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Question: Who would you vote for? 🇸🇰🗳️
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🌹Smer
 
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🟦PS
 
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💬Hlas
 
#4
🌫️Slovensko
 
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✝️KDH
 
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🟩SaS
 
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🦅SNS
 
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🟫Republika
 
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🍀Szövetség
 
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🟪Demokrati
 
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🤲Sme rodina
 
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❌Other
 
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« Reply #975 on: April 07, 2024, 04:15:03 AM »

Is there a particular reason for the massive surge in turnout? Have Slovak politics polarized a lot following the political crises of the 2020s, or is there something specific to the candidates that drew people to the polls?
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« Reply #976 on: April 07, 2024, 10:12:36 AM »

Meanwhile in America


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« Reply #977 on: April 07, 2024, 10:12:47 AM »

Is there a particular reason for the massive surge in turnout? Have Slovak politics polarized a lot following the political crises of the 2020s, or is there something specific to the candidates that drew people to the polls?

It's polarization. The Kuciak murder boosted opposition turnout and demotivated Smer voters in 2019, especially in the runoff. Same thing happened in 2020. Then Matovič's incompetence and Heger's support for Ukraine boosted Smer and far-right turnout in 2023 and again yesterday. On the map, many of the highest increases in turnout were in areas where Smer, Harabin and Kotleba were the strongest, now and five years ago (let's put it this way, Hlas ministers parading around with Hitler-saluting neo-Nazis didn't exactly hurt Pelle with ĽSNS voters). Pellegrini's belated but all the more enthusiastic pro-Russian and anti-LGBT turn was a masterstroke: it got him voters who wouldn't otherwise care about the election, but saw the need to protect Slovakia from Ukrainian Nazis, NATO warmongers, gender propaganda or whatever. Hungarian turnout also increased (Orbán's state TV openly campaigning for Pelle in the last days couldn't have hurt) and Hungarians now vote just like Slovaks in areas with comparable economic situation and urbanization. It's why I chose to compare this election not to last time, but to 2009, when a Fico-adjacent candidate won by a similar margin and with a vaguely similar, yet in some ways very different map.
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« Reply #978 on: April 07, 2024, 10:22:50 AM »


Slovak opposition be like
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« Reply #979 on: April 07, 2024, 10:32:58 AM »

Is there a particular reason for the massive surge in turnout? Have Slovak politics polarized a lot following the political crises of the 2020s, or is there something specific to the candidates that drew people to the polls?

It's polarization. The Kuciak murder boosted opposition turnout and demotivated Smer voters in 2019, especially in the runoff. Same thing happened in 2020. Then Matovič's incompetence and Heger's support for Ukraine boosted Smer and far-right turnout in 2023 and again yesterday. On the map, many of the highest increases in turnout were in areas where Smer, Harabin and Kotleba were the strongest, now and five years ago (let's put it this way, Hlas ministers parading around with Hitler-saluting neo-Nazis didn't exactly hurt Pelle with ĽSNS voters). Pellegrini's belated but all the more enthusiastic pro-Russian and anti-LGBT turn was a masterstroke: it got him voters who wouldn't otherwise care about the election, but saw the need to protect Slovakia from Ukrainian Nazis, NATO warmongers, gender propaganda or whatever. Hungarian turnout also increased (Orbán's state TV openly campaigning for Pelle in the last days couldn't have hurt) and Hungarians now vote just like Slovaks in areas with comparable economic situation and urbanization. It's why I chose to compare this election not to last time, but to 2009, when a Fico-adjacent candidate won by a similar margin and with a vaguely similar, yet in some ways very different map.

There's certainly something weird about Slovak and Hungarian nationalists getting along... But I guess that goes to show how surface-level the "nationalism" actually is. At the end of the day, for both Orban and Fico, it's all about consolidating power, and it's always easier to deal with a fellow autocrat as a neighbor than with someone who can be held accountable by their citizenry.
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« Reply #980 on: April 07, 2024, 10:54:47 AM »

Unintended consequence of the Pan-European Security Umbrella. Irredentism is rendered as truly and genuinely performative, and so all kinds of associations that were once unthinkable for very basic practical reasons are not.
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« Reply #981 on: April 07, 2024, 11:21:45 AM »

Unintended consequence of the Pan-European Security Umbrella. Irredentism is rendered as truly and genuinely performative, and so all kinds of associations that were once unthinkable for very basic practical reasons are not.

I was actually just thinking that. In a way, there's no greater triumph for the EU than to force even its fiercest opponents to think in its own terms.
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« Reply #982 on: April 09, 2024, 02:41:30 PM »

Fico announced that some austerity measures might be coming up. And by 'some austerity measures' I mean that he stood up on a press conference of the Minister of Finance and said that nobody would notice if he fired 30% of civil servants and ministries would actually work better. Now, this is probably unavoidable – extra taxes on cigarettes and soft drinks aren't gonna do much about the 6% deficit – but I love the utter shamelessness of doing it three days after the election. And, of course, there's the added benefit of being able to replace key employees with loyalists, like his Minister of Culture did when she appointed her friend, an economist mostly known for ranting about transgender ideology, as the director of a children's theatre.

As the presidential campaign ended, the European campaign is starting up. Plain blue billboards with no identifying marks appeared all over Slovakia, with slogans such as "We don't need EU and NATO", "We can't survive without Russia" and "Ukraine is the enemy". Turns out they were put by... the Democrats as a part of a provocative anti-government campaign Tongue
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« Reply #983 on: April 12, 2024, 08:24:50 AM »

I think Fico is in some kind of quantum superposition where he simultaneously holds every single position on Ukraine it’s possible to have.

Quote from: Pravda
The Slovak and Ukrainian governments held talks in Michalovce on Thursday. The meeting resulted in energy memoranda, provision of civil and humanitarian aid and improvement of transport between the neighbouring countries. The atmosphere after the talks was friendly, with smiles, touches and hugs accompanying the prime ministers' meeting.

"You need to put aside fear, prejudices, bring people together, remove bureaucratic obstacles and you will find that difficult decisions can be taken," Fico explained. He believes that "bureaucratic obstacles and bureaucratic contrivances" are hindering the protection of Ukraine's sovereignty and integrity. On the issue of military aid, the government's position is unchanged. Commercial military cooperation will continue and Slovakia wants to help in demining Ukraine.

"The use of Russian military force was a gross violation of international law," Fico said, adding that he did not want to change anything about this and adding that Ukraine needed help and solidarity. The prime minister added that Slovakia wished Ukraine early membership of the European Union. According to the Prime Minister, this is a guarantee of perspective and development.
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« Reply #984 on: April 12, 2024, 09:54:40 AM »

Say whatever else you like about him, but he really has mastered the art of Being A Postcommunist, which is not always easy.
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« Reply #985 on: April 20, 2024, 05:37:59 PM »

This week's Focus poll for TV Markíza:

TrustDistrust
Peter Pellegrini49 50
Zuzana Čaputová45 54
Robert Fico (Smer)36 64
Michal Šimečka (PS)29 66
Milan Majerský (KDH)28 61
Milan Uhrík (Republika)26 63
Andrej Danko (SNS)24 75
Richard Sulík (SaS)22 76
Krisztián Forró (Szövetség)22 59
Jaroslav Naď (Demokrati)21 73
Igor Matovič (Slovensko)15 84

This, along with election results, makes it clear you can divide the Slovak population (or at least the 60–70% who sometimes follow politics and vote in high-stakes elections) into four blocks:

◾about 30–35% (Smer, SNS, Republika, ĽSNS, parts of Hlas and Szövetség, various left-wing and far-right groups) who love Fico, love the government, agree with their anti-Western/anti-LGBT/anti-justice-system/anti-civil-society conspiracy theories and enthusiastically support everything it does, including unpopular anti-anti-corruption measures. A significant minority is very politically engaged outside mainstream media, on Telegram and such. Basically Trumpists.

◾about 20–25% (Hlas, Szövetség, Sme rodina, parts of KDH and Slovensko) who don't like Fico and his mafia but support the government for their promised welfare measures, social conservatism or a more moderate "yes to NATO but no help for Ukraine" foreign policy and above all see it as a lesser evil compared to liberals and Matovič. Basically the median voter.

◾about 15–20% (KDH, Slovensko, parts of Sme rodina, various minor centre-right and localist parties) who vocally oppose the government, strongly support EU/NATO and would rather eat glass than vote for Fico, but agree with the government on some issues not related to foreign policy or rule of law, such as welfare or various social conservative causes related to LGBT, drugs, hunting etc. Basically conservatives, both mainstream and populist.

◾about 25–30% (PS, SaS, Demokrati), the urban and suburban middle and upper class, plus the majority of, to use a South African term, "born free generation", i.e. post-1989. Basically liberals and progressives, very strongly pro-EU, pro-NATO and pro-Ukraine, supportive of LGBT rights (but cautiously so – something like half of PS voters oppose same-sex adoption), lower penalties for soft drugs and other moderate socially liberal causes. Centre-right on economics and big on fiscal responsbility, but with a small Western-style progressive minority. Obviously they think that Fico, Pelle, far-right and far-left are the second coming of Mečiar/Husák/Tiso, they're very politically engaged*, always vote and many have taken part in protests over the past months.

* this may have been a factor in some of the worst polling errors, but doesn't explain why every pollster said Korčok would get like 8% less in the first round than he really did, or that Republika would get in last year

In the news, Hlas and SNS are having a tiff over who should get the speaker's chair vacated by Pelle (Hlas says it belongs to them as a party, Danko wants it for himself after already having it in 2016–2020), austerity continues as the Minister of Health abolished the €150 yearly dental benefit, and activists organized a fundraiser for ammunition for Ukraine that collected €2.7 million (!) in just five days.
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