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« Reply #9575 on: April 09, 2022, 08:13:56 PM »


Germany is an absolute disgrace. The fact that the only countries below them are Hungary, China, Belarus, and Russia itself speaks VOLUMES.

Is there no possible way for the US and Canada to get these Krauts enough oil and gas to stop sucking Putin's limp d--k? Seems like there should be!

Also: Poland is so incredibly based, I mean MY GOD. I take back basically everything bad I ever said about Duda. When the chips are down, people show you who they really are. And if ANYONE would know, my god the Poles sure would!

Also nice to see that even with Tucker Carlson, only 2% of the US population seems to be swayed against Ukraine. I honestly expected higher.
Far from a Green Party sympathizer, but Economy Minister Habeck and Foreign Minister Baerbock are doing a quite good job right now. Habeck secured a gas deal with Qatar and looks into the whole situation without denying uncomfortable and inconvenient truths and also nationalized Gazprom Germania. If they jumped overshadow and cancelled the nuclear phase-out for now to reduce dependence on Russian coal and gas (50% of lignite which makes up 9.5% of Germany's electricity makes is imported from Russia, but it is set to be reduced), I might even vote Green next time.

Germany has a structural Russia problem that affects both major parties CDU and SPD.
There are daily revelations about shady deals and dubious connections and behaviors of politicians - Today there was a report that M-V (northern state) governor Manuela Schwesig (SPD) informed both Merkel and Scholz before setting up a fake foundation which was subsidized with state money to promote NordStream 2. She also got under fire for promoting an apparent pro-Russian woman who nobody knew before to the candidate list in the last state elections - said shady woman registered under 3 different names in different organizations. Saxony Governor Michael Kretschmer (CDU) regularly thinks about not burning down bridges to Russia. The President FW Steinmeier (SPD), who was always hesitant to speak out against Russia in his term as Foreign Minister, organized a "peace concert" to which the Ukrainian ambassador was invited, but he declined for obvious reasons. And it seems as if Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht (SPD) blocked the export of weapons for 5 weeks, after she declined to send weapons in February already, leaving Ukraine with 5,000 helmets Germany could send. And Merkel states it was the right choice to block Ukraine and Georgia from accessing NATO in 2008.

They all admit they were underestimating Russia and were wrong, but of course it's nobody's fault and nobody has resigned.

10 years ago, Germany pressured Southern Europe to tighten their belts for past mistakes. Oh well, the irony...
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« Reply #9576 on: April 09, 2022, 08:14:38 PM »



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« Reply #9577 on: April 09, 2022, 08:17:41 PM »

Every single Russian soldier that steps foot in Ukraine ought to be shot on sight. I've been saying that since the beginning, as it's been obvious since long before then that Putin's Russia knows nothing but brutality and barbarism, but I'm hoping that these recent atrocities will wake up the bleeding hearts and help them realize that sometimes the best option is to treat the aggressor with as little mercy as they show to others. Knee-capping Russian soldiers is actually an act of restraint, regardless of whether or not those individual Russian soldiers participated in some of the worst crimes we've seen. Any Russian soldier that does not desert or defect of his own free will before getting captured should be shown as little sympathy and mercy as the rapist that has been discussed earlier in the thread.
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« Reply #9578 on: April 09, 2022, 08:21:24 PM »
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It doesn't sound speaking Russian in the video. If he's speaking Chechen that's something I haven't seen in the war before. Also saying the Chechens need to leave Europe seems a bit...well Chechnya is in Europe last time I checked.

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« Reply #9579 on: April 09, 2022, 08:24:44 PM »

While several heads of government/state were in Kyiv already (Morawiecki, Janša, Fiala, von der Leyen, Hegar, Johnson) to meet with Zelenskyi, Scholz is campaigning for a regional election.



Not really helping to recover from the massive reputation problem Germany has right now - also among Ukrainians (poll from March):



Roles of countries (friendly/neutral/hostile):
Poland: 96/2/0
Latvia: 85/9/0
UK: 86/7/1
US: 88/8/2
Czechia: 79/13/0
Slovakia: 74/15/0
Moldova: 69/23/1
Romania: 66/21/1
Slovenia: 59/22/1
Turkey: 66/28/2
France: 68/24/4
Georgia: 54/33/6
Germany: 57/33/6
Hungary: 45/27/12
China: 15/63/17
Belarus: 4/9/84
Russia: 0/1/98

Considering recent developments, I might assume numbers for Georgia, Germany and Hungary have worsened ever since.

Germany is an absolute disgrace. The fact that the only countries below them are Hungary, China, Belarus, and Russia itself speaks VOLUMES.

Is there no possible way for the US and Canada to get these Krauts enough oil and gas to stop sucking Putin's limp d--k? Seems like there should be!

Also: Poland is so incredibly based, I mean MY GOD. I take back basically everything bad I ever said about Duda. When the chips are down, people show you who they really are. And if ANYONE would know, my god the Poles sure would!

Also nice to see that even with Tucker Carlson, only 2% of the US population seems to be swayed against Ukraine. I honestly expected higher.

Deep breathing Comrade Alben.

The atrocities of this war are so disturbing, perhaps because they are more visible in other wars courtesy of social media, drones, and lack of Russia cutting out internet communications in many districts bcs they relied on cell phone towers for communications.

This war appears to be likely to continue for at least a couple months more, if not longer.

Doubtless we will continue to view images of the atrocities committed against the civilian population of Ukraine as a direct result of "Putin's War", beyond the obvious images of massive destruction of civilian apartment complexes, hospitals, schools, etc...

In my mind the evidence is 100% that Russia has committed multiple war crimes in Ukraine going almost all the way to the top of the food chain.

Those of us who view these atrocities in greater detail (small minority of the US Population), feel powerless to act, but still we send $$$ to Doctors without Borders, Celebrity Chef food donations where everything goes to Ukrainian refugees.

Meanwhile we support political leaders donating and providing both military and intelligence assistance to the Ukrainian Gvt.

We spread the word on social media, and on the floors of the factory and health care facilities...

Still, Brother Alben--- this too shall pass and hating "the other" is not a solution.

Hating "the other" is not Christian.

Hating "the other" is not Socialist.







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« Reply #9580 on: April 09, 2022, 09:07:23 PM »

Every single Russian soldier that steps foot in Ukraine ought to be shot on sight. I've been saying that since the beginning, as it's been obvious since long before then that Putin's Russia knows nothing but brutality and barbarism, but I'm hoping that these recent atrocities will wake up the bleeding hearts and help them realize that sometimes the best option is to treat the aggressor with as little mercy as they show to others. Knee-capping Russian soldiers is actually an act of restraint, regardless of whether or not those individual Russian soldiers participated in some of the worst crimes we've seen. Any Russian soldier that does not desert or defect of his own free will before getting captured should be shown as little sympathy and mercy as the rapist that has been discussed earlier in the thread.

Umm...

My Grandfather on my mother's side (now deceased) fought in WW II on the Western Front against the Nazis at the Battle of Bulge.

Spent years in West Berlin as part of the American Occupying forces...

Him and the Russian soldiers were all on the same side, and although demob hadn't yet brought most of the original GI's home, he bartered for a few war time trophies such as a German Lugar Officer Pistol...

Still as a Pennsylvanian German whose relatives overwhelmingly supported the North during the American Civil War, and as a relatively non practicing Lutheran he knew right from wrong.

"War is Hell" and "Russian Invaders and Occupiers are the perpetrators", but yet we need to remember the humanity of "the other".

Other posters have used terms like "Krauts" to describe their perspectives regarding Germany, which is naturally I take deep offense to with family members who were German-American but also Anti-Nazi.

Now we are dealing in real time on Social Media, including Atlas, where we are now seeing racist and xenophobic slurs launched at all Russians, simply because of the crimes of their leadership, their wartime propaganda, and various war crimes committed during this current war.

Hypothetically speaking if China were to take major offensive military actions against Taiwan, would it somehow be fashionable or acceptable on Atlas to use stereotypes and racial slurs to justify as US counter-attack?

Where does it end and why does the vast majority of Atlas who tends to be extremely young in age continue to act like this is some type of random computer game?
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« Reply #9581 on: April 09, 2022, 09:14:14 PM »

Every single Russian soldier that steps foot in Ukraine ought to be shot on sight. I've been saying that since the beginning, as it's been obvious since long before then that Putin's Russia knows nothing but brutality and barbarism, but I'm hoping that these recent atrocities will wake up the bleeding hearts and help them realize that sometimes the best option is to treat the aggressor with as little mercy as they show to others. Knee-capping Russian soldiers is actually an act of restraint, regardless of whether or not those individual Russian soldiers participated in some of the worst crimes we've seen. Any Russian soldier that does not desert or defect of his own free will before getting captured should be shown as little sympathy and mercy as the rapist that has been discussed earlier in the thread.

Umm...

My Grandfather on my mother's side (now deceased) fought in WW II on the Western Front against the Nazis at the Battle of Bulge.

Spent years in West Berlin as part of the American Occupying forces...

Him and the Russian soldiers were all on the same side, and although demob hadn't yet brought most of the original GI's home, he bartered for a few war time trophies such as a German Lugar Officer Pistol...

Still as a Pennsylvanian German whose relatives overwhelmingly supported the North during the American Civil War, and as a relatively non practicing Lutheran he knew right from wrong.

"War is Hell" and "Russian Invaders and Occupiers are the perpetrators", but yet we need to remember the humanity of "the other".

Other posters have used terms like "Krauts" to describe their perspectives regarding Germany, which is naturally I take deep offense to with family members who were German-American but also Anti-Nazi.

Now we are dealing in real time on Social Media, including Atlas, where we are now seeing racist and xenophobic slurs launched at all Russians, simply because of the crimes of their leadership, their wartime propaganda, and various war crimes committed during this current war.

Hypothetically speaking if China were to take major offensive military actions against Taiwan, would it somehow be fashionable or acceptable on Atlas to use stereotypes and racial slurs to justify as US counter-attack?

Where does it end and why does the vast majority of Atlas who tends to be extremely young in age continue to act like this is some type of random computer game?

I specifically said "Putin's Russia" and only referred to "Russian soldiers" and specifically those who do not defect or surrender. I'll let the rest of Atlas answer for their own posts. 

Fair enough, I suppose that "Putin's Russia" could still imply that I'm referring to all the people who live there and not just the political entity of Putin's Russia, so I guess I'll clarify now that Putin and his supporters know nothing but brutality and barbarism, which is a statement I stand by 100%.
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« Reply #9582 on: April 09, 2022, 10:00:16 PM »

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« Reply #9583 on: April 09, 2022, 10:40:16 PM »

Also nice to see that even with Tucker Carlson, only 2% of the US population seems to be swayed against Ukraine. I honestly expected higher.

To be clear, this poll is of whether Ukrainians perceive the country in question as friendly or hostile, not whether people in the country in question perceive Ukraine that way. (Support for the invasion within Russia, while unfortunately higher than it seemed like it might be at the beginning, is nowhere near 98%, for instance.) So that's 2% of Ukrainians who think the US is hostile towards their country, not 2% of Americans who feel hostile towards Ukraine. Polls I've seen of American opinion tend to show negative opinions of Ukraine in the 5-10% range, which is still slightly less than my previous working estimate for how much of this country believes whatever ridiculous crap Tucker Carlson happens to spew no matter how insane it seems (about 15% or so), but you might feel differently.
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« Reply #9584 on: April 09, 2022, 11:39:54 PM »
« Edited: April 09, 2022, 11:48:37 PM by Storr »

Another donation from the Russian Ministry of Defense to the Armed Forces of Ukraine:



Here's a song from 1988, late in the Soviet-Afghan War, about the BTR. It sounds like an 80s Toyota commercial, which is a good thing if you ask me.


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« Reply #9585 on: April 09, 2022, 11:46:20 PM »



Cartoonishly evil.

S--t like this makes me glad I'm not POTUS, because I probably would have hit the "NUKE MOSCOW" button immediately after I read it.

I mean, if this is real, this is like a Nazi propaganda poster about the Russians made flesh and blood.

I have some bad news for you: "Nazi propaganda" about Russians even in WW2 was not always false.

The rape of German women during WW2 by Russian soldiers is probably the greatest mass rape in human history.

When Churchill said we were making a deal with "the Devil" (referring to Stalin) to fight Hitler, he wasn't kidding.

Russians are and always have been absolute barbarians. Obviously there are exceptions. But the sad, cold, hard, reality is their culture has scarcely advanced from the pillaging and plundering of the Mongols, let alone their own Imperialist 18th and 19th century history.
There is far more to the Russian culture than war, and we must be extremely careful with these things. I get the temptation, but let’s not look down an entire culture. With that logic we would be looking down upon many other cultures as well. I say this as someone who despises Russia as a state and the mentality a lot of current Russians have, but that isn’t their culture nor heritage.
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« Reply #9586 on: April 09, 2022, 11:54:38 PM »

Every single Russian soldier that steps foot in Ukraine ought to be shot on sight. I've been saying that since the beginning, as it's been obvious since long before then that Putin's Russia knows nothing but brutality and barbarism, but I'm hoping that these recent atrocities will wake up the bleeding hearts and help them realize that sometimes the best option is to treat the aggressor with as little mercy as they show to others. Knee-capping Russian soldiers is actually an act of restraint, regardless of whether or not those individual Russian soldiers participated in some of the worst crimes we've seen. Any Russian soldier that does not desert or defect of his own free will before getting captured should be shown as little sympathy and mercy as the rapist that has been discussed earlier in the thread.
If you kill surrendering troops…that just serves as a reminder to other troops they shouldn’t ever surrender and instead may as well fight to the last man. Gosh, I get the anger but maintain a level head.
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« Reply #9587 on: April 10, 2022, 12:58:17 AM »

Soldiers in general have always tended to do that kind of stuff in wartime. Not all of them, but enough of them, in basically every war on every side. Some are just better at propaganda and covering their tracks. It’s part of human nature. Inexcusable. But true. Let’s not dehumanize an entire culture/nation/ethnicity as inherently worse.
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« Reply #9588 on: April 10, 2022, 01:00:58 AM »

Every single Russian soldier that steps foot in Ukraine ought to be shot on sight. I've been saying that since the beginning, as it's been obvious since long before then that Putin's Russia knows nothing but brutality and barbarism, but I'm hoping that these recent atrocities will wake up the bleeding hearts and help them realize that sometimes the best option is to treat the aggressor with as little mercy as they show to others. Knee-capping Russian soldiers is actually an act of restraint, regardless of whether or not those individual Russian soldiers participated in some of the worst crimes we've seen. Any Russian soldier that does not desert or defect of his own free will before getting captured should be shown as little sympathy and mercy as the rapist that has been discussed earlier in the thread.

Umm...

My Grandfather on my mother's side (now deceased) fought in WW II on the Western Front against the Nazis at the Battle of Bulge.

Spent years in West Berlin as part of the American Occupying forces...

Him and the Russian soldiers were all on the same side, and although demob hadn't yet brought most of the original GI's home, he bartered for a few war time trophies such as a German Lugar Officer Pistol...

Still as a Pennsylvanian German whose relatives overwhelmingly supported the North during the American Civil War, and as a relatively non practicing Lutheran he knew right from wrong.

"War is Hell" and "Russian Invaders and Occupiers are the perpetrators", but yet we need to remember the humanity of "the other".

Other posters have used terms like "Krauts" to describe their perspectives regarding Germany, which is naturally I take deep offense to with family members who were German-American but also Anti-Nazi.

Now we are dealing in real time on Social Media, including Atlas, where we are now seeing racist and xenophobic slurs launched at all Russians, simply because of the crimes of their leadership, their wartime propaganda, and various war crimes committed during this current war.

Hypothetically speaking if China were to take major offensive military actions against Taiwan, would it somehow be fashionable or acceptable on Atlas to use stereotypes and racial slurs to justify as US counter-attack?

Where does it end and why does the vast majority of Atlas who tends to be extremely young in age continue to act like this is some type of random computer game?

I specifically said "Putin's Russia" and only referred to "Russian soldiers" and specifically those who do not defect or surrender. I'll let the rest of Atlas answer for their own posts. 

Fair enough, I suppose that "Putin's Russia" could still imply that I'm referring to all the people who live there and not just the political entity of Putin's Russia, so I guess I'll clarify now that Putin and his supporters know nothing but brutality and barbarism, which is a statement I stand by 100%.

Something about "knee-capping  Russian soldiers is actually an act of restraint" comment without anything other than "Putin's Russia" response seems slightly lacking, considering what we know today.

Not trying to pick on you bud, but at the same time I'll try to be 100% consistent when it comes to war crimes regardless of whomever commits such crimes.



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« Reply #9589 on: April 10, 2022, 01:11:43 AM »



Cartoonishly evil.

S--t like this makes me glad I'm not POTUS, because I probably would have hit the "NUKE MOSCOW" button immediately after I read it.

Same. I see red when I read about this stuff. I wouldn't trust myself not to have "accidentally" involved us militarily by now.
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« Reply #9590 on: April 10, 2022, 01:13:26 AM »

Every single Russian soldier that steps foot in Ukraine ought to be shot on sight. I've been saying that since the beginning, as it's been obvious since long before then that Putin's Russia knows nothing but brutality and barbarism, but I'm hoping that these recent atrocities will wake up the bleeding hearts and help them realize that sometimes the best option is to treat the aggressor with as little mercy as they show to others. Knee-capping Russian soldiers is actually an act of restraint, regardless of whether or not those individual Russian soldiers participated in some of the worst crimes we've seen. Any Russian soldier that does not desert or defect of his own free will before getting captured should be shown as little sympathy and mercy as the rapist that has been discussed earlier in the thread.

Umm...

My Grandfather on my mother's side (now deceased) fought in WW II on the Western Front against the Nazis at the Battle of Bulge.

Spent years in West Berlin as part of the American Occupying forces...

Him and the Russian soldiers were all on the same side, and although demob hadn't yet brought most of the original GI's home, he bartered for a few war time trophies such as a German Lugar Officer Pistol...

Still as a Pennsylvanian German whose relatives overwhelmingly supported the North during the American Civil War, and as a relatively non practicing Lutheran he knew right from wrong.

"War is Hell" and "Russian Invaders and Occupiers are the perpetrators", but yet we need to remember the humanity of "the other".

Other posters have used terms like "Krauts" to describe their perspectives regarding Germany, which is naturally I take deep offense to with family members who were German-American but also Anti-Nazi.

Now we are dealing in real time on Social Media, including Atlas, where we are now seeing racist and xenophobic slurs launched at all Russians, simply because of the crimes of their leadership, their wartime propaganda, and various war crimes committed during this current war.

Hypothetically speaking if China were to take major offensive military actions against Taiwan, would it somehow be fashionable or acceptable on Atlas to use stereotypes and racial slurs to justify as US counter-attack?

Where does it end and why does the vast majority of Atlas who tends to be extremely young in age continue to act like this is some type of random computer game?

I specifically said "Putin's Russia" and only referred to "Russian soldiers" and specifically those who do not defect or surrender. I'll let the rest of Atlas answer for their own posts. 

Fair enough, I suppose that "Putin's Russia" could still imply that I'm referring to all the people who live there and not just the political entity of Putin's Russia, so I guess I'll clarify now that Putin and his supporters know nothing but brutality and barbarism, which is a statement I stand by 100%.

Something about "knee-capping  Russian soldiers is actually an act of restraint" comment without anything other than "Putin's Russia" response seems slightly lacking, considering what we know today.

Not trying to pick on you bud, but at the same time I'll try to be 100% consistent when it comes to war crimes regardless of whomever commits such crimes.


Knee-capping Russian soldiers is pretty mild compared to what the Russian military is doing.
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« Reply #9591 on: April 10, 2022, 01:33:27 AM »

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Some 'loud thinking' about what can Ukraine - and all of us as 'interested observers' - expect from Army General Dvornikov in regards of the RFA operations in Ukraine?
1.) Let me start with assessing him the way the mass of Western experts is going to do. The first thing you're going to get to hear about Dvornikov in the Western media is that, he's got 'combat experience from Syria'.
Frankly (as always) this is nonsense. Dvornikov hasn't got any kind of first hand combat experience, whatsoever. He never got anywhere within 40 kilometres from the frontline.
2.) Actually, 
- from August 2015 unitl July 2016, Colonel-General Dvornikov was the first commander of the Group of Russian Forces in the Syrian Arab Republic (GRF).
- In that function, Dvornikov was responsible for all the planning for initial Russian and allied operations against the Syrian insurgency in northern Latakia, northern Hama, and southern Idlib provinces (NOT against the Daesh - i.e. IS/ISIS/ISIL/IGIL: as of 2015-2016, the Daesh was nowhere within 100+ km of Russian positions in Syria).
- Moreover, and in cooperation with the GRF Training Mission to Syrian Arab Army (led by Major-General Sevryukov as of August 2015 - August 2016), Dvornikov was responsible for the first attempt to re-constitute the Syrian Arab Army (as about why was there a need to re-constitute the same... that's a longer story, where I can only advise the reading of the book Moscow's Game of Poker, see: https://www.helion.co.uk/.../moscows-game-of-poker...).
3.) What did Dvornikov and Severyukov do and how did they command?
it goes on like this
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« Reply #9592 on: April 10, 2022, 01:48:23 AM »

Also nice to see that even with Tucker Carlson, only 2% of the US population seems to be swayed against Ukraine. I honestly expected higher.

To be clear, this poll is of whether Ukrainians perceive the country in question as friendly or hostile, not whether people in the country in question perceive Ukraine that way. (Support for the invasion within Russia, while unfortunately higher than it seemed like it might be at the beginning, is nowhere near 98%, for instance.) So that's 2% of Ukrainians who think the US is hostile towards their country, not 2% of Americans who feel hostile towards Ukraine. Polls I've seen of American opinion tend to show negative opinions of Ukraine in the 5-10% range, which is still slightly less than my previous working estimate for how much of this country believes whatever ridiculous crap Tucker Carlson happens to spew no matter how insane it seems (about 15% or so), but you might feel differently.
I remember one poll that said that the breakdown by party of who supported Russia was 5% of Democrats, 5% of independents and 8% of Republicans. The real confusing things is who the 5% of Democrats are, there's no way there's that many "anti-imperialists" in the party that they make up 1 in every 20 members, especially since tankies and the like aren't going to identify as Democrats anyway and the sort of people who rave about opposing NATO into this are usually also the types who also spend most of their time online sh!tposting about their extreme supernova sized hateboners for "The Squad", to say nothing of how they feel about Biden and Democrats to his right.
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« Reply #9593 on: April 10, 2022, 01:56:00 AM »

While several heads of government/state were in Kyiv already (Morawiecki, Janša, Fiala, von der Leyen, Hegar, Johnson) to meet with Zelenskyi, Scholz is campaigning for a regional election.



Not really helping to recover from the massive reputation problem Germany has right now - also among Ukrainians (poll from March):



Roles of countries (friendly/neutral/hostile):
Poland: 96/2/0
Latvia: 85/9/0
UK: 86/7/1
US: 88/8/2
Czechia: 79/13/0
Slovakia: 74/15/0
Moldova: 69/23/1
Romania: 66/21/1
Slovenia: 59/22/1
Turkey: 66/28/2
France: 68/24/4
Georgia: 54/33/6
Germany: 57/33/6
Hungary: 45/27/12
China: 15/63/17
Belarus: 4/9/84
Russia: 0/1/98

Considering recent developments, I might assume numbers for Georgia, Germany and Hungary have worsened ever since.

While it's fair to have a go at them for being massively compromised, Germany has at least sent weapons to Ukraine. There has been no evidence whatsoever of French weapons in Ukraine, despite France having the only serious military left in the EU. It could just be because of the upcoming election, but I'm surprised there hasn't been much public criticism of this - nowhere near the extent of complaints about Germany.

The French have long played up European French sovereign independence in the face of American patronage, and yet when they are needed they've gone AWOL. What are other Europeans thinking about France?
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« Reply #9594 on: April 10, 2022, 01:56:27 AM »

The rape of German women during WW2 by Russian soldiers is probably the greatest mass rape in human history.
Actually the Japanese probably have even them beat on this. There's a reason one of their atrocities is literally called the "Rape of Nanjing." Not that the Russians don't have this horrific past, the Soviet Union was after all definitely the third worst country for atrocities in WW2 and as noted it didn't start there nor did it end after WW2 or even the USSR collapse.
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« Reply #9595 on: April 10, 2022, 02:00:20 AM »



Cartoonishly evil.

S--t like this makes me glad I'm not POTUS, because I probably would have hit the "NUKE MOSCOW" button immediately after I read it.

I mean, if this is real, this is like a Nazi propaganda poster about the Russians made flesh and blood.

I have some bad news for you: "Nazi propaganda" about Russians even in WW2 was not always false.

The rape of German women during WW2 by Russian soldiers is probably the greatest mass rape in human history.

When Churchill said we were making a deal with "the Devil" (referring to Stalin) to fight Hitler, he wasn't kidding.

Russians are and always have been absolute barbarians. Obviously there are exceptions. But the sad, cold, hard, reality is their culture has scarcely advanced from the pillaging and plundering of the Mongols, let alone their own Imperialist 18th and 19th century history.

Estimates of German deaths from the expulsions after WW2 range from 500k to over 2 million.
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« Reply #9596 on: April 10, 2022, 02:03:05 AM »

Ukraine should put a bounty on Aleksei Bychkov. Like the equivalent of $1 million to anyone who takes him captive or can prove they killed him. And if taken prisoner he should not be eligible for any POW transfers (just as Ukraine has stated that they will not do exchanges or release any captured Russian pilots) but should be charged with and tried for the appropriate crime under Ukraine's law.
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« Reply #9597 on: April 10, 2022, 02:12:11 AM »


Cartoonishly evil.

Cartoonishly evil.

S--t like this makes me glad I'm not POTUS, because I probably would have hit the "NUKE MOSCOW" button immediately after I read it.



I actually believe this, not because the Russians would particularly care but because of the sheer propaganda blow he gave to them.

He is not going to be treated well obviously to put it mildly...and it's also nothing less than what he deserves.
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« Reply #9598 on: April 10, 2022, 04:09:19 AM »

The rape of German women during WW2 by Russian soldiers is probably the greatest mass rape in human history.
Actually the Japanese probably have even them beat on this. There's a reason one of their atrocities is literally called the "Rape of Nanjing." Not that the Russians don't have this horrific past, the Soviet Union was after all definitely the third worst country for atrocities in WW2 and as noted it didn't start there nor did it end after WW2 or even the USSR collapse.

Soviet troops in Afghanistan basically wiped out whole villages on a regular basis.

Of course, such tactics did not ultimately win them the war.
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« Reply #9599 on: April 10, 2022, 04:33:04 AM »

A bromance comes to an end.




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