity” issue? Yet another uber esoteric issue to
spot; f*uck, this exam is a bit*h.

“The Supreme Court has long held, under a doctrine known as the “rule of lenity,” that “fair warning should be given to the world, in language that the common world will understand, of what the law intends to do if a certain line is passed.” Thus, when the meaning of a criminal statute is unclear, the Constitution sometimes requires that statute to be read narrowly because an unclear criminal law did not give potential defendants “fair warning” that their conduct was illegal.”

After spotting the issue of course, the next hurdle is to weigh the merits. The “correct” answer of course is that the gravamen of the lenity rule arises from equitable principles, not legal ones (yes I know this is where we lose all the laypeople, bye folks), and there is no "fair notice" issue, because Trump’s escape hatch is the statute of limitations. Trump certainly had fair notice that if caught in 2 years as to his multiple frauds, he’s done.  So, Trump had fair notice that what he did was unlawful as and when he did it. And thus, the concealment.  Equity here if it exists is not on this planet, and probably nowhere in this universe.

In this case, what happens at the appellate level in NYS (the intermediate court, not the highest court, called the Court of Appeals in NYS), really matters. Given the politics, and a 3-3 court with a vacancy, the high state court taking the case and overturning it, would be very bad optics, on such a highly technical issue.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Former Attorney General Bill Barr

"A Pathetically Weak Case"

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6323962566112

You don't have to change the location of the trial. This case is weak.

Bill Barr said the Mar-a-Lago document saga is the more serious case.

Yeah. Barr totally is 100% above board.

Barr abused his office to shut down what would have been a federal investigation into the same conduct Bragg is now charging Donald for. Just to be clear.

[BG-NY]

The third world is laughing at us:

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1643343155574767617

[DrScholl]

The third world is laughing at us:

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1643343155574767617

The problem is that when this is done in other countries it often is done as an outright political move with overcharging and immediate detention.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

The third world is laughing at us:

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1643343155574767617

I don't take the Bitcoin dictator's pronouncements on what is or isn't democratic very seriously, sorry to say.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Trump Whining Live About Indictment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAuqEKfjeMo

He sounds bitter.

[ProudModerate2]

Is anyone listening to the Orange Buffoonery coming out of this Clown right now?
It's about Hunter Biden, and other BS.
"Millions of votes were stuffed in ballot boxes" according to this Idiot.
Just wow.

[emailking]

Well, another issue (yeah, it is like a law school exam, I wonder how Dule would do), is the issue of whether a state NYS statute of limitations on a state law can be extended based on the cover up involving a federal law. Should NYS be taking cognizance of “foreign” laws as to which it has no specific interest?  

But I thought he said it was a violation of state election law so not sure that matters.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

Is anyone listening to the Orange Buffoonery coming out of this Clown right now?
It's about Hunter Biden, and other BS.
"Millions of votes were stuffed in ballot boxes" according to this Idiot.
Just wow.

My local NBC station had it on for probably not even five minutes and then went back to regular programming, which seems fair

[Ferguson97]

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1643415687396831236

You cannot support this clown and be a good person.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1643415687396831236

You cannot support this clown and be a good person.

Judge Merchan was stupid for not instituting a gag order (even though Trump most likely would have ignored it).

[Damocles]

You cannot support this clown and be a good person.

But you can certainly enjoy the schadenfreude.

[All Along The Watchtower]

OK, seriousposting time.

Since the 2016 campaign, all kinds of people have raised expectations regarding Trump's imminent demise as a political force, a President, a free man, etc. Whether they be the lamestream media, Democratic (and a few Republican) politicians, prosecutors, intelligence officials, and all manner of other “pundits” both professional and armchair offering their ongoing Twitter and Cable TV commentary on Trump’s controversies, there've been a lot of people with large audiences and influential platforms promising that career criminal, fascist-curious, unprecedented internal menace to American democracy Donald John Trump, Sr. is "about to face real consequences." Whether it came from the SDNY, FBI, impeachment, the military, or the vaunted "adults in the room" during the Trump Presidency, there were a lot of people making promises that someone, somewhere, would Stop Him.

All of the above has backfired. It has benefited Trump politically (and by extension, financially), played into his and his supporters' persecution complex about the Lyin' Media/Deep State being "out to get them", made his opponents look impotent, silly, and tiresome, and created staying power for Trump that he may very well not have otherwise had----at least, not as a political force post-Presidency.

Trump still should face serious criminal consequences for January 6th. For Christ's sake, he and his supporters wanted to hang his own Vice President, along with the Speaker of the House and every other Democrat and "RINO" in Congress! This is a man who should have been indicted two years ago!

[GeorgiaModerate]

Is anyone listening to the Orange Buffoonery coming out of this Clown right now?
It's about Hunter Biden, and other BS.
"Millions of votes were stuffed in ballot boxes" according to this Idiot.
Just wow.

Where else would you put the votes?

[LBJer]

This has been nothing short of a catastrophe.

Evidence?

[Meclazine for Israel]

Trump Indictment Theme Song

When You Get Caught Breaking The Law In New York City

https://fb.watch/jIxF6xER9n/

[Pres Mike]

Well, this ended very anti-climatically. No perp walk in handcuffs. No mug shot. Immeditatly released. Trial is probably a year away at minimum. Which Trump will probably win or get off with a fine/community service. Very few people go to jail for lying on taxes or busieness documents. Especially the rich. And for things much worst.

Fulton and DOJ are better chances to ruin his career and jail time. But I suspect that'll never happen. If anything, it'll boost sympathcy turnout for MAGA and win over some surbuban republcians who might not like Trump but view this whole case as a sham.

But I've been wrong in this very thread. Who knows...