Spanish elections and politics

[Zanas]

For the Senate : "Each voter may mark up to three candidates' names, from any party. This is the only occasion when Spanish voters vote for individuals rather than a party list. Panachage is allowed, but typically voters cast all three votes for candidates of a single party. As a result, the four Senators are usually the three candidates from the most popular party and the first placed candidate from the next most popular."

Four senators are elected for each province, regardless of population.

[jaichind]

PSOE+Podemos 160 (42.71%) PP-C 162 (42.57%)

It is interesting how close the vote shares are as well.

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Well, if we follow from the elections in May, C's are more likely to support PP governments' and C's agenda (heavy income and corporate tax cuts; municipal reduction; Austrian labour laws etc.) would be very hard to implement with PSOE and PODEMOS as partners ...

[Zanas]

I still think PSOE and Podemos could gather enough support with Catalan (and Basque ?) nationalists to form government on promises of referendum(s). It's the only shot at an absolute majority, anyway. I don't think PSOE+Podemos+C's is manageable.

[jaichind]

PSOE+Podemos 160 (42.71%) PP-C 162 (42.57%)

It is interesting how close the vote shares are as well.

Again, it doesn't work like that though. I thought the whole point of these elections was the end of bipartisanship. TVE are just stuck in their paradigm.

Can I also have a source where Rivera states PP is his preferred coalition partner.

Well, lets accept that it is much more likely Podemos will ally with PSOE and it is much more likely that C will ally with PP.  I am not saying it is destined to take place.

[jaichind]

PSOE+Podemos 161 (42.68%) PP-C 161 (42.62%)

[Donnie]

With 97.33 % counted:

PSOE+Podemos 161 seats (42.67%)        PP+C's 161 seats (42.62%)

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I bet KIng Felipe is dreading the next two months ...

[jaichind]

PP deputy PM Soraya Saenz de Santamaria said that PP "has won election."  I guess this is part of the jockeying for position in the battle of government formation.

[Zanas]

Izquierda Unida gets slaughtered, even with their last minute rebranding as Unidad Popular : they don't get any deputy in either Andalucía or Asturias for example, just 2 seats in the seat-rich Madrid. That's brutal, but they had already survived that in 2008 to come back in 2011. With the uprising of Podemos, however, a come-back should prove waaaay harder.

[jaichind]

Back to PSOE+Podemos 160  PP-C 162

[RodPresident]

Back to PSOE+Podemos 160  PP-C 162

You should put Unidad Popular with left-wing bloc.
Kingmakers will be Catalonian separatists.

[jaichind]

Back to PSOE+Podemos 160  PP-C 162

You should put Unidad Popular with left-wing bloc.
Kingmakers will be Catalonian separatists.

Would Podemos and  Unidad Popular accept being in the same ruling coalition ?

[Zanas]

Back to PSOE+Podemos 160  PP-C 162

You should put Unidad Popular with left-wing bloc.
Kingmakers will be Catalonian separatists.

Would Podemos and  Unidad Popular accept being in the same ruling coalition ?

Yeah, that one shouldn't really be a problem. Of course, we would only be talking of support anyway.

[Zinneke]

PSOE+Podemos 160 (42.71%) PP-C 162 (42.57%)

It is interesting how close the vote shares are as well.

Again, it doesn't work like that though. I thought the whole point of these elections was the end of bipartisanship. TVE are just stuck in their paradigm.

Can I also have a source where Rivera states PP is his preferred coalition partner.

Well, lets accept that it is much more likely Podemos will ally with PSOE and it is much more likely that C will ally with PP.  I am not saying it is destined to take place.

No, it really isn't though, unless you follow TVE, who are still stuck in bipartisan logic.

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What are the Basques Nationalists main aims? I find it very odd how quiet the Basque areas have been irt the looming breakup of the Spanish state...

[Zinneke]

What are the Basques Nationalists main aims? I find it very odd how quiet the Basque areas have been irt the looming breakup of the Spanish state...

They already fulfilled them, largely thanks to the ETA. The PNV would like a federal system that allows them to represent Basque interests only in national politics. Bildu want a socialist (or non-neoliberal) state in the same way CC and Esquerra Republicana.

As long as they keep their extra national politics, administration and policing they will be happy though.

[jaichind]

How hard-line will PP and C be about not doing deals with nationalists forces?  Did not a PP administration with support from nationalists come to power after the 1996 elections ?

[Velasco]

I still think PSOE and Podemos could gather enough support with Catalan (and Basque ?) nationalists to form government on promises of referendum(s). It's the only shot at an absolute majority, anyway. I don't think PSOE+Podemos+C's is manageable.

No. I don't see Pedro Sánchez leading a very weak government propped up by Catalan separatists on the promise of a referendum in Catalonia . That would tear PSOE apart  and  Andalusian premier Susana Díaz  would never allow such a move .

Right now, I can hardly see a way to prevent another election within a few months.

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What are the Basques Nationalists main aims? I find it very odd how quiet the Basque areas have been irt the looming breakup of the Spanish state...

They already fulfilled them, largely thanks to the ETA. The PNV would like a federal system that allows them to represent Basque interests only in national politics. Bildu want a socialist (or non-neoliberal) state in the same way CC and Esquerra Republicana.

As long as they keep their extra national politics, administration and policing they will be happy though.

But weren't CiU non-separatist until the economic crash? Could PNV be radiclaised by am Artur Mas like figure?

Are Coalico Compromis separatists? They are on a list with PODEMOS, so I assumed they were more soft nationalists.

[Donnie]

With 99.43% counted:

PP+C's 163 seats (42.64%)         PSOE+Podemos 159 seats (42.67%)    

[Velasco]

They already fulfilled them, largely thanks to the ETA.

WTF !!!

[Zinneke]

With 99.43% counted:

PP+C's 163 seats (42.64%)         PSOE+Podemos 159 seats (42.67%)    

If these groupings are posted one more time I am going to break the keyboard...

Here are all the other possibilities that are actually more probable than these pre-set alliances you've taken from TVE...

• We head for new elections
• PP-PSOE
• Podemos-Ciu-PSOE

They already fulfilled them, largely thanks to the ETA.

WTF !!!

Similar situation to Northern Ireland. You have terrorists on your doorstep that you do not want, just find a solution that involves devolution. The violence dies down, and the problem is half-solved.

[Velasco]

Please don't try to build theories on subjects you ignore.

[Nanwe]

All in all, it's been a weird night. Turnout far lower than expected (73 vs. 77-80), "great" night for the PSOE and Podemos (even if bitter-sweet for both)l, C's really underperformed although they were also quite hurt by the electoral system and I suppose this last week when they lost a lot of momentum did not help and resulted in potential voters sating home (?). The party got 14%, which is far lower than expected by, anyone since, idk, March or so?

The creation of a government is going to be tough. Hopefully grand coalition that manages to implement constitutional, institutional and electoral reforms. Also, a consensus on education would be neat. That's my wish list

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Putting some things in perspective: