Spanish elections and politics

[Velasco]

PSOE would be wise to make a deal with PP while there is till or else their leverage will go down from here.

In which terms? Unconditional surrender? After this coup, the PSOE's ability to make an acceptable deal with the PP has dropped to zero. On the other hand, Rajoy wanted a third election from minute one. 

[Dereich]

It seems that if there is a third election this winter and the PSOE is in the shape it is in today the PP should emerge with a majority by itself and Podemos  would become the main Leftist opposition party.  PSOE would be wise to make a deal with PP while there is till or else their leverage will go down from here.

How would tying themselves to one of the most corrupt and disliked governments in the Western world make PSOE more likely to retain their status as the main Leftist opposition? We have the example of PASOK who suffered for doing exactly what you're proposing to point to the contrary.

[jaichind]

PSOE would be wise to make a deal with PP while there is till or else their leverage will go down from here.

In which terms? Unconditional surrender? After this coup, the PSOE's ability to make an acceptable deal with the PP has dropped to zero. On the other hand, Rajoy wanted a third election from minute one. 

I agree it might be too late but it should work something like this: PSOE will say "we will abstain for the greater good of Spain and the Spanish people if the PP government would implement policies A B and C.  If PP rejects this deal then it is on PP that a third election will take place."  As it is where it is unconditional non-support of a PP government puts the pressure and blame on PSOE for a lack of government.  I do think it might be too late for this as this revolt has robbed PSOE leverage to do something like this and look credible. 

[aross]

Españoles...Sanchez ha dimitido.

[Zinneke]

Is Diaz expected to venture out of her fiefdom to take over the PSOE leadership one day?

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rip dilf

[jaichind]

Even if PSOE now offers to abstain under its new leadership paving the way for a PP government, is there not a chance that PP will maneuver things in a way to provoke a third election anyway just to take advantage of the current split in PSOE? 

[Zinneke]

Even if PSOE now offers to abstain under its new leadership paving the way for a PP government, is there not a chance that PP will maneuver things in a way to provoke a third election anyway just to take advantage of the current split in PSOE?  

The whole PSOE manoeuvre seems to be based on the idea that the PP would like third elections and that now with Sanchez out of the way, they can call PP's bluff. Previously, PSOE was getting a lot of the blame for the current crisis and for pandering to ''unconstitutional'' forces. Its clear Rajoy wants an absolute majority, but from what I gather from the articles he'll be happy to govern with C's.

A PP-C's minority government is a one way ticket to Catalan unilateral declaration of independence IMO.

I'm still unsure what exactly PSOE's short or long term strategy is. THey are going to get PASOK'd.

[ag]

Españoles...Sanchez ha dimitido.

I am not sure many non-Spaniards appreciate this, but I do

[jaichind]

(Bloomberg) -- Acting Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy’s Popular Party would win 159 seats in the 350-seat parliament, up from 137, according to poll by GAD3 published by newspaper ABC.
Socialist Party would fall to 18.6% vs 22.7% in previous elections, seats would decline to 68 from current 85
Podemos coalition would be down to 20.8% from 21.1%, w/ 69 seats from 71
Ciudadanos would fall to 11.9% from 13.1% and its seats in parliament would drop to 25 from 32

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Question: how close were PACMA to getting into parliament last election? They seem terminally unlucky in getting healthy results that are far too evenly distributed to get seats.

[Velasco]

Question: how close were PACMA to getting into parliament last election? They seem terminally unlucky in getting healthy results that are far too evenly distributed to get seats.

The threshold to get into parliament is at 3%, although in practice it's needed a higher vote share in all the constituencies except Madrid and Barcelona.

In the last election PACMA got 1.8% in Barcelona and 1.13% in Madrid, so they fell short by 1.2% and 1.87% respectively. 

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talking of animal rights, the Catalan bullfighting ban has been overturned

[Zinneke]

talking of animal rights, the Catalan bullfighting ban has been overturned

The one in the Canary Islands hasn't.

Hmmm...

[Antonio the Sixth]

talking of animal rights, the Catalan bullfighting ban has been overturned

Ugh. On what basis?

[aross]

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Ugh. On what basis?

Because their statute of autonomy requires them to 'preserve cultural heritage', making the law ultra vires. Seriously. Also Catalans smell.
The case was, of course, brought by the PPC.

[jaichind]

Spanish Socialists prepare to end political logjam

https://www.ft.com/content/0a5c2522-96ba-11e6-a1dc-bdf38d484582

"Barring a late surprise,the committee is expected to instruct the party’s members of parliament to abstain in a crucial vote on Mariano Rajoy’s candidacy for a second term as prime minister. That would be enough to secure another mandate for the veteran centre-right leader and draw a line under Spain’s political deadlock."

"In a clear sign that cohesion is breaking down, the Catalan branch of the party has made clear it will vote against Mr Rajoy no matter what the federal committee decides on Sunday. The powerful Andalusian branch, meanwhile, announced this week that it wants Socialist deputies to abstain and let Mr Rajoy form a government."

I think the pressure on PSOE to abstain in a vote for a PP government would be quite large.  Over time that is the most likely outcome.

Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.  Of course we will see what takes place tomorrow.  One way or another PSOE will be internally split pretty badly

[Antonio the Sixth]

talking of animal rights, the Catalan bullfighting ban has been overturned

Ugh. On what basis?

Because their statute of autonomy requires them to 'preserve cultural heritage'. Seriously. Also Catalans smell.
The case was, of course, brought by the PPC.

Oh wow. What a load of crap.

[jaichind]

Socialists give go-ahead to Spanish minority government
Madrid (DPA) -- Spain is set to form a government after months of negotiations and two inconclusive elections after the country's Socialists say they will not oppose a minority government headed by the ruling centre-right People's Party.

Rajoy will now get another term as prime minister.

[Antonio the Sixth]

RIP PSOE.

All hail Flawless, Beautiful Pablo .

[Velasco]

RIP PSOE.

All hail Flawless, Beautiful Pablo .

[DavidB.]

talking of animal rights, the Catalan bullfighting ban has been overturned

Ugh. On what basis?

It's a fundamental source of happiness to the Catalans.

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

RIP SPAIN, 1516-2016, FF

[ag]

Idiots. Socialists will have hard time ever governing the rump Spain without Catalonia.

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Did psoe ... Get anything in the deal?