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« Reply #1150 on: October 16, 2023, 04:46:24 PM »

This basically looks like a heatmap of the polish community
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« Reply #1151 on: October 16, 2023, 05:26:26 PM »

After losing his seat to a woman within his party list, the internet's favorite crazy uncle, Janusz Korwin-Mikke says women should not have the right to vote lol.
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« Reply #1152 on: October 16, 2023, 05:27:33 PM »

After losing his seat to a woman within his party list, internet's favorite crazy uncle, Janusz Korwin-Mikke says women should not have the right to vote lol.


I still remember the pic of him holding a femboy at some anime convention
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« Reply #1153 on: October 16, 2023, 05:27:48 PM »

After losing his seat to a woman within his party list, internet's favorite crazy uncle, Janusz Korwin-Mikke says women should not have the right to vote lol.


W... why all the swords? Who is this man.
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« Reply #1154 on: October 16, 2023, 05:28:21 PM »

After losing his seat to a woman within his party list, internet's favorite crazy uncle, Janusz Korwin-Mikke says women should not have the right to vote lol.


W... why all the swords? Who is this man.
Where to even begin......
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« Reply #1155 on: October 16, 2023, 05:30:25 PM »

After losing his seat to a woman within his party list, internet's favorite crazy uncle, Janusz Korwin-Mikke says women should not have the right to vote lol.


I still remember the pic of him holding a femboy at some anime convention

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« Reply #1156 on: October 16, 2023, 05:53:02 PM »

The Chicago Metro Area is the main reason PiS was the winner here in the United States. In 14 polling states, the only lost 2 and they only failed to get a majority in a total of 4. In some polling places they got over 70% of the vote!

So the same constituency that votes 70% Democratic in US election votes 70% for the Polish GOP. Ideological splits.

It makes no sense at all to map American politics onto the politics of a country where both major parties are right-wing.

Though just because the *constituency* might be 70% Dem, doesn't mean that the *Poles within the constituency* are among that 70%.  Keep that in mind.
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« Reply #1157 on: October 16, 2023, 06:05:07 PM »

and there it is. PiS 35.55, KO 30.55.
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« Reply #1158 on: October 16, 2023, 06:13:14 PM »

Great news from Poland, this is an important step for this great country and the EU to have a bright future.
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« Reply #1159 on: October 16, 2023, 06:17:33 PM »

so why did Lewica do so bad compared to 2019? Voters coalescing behind KO to try and kick PiS out better?

Exit polls provided data that generally yes - more than 1/4 of previous electorate voted for PO. But we must also remember that in 2019 leader of PO was Grzegorz Schetyna. PO is now a little bit more liberal in terms of topics like abortion etc. - and we must remember that Left electorate is left wing only in terms of such issues, not really economically - so for them switching to the PO is not really that difficult. Other thing is turnout - more voters, but those new voters were not really charmed by the Left.
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« Reply #1160 on: October 16, 2023, 06:42:51 PM »

This basically looks like a heatmap of the polish community
PA is the exception.
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« Reply #1161 on: October 16, 2023, 06:48:51 PM »

so why did Lewica do so bad compared to 2019? Voters coalescing behind KO to try and kick PiS out better?

Exit polls provided data that generally yes - more than 1/4 of previous electorate voted for PO. But we must also remember that in 2019 leader of PO was Grzegorz Schetyna. PO is now a little bit more liberal in terms of topics like abortion etc. - and we must remember that Left electorate is left wing only in terms of such issues, not really economically - so for them switching to the PO is not really that difficult. Other thing is turnout - more voters, but those new voters were not really charmed by the Left.

Something else we should perhaps consider is the surge for TD/Third Way/2050 in cities. They previously had mostly the Rural/Agrarian base of PSL in 2019. The new ticket being a partnership with Hołownia and his Green approach provides the urban "activist" type an alternative ticket to just Lewica.
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« Reply #1162 on: October 16, 2023, 07:32:37 PM »

99.72% reporting (+/- compared to 98.72% in)

PiS: 35.52% (-0.24%)
KO: 30.59% (+0.23%)
TD: 14.42% (-0.01%)
Lewica: 8.57% (+0.04%)
Kon: 7.15% (+/- 0.00%)
BS: 1.86% (-0.01%)
PJJ: 1.63% (+/- 0.00%)
MN: 0.12% (+/- 0.00%)
Others: 0.15% (+/- 0.00%)

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« Reply #1163 on: October 16, 2023, 07:51:33 PM »

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« Reply #1164 on: October 16, 2023, 08:09:44 PM »


He has almost twice as many votes as party leader Włodzimierz Czarzasty, who carpetbagged to that constituency. Constituency no. 32 is problably the most leftist one in Poland, so Left won 2 seats, but there was chance that leader of Left would not win reelection.
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« Reply #1165 on: October 16, 2023, 08:19:24 PM »


He has almost twice as many votes as party leader Włodzimierz Czarzasty, who carpetbagged to that constituency. Constituency no. 32 is problably the most leftist one in Poland, so Left won 2 seats, but there was chance that leader of Left would not win reelection.

TFW you get put at the bottom of your party's list and get more votes than the guy at the top.
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« Reply #1166 on: October 16, 2023, 09:58:42 PM »

It's actually looking like the gap will be 4.75% or so, it's been a KO rout the last 0.1% which has made the margin go from 4.93 to 4.81
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« Reply #1167 on: October 16, 2023, 10:42:39 PM »

There will probably be plenty detailed maps that will come out soon, but here's just  quick rough one of the Opposition/Liberal/Reformist 3-Party coalition compared to PiS and their intended partner of Konfederacja, if the two got a majority. There remain 35 precincts not yet tabulated, so the overall margin may widen. But the map shouldn't change cause they are either from abroad or from around Warsaw.



When looking at the results from just this two-block perspective, it is a margin close to 56-44 when removing the minor parties. That's fairly massive, but it is only really translated into the Senate landslide where the three tickets actually all are one. In the Sejm, divisions, wasted votes, and D'Hondt allocations make things a lot tighter than the topline.



And here's just a straight map of the Sejm constituencies won by the PO ticket and PiS.

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« Reply #1168 on: October 16, 2023, 10:48:45 PM »

That's actually a pretty strong victory. And I do love how you can always see Imperial Germany on Polish election maps.
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« Reply #1169 on: October 16, 2023, 10:49:51 PM »

the fact the government website has results going down like 3 levels of administrative divisions is really great. Definitely looking forward to the maps there (including seeing if any bottom-level divisions voted for the smaller parties, I remember looking in Opole and found one that voted for MN, but they're obviously more concentrated)
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« Reply #1170 on: October 16, 2023, 10:50:22 PM »

That's actually a pretty strong victory. And I do love how you can always see Imperial Germany on Polish election maps.

I almost said something about that the other day, lol.
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« Reply #1171 on: October 17, 2023, 01:19:14 AM »


Lovely maps, thanks. Have you a list of the the closest seats? There were quite a few nailbiters decided by <1000 votes in the Senate.
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« Reply #1172 on: October 17, 2023, 01:42:40 AM »

9 polling stations left.

2 in Warsaw
1 in Constituency 20 (surrounding Warsaw)

6 abroad
 2 in the UK
 1 in France
 3 in Germany
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« Reply #1173 on: October 17, 2023, 01:43:57 AM »

99.97% reporting (+/- compared to 99.72% in)

PiS: 35.39% (-0.13%)
KO: 30.69% (+0.10%)
TD: 14.40% (-0.02%)
Lewica: 8.61% (+0.04%)
Kon: 7.16% (+0.01%)
BS: 1.86% (+/- 0.00%)
PJJ: 1.63% (+/- 0.00%)
MN: 0.12% (+/- 0.00%)
Others: 0.15% (+/- 0.00%)
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« Reply #1174 on: October 17, 2023, 02:18:16 AM »

It wasn't even close lol
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