PA-SN 2022 megathread: Shrek vs. The Wizard of Oz

[Morning in Atlas]

Clearly somebody heard the criticisms. Conor Lamb joined all but two Democrats (Sawx's favorite reps, Cuellar and Pappas) in voting for the MORE Act.

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2022107

Now if only he would run on federally legalizing weed! But this is a good step for him. I don't care his motivations, if he's willing to vote for legislation that helps people, then good for him.

Yeah, I think we crossposted that. Credit where credit is due - while I am still a bit cynical I'm not going to argue with reality here.

As for Pappas, I was willing to give him a second chance. The clown is clearly bought off by the police lobby (if you read between the lines) and got told no. Suffice to say this was not what I voted for when I voted for him in 2018 and 2020.

We are watching him. We will remember him. And come November, we will replace him.

[Morning in Atlas]

Clearly somebody heard the criticisms. Conor Lamb joined all but two Democrats (Sawx's favorite reps, Cuellar and Pappas) in voting for the MORE Act.

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2022107

Now if only he would run on federally legalizing weed! But this is a good step for him. I don't care his motivations, if he's willing to vote for legislation that helps people, then good for him.

Yeah, I think we crossposted that. Credit where credit is due - while I am still a bit cynical I'm not going to argue with reality here.

As for Pappas, I was willing to give him a second chance. The clown is clearly bought off by the police lobby (if you read between the lines) and got told no. Suffice to say this was not what I voted for when I voted for him in 2018 and 2020.

We are watching him. We will remember him. And come November, we will replace him.

No offense or anything, but who is we?  Most people aren’t single-issue legalize marijuana voters and if Pappas loses, it’ll be b/c he was a strong incumbent who got swept out in a Republican wave and was from a state that tends to be hit pretty hard by wave elections for either party as a general rule.

Marianette Miller-Meeks only won by six votes.

[Morning in Atlas]

Well, at least he's decided to drop bullsh*tting the good people of my former state.

What do you think of Lamb's recent shift in direction? Of this attack? What does this say about his prospects and the state of the race?

All sh*tposting aside, it was bound to happen eventually and it'll be a potent attack. I wouldn't call it desperate because it has punch. We are in the Democratic primary after all, and pulling a gun on an unarmed black man is a bad look for a Democrat to say the least. I'm probably the biggest Fetterman hack on here and I can admit that it was stupid, reckless, and unconscionable. I personally think he's changed, but I can't really knock anyone who thinks this is disqualifying.

I think it's an acknowledgement from the Lamb campaign that he's down in the polls, but the desperation is in the fine print. Even in his original statement, he talked about him skipping a meeting like he wasn't presiding over the Senate. I think that part shows more of Lamb's desperation - which we've seen from him arguing with journalists on Twitter and red-baiting.

[Morning in Atlas]

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1510710867817639938

My apologies to the Lamb camp on here. It turns out that Lamb is indeed, not a Manchincrat or Sinemacrat like I've been sperging out about here for months.

It turns out he's a Republican

https://twitter.com/ConorLambPA/status/1457553657898184705

[Morning in Atlas]

It won't matter he is at same levels of support as Keynetta 10 percent I don't know why Sawx keeps putting up Lamb attack ads Lambs needs Keynetta to move up both Lamb and Keynetta have moved down

To rub it in to the Lamb contingent's faces that I was right about him.

[Morning in Atlas]

Is Lamb really using "didn't help with infrastructure" as a line of attack? Fetterman's a state LG, how is he supposed to help pass a federal infrastructure bill? Just lazy and dumb, Lamb is such a clown.

He's also using "didn't help with student debt" as a line of attack.

Just absolutely down bad behavior from Lamb. I can't believe this is the candidate that flipped a ruby-red seat in 2018.

[Morning in Atlas]

Has Lamb shifted to right since entering congress in 2018? I feel like opinion of him was fairly positive in 2018 in the aftermath of that special election. If I remember correctly, he was even mentioned as senate, gov or VP material. Now seems like nobody really likes him.

Most of that was from him winning something like a r+11 rural district. We didn't have any business winning that seat. Guy was unquestionably running on Manchinism at the time but nobody really cared because he was the best we could get. We didn't necessarily care that he was running as a deficit hawk who was against a $15 minimum wage. Conor Lamb won a seat in Pennsyltucky.

Even as he's moved to the record of a more standard moderate Dem, people are less open to him because there are two more progressive options in the race. There's also the dynamic of the GA special, where Dems made their major Senate pickups (the first black Dem to win the state since Reconstruction!) on unapologetically progressive policy. The more high-info voters who saw this, contrasted with Sinema and the DSCC's abject failure for their endorsed candidates to win, have determined that we don't need to sacrifice the agenda for power.

[Morning in Atlas]

How was GA Special “unapologetically progressive”?
Both ran on platforms similar to Biden, maybe a very slight bit to the left, but would someone reasonably call that “unapologetically progressive”?

and warnock and ossoff ran on a progressive platform, especially on economics. i'm obviously not gonna say warnock and ossoff are like fetterman or bernie but they didn't run from stuff like BBB or stimulus checks. i've made it pretty clear that i care more about policy than party or loyalty to candidates i like.

as someone who likes that kind of stuff was a refreshing change from "take two triangulations and a flipflop and call me in the morning".

Has Lamb shifted to right since entering congress in 2018? I feel like opinion of him was fairly positive in 2018 in the aftermath of that special election. If I remember correctly, he was even mentioned as senate, gov or VP material. Now seems like nobody really likes him.

I wouldn't say "nobody", but we're once again seeing the far left/progressives do this. This is 2016 all over again. Fetterman is Bernie and Conor is Hillary.

Look, I'll support whoever the nominee is. If it's Conor, great. If it's Fetterman, great. If it's somehow Kenyatta, great. But the way the purity tests keep charging through and we keep doing this BS hate spewing when we're all on the same side is ridiculous.

People here just "don't like" Lamb now because he dared go up against liberal hero John Fetterman. It's all getting exhausting. People sitting here trying to attack Lamb as if Fetterman is perfect (News flash - neither are).

major bushie vibes from this statement

as the premier anti-lamb voice here, i've made it pretty clear from my posts that i don't fit the narrative you're peddling. forgive me if i don't trust the guy who just called spending on social programs socialism to be loyal to the cause.

[Morning in Atlas]

Paul Hodes was a strange bird. He actually did try and make a comeback last year for state senate and lost in the primary.

[Morning in Atlas]

Never underestimate a politician's ego.

[Morning in Atlas]

Let's see how Big Pharma's favorite failson is doing!

https://twitter.com/DKElections/status/1511474110894944261

Oh.

The corporate bootlickers know they can't land a hit on Big John so they've resorted to blatantly making sh*t up. Lambchin must condemn!

[Morning in Atlas]

Truly amazing stuff folks. The Democrat establishment does a full court press to stop Fetterman, and instead of getting behind the hard-working, gay black progressive grinder, they try to coronate the whitest, most unseasoned chicken ass politician since Kasich.

This is why the Democrat Party establishment is out of touch with its voters.

[Morning in Atlas]

Anyone who hears Conor Lamb speak and doesn't immediately assume it's a pack of lies, I don't know what to tell you.

[Morning in Atlas]

Truly amazing stuff folks. The Democrat establishment does a full court press to stop Fetterman, and instead of getting behind the hard-working, gay black progressive grinder, they try to coronate the whitest, most unseasoned chicken ass politician since Kasich.

This is why the Democrat Party establishment is out of touch with its voters.

JFC, just stop already. This is getting exhausting and making this thread toxic.

I literally could give two sh** what any Lamb supporter is saying. This is a primary, words will be slung from all opponents.

[Morning in Atlas]

Lol you guys are arguing about which guy will lose by 2% to the Republican candidate.

Well, Lamb will lose by 10% at this rate.

[Morning in Atlas]

Truly amazing stuff folks. The Democrat establishment does a full court press to stop Fetterman, and instead of getting behind the hard-working, gay black progressive grinder, they try to coronate the whitest, most unseasoned chicken ass politician since Kasich.

This is why the Democrat Party establishment is out of touch with its voters.

JFC, just stop already. This is getting exhausting and making this thread toxic.

I literally could give two sh** what any Lamb supporter is saying. This is a primary, words will be slung from all opponents.

Pretty sure I never said who I was voting for in the primary and said I would support any of them in the general, which is more than what you have vowed.

Anyone hear a wind? It's whooshing at 78 mph.

[Morning in Atlas]

https://twitter.com/the_vello/status/1511833345025523713

Glad to have Elizabeth on board.

We've decided to take Lamb's protege and #1 supporter in the Senate's advice. We'll elect real Democrats and stand against the fake ones at every turn.

[Morning in Atlas]

This is why Dems will lose. Because of nonsense purity tests when people don't get their way. 2016 all over again.

You made the argument against your own position better than I could, so I just borrowed your own words. You know, the post you yourself made when Lamb and Friends were lying about Fetterman being a socialist. Or is it only "just a primary bro" when it's candidates you like doing the nastiness?

Let's be real. wbrocks doesn't want unity or a clean race. He wants silence.

[Morning in Atlas]

Truly amazing stuff folks. The Democrat establishment does a full court press to stop Fetterman, and instead of getting behind the hard-working, gay black progressive grinder, they try to coronate the whitest, most unseasoned chicken ass politician since Kasich.

This is why the Democrat Party establishment is out of touch with its voters.

This could just as easily be spun the other way:

Truly amazing stuff folks.  The Berniecrat wing does a full court press to stop Lamb, and instead of getting behind the young, hard-working, gay black progressive, they try to coronate a completely untested white guy who chased around an unarmed African-American with a shotgun and has been running one of the laziest campaigns in recent memory.

This is why the Berniecrat establishment is out of touch Democratic voters.

The difference here is that your candidate is struggling to break away from that young, hard-working gay black progressive.

[Morning in Atlas]

Wait I just realized that you don't even like in PA, correct? So you're not even voting here?

Used to. Have friends and family in PA. Voted for Fetterman in 2016 and he's probably the single politician I align with the most.

This is why Dems will lose. Because of nonsense purity tests when people don't get their way. 2016 all over again.

You made the argument against your own position better than I could, so I just borrowed your own words. You know, the post you yourself made when Lamb and Friends were lying about Fetterman being a socialist. Or is it only "just a primary bro" when it's candidates you like doing the nastiness?

Let's be real. wbrocks doesn't want unity or a clean race. He wants silence.

You're insanely putting words in my mouth now. I said I would vote for whoever the nominee is in November, how is that not unity? YOU are literally the one who has not said if you would do the same, which leads me to believe you really don't care about your own priorities in this race since you'd rather let an R win then.

Again, forgive me if I don't trust the guy who just called massive spending on government programs "socialism" to support things like Build Back Better when it comes up again. Forgive me if I don't trust the guy being bankrolled by Big Pharma to support a public option. Especially after seeing my Congressclowns over here sell us out for a few thousand dollars in donations.

I've made my stances on whether I'd vote for Lamb in the general very clear. It's the answer you expect - I consider policy much more than party affiliation and I'm tired of voting for sh*tty "Democrats" who vote like Republicans and use fear to dodge accountability. I won't even vote for my own Congressclowns because of marijuana and minimum wage reform!

Even then, party unity is much deeper than that. There's a clear difference between, say, highlighting the black jogger story and calling Fetterman a "self-described socialist". One is a hard-hitting truth. The other is a blatant lie that feeds into GOP attacks. If Malcolm Kenyatta can run a hard-hitting campaign against Fetterman without making things up, Lamb can too.

[Morning in Atlas]

This from the guy who is always calling the Democratic establishment “Blue MAGA” and claiming it would rather let Republicans win than back someone from another wing of the party

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That wing of the party is losing influence, but it's still there (see: Buffalo mayor). There's still a part of the party that views people like me as equal threats to the party. And in some cases, outright prefer corporatism to populism.

So yes. I feel pretty comfortable calling the party machine that looks at a candidate who is teaming up with the pharmaceutical lobby and says "Damn, I want me some of that" Blue MAGA. I don't want any sellouts, Democrat or Republican, in power.

If that makes me a purist or a zealot, I welcome it.

Truly amazing stuff folks. The Democrat establishment does a full court press to stop Fetterman, and instead of getting behind the hard-working, gay black progressive grinder, they try to coronate the whitest, most unseasoned chicken ass politician since Kasich.

This is why the Democrat Party establishment is out of touch with its voters.

This could just as easily be spun the other way:

Truly amazing stuff folks.  The Berniecrat wing does a full court press to stop Lamb, and instead of getting behind the young, hard-working, gay black progressive, they try to coronate a completely untested white guy who chased around an unarmed African-American with a shotgun and has been running one of the laziest campaigns in recent memory.

This is why the Berniecrat establishment is out of touch Democratic voters.

The difference here is that your candidate is struggling to break away from that young, hard-working gay black progressive.

“Your candidate”   I’ve been extremely consistent about the fact that I’d far prefer Kenyatta to Lamb.  However, Lamb has a better chance of saving us from the dumpster fire that is Fetterman’s candidacy.  And I would’ve far preferred Cartwright to any of the three. 

Also, Lamb has had far better fundraising, institutional support, etc than Kenyatta.  IIRC most polling has shown Lamb well ahead of Kenyatta who remains stuck in mid-to-low single digits.  You’re objectively wrong about this.

Finally, even if your deflection were true, my point would still stand.  You can stick your head in the sand if you want, but your initial post wasn’t the winning line of attack you seem to think it is and is just as easy to apply to Fetterman supporters. 

I would argue that Lamb has largely ridden his coattails from the 2018 campaign. He underperformed Biden in 2020 in a district that was tailor-made for him. Ceteris paribus, he would barely be treading water.

[Morning in Atlas]

You have a choice between a sigma male and a Cigna male. Choose wisely.

[Morning in Atlas]

https://twitter.com/the_vello/status/1513587096644210689

The Copium Tour continues!

Time to move this race to Safe R?
https://twitter.com/medriva/status/1513579838342377473?s=21

No surprise that the failing Philadelphia machine, which tried to coronate Cigna Conor over Malcolm Kenyatta, is virtue signaling about COVID at the expense of the ticket. They can't even rig a race right!

[Morning in Atlas]

My king is alive.

[Morning in Atlas]

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1517300987026935810

OH NO NO NO

OHHHHHH NO NO NO NO