Anti-Semitism in UK Labour megathread

[Hnv1]

I don't think I supported Bibi against Ahmadinejad. This is the first time ever.

[DavidB.]

Call me hysterical, but judging from the denial about modern Labour that some leftists display, I'm starting to see the answer to that eternal question of "why did people turn a blind eye".

Excellent observation. Incomprehensible how people are still defending this.

[America Needs R'hllor]

He was there to remember those killed in the Isreal strike on the PLO in 1985. Non-Story.

God, there are literally pictures proving he was with this wreath at the graves of the terrorists, not at the graces of the Israeli strike victims. You sound exactly like a Trump supporter stubbornly claiming that his crowd size was the yugest ever despite the pictures.

[Intell]

He was there to remember those killed in the Isreal strike on the PLO in 1985. Non-Story.

God, there are literally pictures proving he was with this wreath at the graves of the terrorists, not at the graces of the Israeli strike victims. You sound exactly like a Trump supporter stubbornly claiming that his crowd size was the yugest ever despite the pictures.

I was aware of that, and I am not condoning that whatsoever and that is very problematic and bad, however, him being at that event is not symbolic of him being anti-Semitismitic. Also there is no proof that he was involved in the wreath-laying ceremony, that is not to say he should have been there in the first place, which he shouldn't have been at all. I view this in the same light as his associations with the IRA.

[DavidB.]

I was aware of that, and I am not condoning that whatsoever and that is very problematic and bad, however, him being at that event is not symbolic of him being anti-Semitismitic. Also there is no proof that he was involved in the wreath-laying ceremony, that is not to say he should have been there in the first place, which he shouldn't have been at all. I view this in the same light as his associations with the IRA.

Is this what "not involved" looks like, according to you?

[Silent Hunter]

You'd call this youthful folly if the guy wasn't old enough for his Freedom Pass.

[DC Al Fine]

I was aware of that, and I am not condoning that whatsoever and that is very problematic and bad, however, him being at that event is not symbolic of him being anti-Semitismitic. Also there is no proof that he was involved in the wreath-laying ceremony, that is not to say he should have been there in the first place, which he shouldn't have been at all. I view this in the same light as his associations with the IRA.

Is this what "not involved" looks like, according to you?

Oh FFS, that picture is literally six posts above Intell's statement that there is no proof.

[Intell]

I was aware of that, and I am not condoning that whatsoever and that is very problematic and bad, however, him being at that event is not symbolic of him being anti-Semitismitic. Also there is no proof that he was involved in the wreath-laying ceremony, that is not to say he should have been there in the first place, which he shouldn't have been at all. I view this in the same light as his associations with the IRA.

Is this what "not involved" looks like, according to you?

That is a wreath and he is holding it. This does not prove anything specifically other than the fact that he was in the wreath-laying ceremony but whether he laid the wreath is still unproven. Now that is beside the point, Corbyn should not have been there (wreath laying ceremony), and him being there shows displays of ignorance and poor judgment. There are also questions to whether he thought this was going to be done for the people killed in the Israeli air strike or those involved in Munich Massacre.



Anyway, that is beside the point, this obviously bad, should not be condoned, Corbyn should apologize and say he was in the wrong.

[dead0man]

The fact that this is still a thing and Corbyn isn't out the door already is unfunkingbelievable.  It's crazy how horribly they've handled this entire thing.  And there are still regular people carrying water for them?  It's like you've seen how the world treats Trumpettes and your response is "hold my beer".

[KingSweden]

I mean there’s really no way for Corbyn to explain this in a way he comes out looking good (not to mention his Provo fanboyism). This is Trump-level blinkers when it comes to foreign policy

[Zaybay]

This appears to be a situation with no good exit. I wonder what happens from this point on? Corbyn is unlikely to give up his post, and the Labour party is unlikely to force it, when they are predicted to win the general. But this could also turn moderates voters away from the Labour party, and give the Conservative PM a majority, whoever it is.

[Silent Hunter]

I mean there’s really no way for Corbyn to explain this in a way he comes out looking good (not to mention his Provo fanboyism). This is Trump-level blinkers when it comes to foreign policy

There are two explanations here; he either deliberately laid a wreath on the grave of a suspected terrorist... or he did so by mistake. Neither make him look good.

This is Michael Foot's donkey jacket x10.

[Zaybay]

From the responses Ive seen from Labour party members, Im actually curious if this might have a sort of "Trump effect", with his base getting more and more supportive of Corbyn, and creating an "us vs them" narrative. Its very possible, though I would like to see some polling.

[OSR stands with Israel]

If Theresa May didnt run a terrible campaign in 2017, Corbyn would have definitely not ben an issue today. How she lost a near 20 point lead in one month is stunning

[Silent Hunter]

I decided to ask r/Arabs for a translation of the wreath. Two of them looked at my somewhat pro-Israeli post history and were openly hostile to me. I guess the stereotype about Arabs and hospitality is false.

[Silent Hunter]

If Theresa May didnt run a terrible campaign in 2017, Corbyn would have definitely not ben an issue today. How she lost a near 20 point lead in one month is stunning

If Corbyn had been a better leader, she wouldn't have called an election in 2017.

[Silent Hunter]

People often misquoting the "racist endeavour" line. It's

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Now I'm in favour of a Palestinian state, but I do not approve of the methods used to obtain it and I have no desire to see one created instead of Israel.

[Silent Hunter]

So, #HodgeComparisons on Twitter... I'm glad I left the Labour Party.

[Old Man Willow]

This is one of the most disgusting smear campaigns of all time. It may destroy Corbyn but eventually people just aren't going to care anymore. Seems people forget the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

[America Needs R'hllor]

So, #HodgeComparisons on Twitter... I'm glad I left the Labour Party.

Both main parties been polling over 80% of the vote since last election and i believe it will remain this way, it's a 2 horse race "Labour vs Conservatives",
If we don't vote Labour, the tories will win the next general election...

As much i dislike Corbyn, I don't he's fit to be prime minister, the way he's handling the anti Semitism row is deeply depressing and sad :/

But I dislike the tories more and what they're doing with the NHS, Universal Credit, Windrush, Fracking, Transportation and railway chaos, Brexit chaos, etc...
We must not lose sight, the tories don't deserve to win the next general election...

Well, it's ok to have priorities. For me, the antisemitism is the most important issue, and I'd support the Tories to stop Corbyn.

This is one of the most disgusting smear campaigns of all time. It may destroy Corbyn but eventually people just aren't going to care anymore. Seems people forget the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

If you've been paying attention at all, this is the story of "there are about a thousand wolves here we should panick". Because the examples for antisemitism in Labour and its leader are so numerous that it's pretty hard to follow at this point. Just read anything on this thread, it's so damning that calling it "A WITCH HUNT" is either blinding yourself because you don't want to see the truth about people of your ideology, or outright supporting the disgusting way Labour has been recently treating this issue. Either way, yet another proof that the Jews can never be calm when completely at the mercy of the other people. We just make the perfect boogeymen.

[America Needs R'hllor]

So, #HodgeComparisons on Twitter... I'm glad I left the Labour Party.

Both main parties been polling over 80% of the vote since last election and i believe it will remain this way, it's a 2 horse race "Labour vs Conservatives",
If we don't vote Labour, the tories will win the next general election...

As much i dislike Corbyn, I don't he's fit to be prime minister, the way he's handling the anti Semitism row is deeply depressing and sad :/

But I dislike the tories more and what they're doing with the NHS, Universal Credit, Windrush, Fracking, Transportation and railway chaos, Brexit chaos, etc...
We must not lose sight, the tories don't deserve to win the next general election...

Well, it's ok to have priorities. For me, the antisemitism is the most important issue, and I'd support the Tories to stop Corbyn.

I question my support for Labour all the time, if labour doesn't deal with anti Semitism by next election and the situation gets more dire I'll cast a "Blank Ballot"

I take Anti Semitism very seriously, it's extremely upsetting to me, for personal reasons...

I understand that and respect your choice As I said, it's ok to have different priorities as long as one understands and takes the problem seriously rather than willfully ignoring it. I don't believe that Labour is some evil anti-Jewish party right now, only that the trends are very worrying, so voting for it is legitimate.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

So, #HodgeComparisons on Twitter... I'm glad I left the Labour Party.

Both main parties been polling over 80% of the vote since last election and i believe it will remain this way, it's a 2 horse race "Labour vs Conservatives",
If we don't vote Labour, the tories will win the next general election...

As much i dislike Corbyn, I don't he's fit to be prime minister, the way he's handling the anti Semitism row is deeply depressing and sad :/

But I dislike the tories more and what they're doing with the NHS, Universal Credit, Windrush, Fracking, Transportation and railway chaos, Brexit chaos, etc...
We must not lose sight, the tories don't deserve to win the next general election...

Well, it's ok to have priorities. For me, the antisemitism is the most important issue, and I'd support the Tories to stop Corbyn.

This is one of the most disgusting smear campaigns of all time. It may destroy Corbyn but eventually people just aren't going to care anymore. Seems people forget the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

If you've been paying attention at all, this is the story of "there are about a thousand wolves here we should panick". Because the examples for antisemitism in Labour and its leader are so numerous that it's pretty hard to follow at this point. Just read anything on this thread, it's so damning that calling it "A WITCH HUNT" is either blinding yourself because you don't want to see the truth about people of your ideology, or outright supporting the disgusting way Labour has been recently treating this issue. Either way, yet another proof that the Jews can never be calm when completely at the mercy of the other people. We just make the perfect boogeymen.

No, this is just people who don't like Corbyn crying wolf over and over again.

http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/news/item/statement-on-labours-problem-with-antisemitism-from-the-jewish-socialists-g

[America Needs R'hllor]

So, #HodgeComparisons on Twitter... I'm glad I left the Labour Party.

Both main parties been polling over 80% of the vote since last election and i believe it will remain this way, it's a 2 horse race "Labour vs Conservatives",
If we don't vote Labour, the tories will win the next general election...

As much i dislike Corbyn, I don't he's fit to be prime minister, the way he's handling the anti Semitism row is deeply depressing and sad :/

But I dislike the tories more and what they're doing with the NHS, Universal Credit, Windrush, Fracking, Transportation and railway chaos, Brexit chaos, etc...
We must not lose sight, the tories don't deserve to win the next general election...

Well, it's ok to have priorities. For me, the antisemitism is the most important issue, and I'd support the Tories to stop Corbyn.

This is one of the most disgusting smear campaigns of all time. It may destroy Corbyn but eventually people just aren't going to care anymore. Seems people forget the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

If you've been paying attention at all, this is the story of "there are about a thousand wolves here we should panick". Because the examples for antisemitism in Labour and its leader are so numerous that it's pretty hard to follow at this point. Just read anything on this thread, it's so damning that calling it "A WITCH HUNT" is either blinding yourself because you don't want to see the truth about people of your ideology, or outright supporting the disgusting way Labour has been recently treating this issue. Either way, yet another proof that the Jews can never be calm when completely at the mercy of the other people. We just make the perfect boogeymen.

No, this is just people who don't like Corbyn crying wolf over and over again.

http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/news/item/statement-on-labours-problem-with-antisemitism-from-the-jewish-socialists-g

You can say that as much as you want, but no one provided any rebuttal of substance to the dozens of reports in this thread. Each of these things, like the wreath-laying, the refusal to accept the recognized term for antisemitism, the praise for Jew-murdering terorrorists etc etc might not be enough alone to prove antisemitism alone, but all together, with the fact that Corbyn refused to apologize for all of them and with the hostility many Labour activists and even members displayed for Jews? This is just such an overwhelming, piling amount of evidence that ignoring it is blind. And no, showing Jews defending Labour holds as much water as far-right African American groups, leftists should know better than to use fig leaves to ignore accusations of racism because this is one of the most frequent strategies racists use. Jews can be as willfully blind as every other person for the sake of their ideology, so I'm not surprised that "Jewish Socialists" would defend Corbyn.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

So, #HodgeComparisons on Twitter... I'm glad I left the Labour Party.

Both main parties been polling over 80% of the vote since last election and i believe it will remain this way, it's a 2 horse race "Labour vs Conservatives",
If we don't vote Labour, the tories will win the next general election...

As much i dislike Corbyn, I don't he's fit to be prime minister, the way he's handling the anti Semitism row is deeply depressing and sad :/

But I dislike the tories more and what they're doing with the NHS, Universal Credit, Windrush, Fracking, Transportation and railway chaos, Brexit chaos, etc...
We must not lose sight, the tories don't deserve to win the next general election...

Well, it's ok to have priorities. For me, the antisemitism is the most important issue, and I'd support the Tories to stop Corbyn.

This is one of the most disgusting smear campaigns of all time. It may destroy Corbyn but eventually people just aren't going to care anymore. Seems people forget the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

If you've been paying attention at all, this is the story of "there are about a thousand wolves here we should panick". Because the examples for antisemitism in Labour and its leader are so numerous that it's pretty hard to follow at this point. Just read anything on this thread, it's so damning that calling it "A WITCH HUNT" is either blinding yourself because you don't want to see the truth about people of your ideology, or outright supporting the disgusting way Labour has been recently treating this issue. Either way, yet another proof that the Jews can never be calm when completely at the mercy of the other people. We just make the perfect boogeymen.

No, this is just people who don't like Corbyn crying wolf over and over again.

http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/news/item/statement-on-labours-problem-with-antisemitism-from-the-jewish-socialists-g

You can say that as much as you want, but no one provided any rebuttal of substance to the dozens of reports in this thread. Each of these things, like the wreath-laying, the refusal to accept the recognized term for antisemitism, the praise for Jew-murdering terorrorists etc etc might not be enough alone to prove antisemitism alone, but all together, with the fact that Corbyn refused to apologize for all of them and with the hostility many Labour activists and even members displayed for Jews? This is just such an overwhelming, piling amount of evidence that ignoring it is blind. And no, showing Jews defending Labour holds as much water as far-right African American groups, leftists should know better than to use fig leaves to ignore accusations of racism because this is one of the most frequent strategies racists use. Jews can be as willfully blind as every other person for the sake of their ideology, so I'm not surprised that "Jewish Socialists" would defend Corbyn.

This addresses the term of antisemitism.
https://forward.com/opinion/407456/why-corbyn-s-definition-of-anti-semitism-is-actually-what-jews-need/

Where did he praise Jew murdering terrorists?

The media has always been against Corbyn, so you really shouldn't go by how over the top the coverage is. Claiming that Corbyn is anti-semtitic just makes you look like a bandwagoner here.

[America Needs R'hllor]

So, #HodgeComparisons on Twitter... I'm glad I left the Labour Party.

Both main parties been polling over 80% of the vote since last election and i believe it will remain this way, it's a 2 horse race "Labour vs Conservatives",
If we don't vote Labour, the tories will win the next general election...

As much i dislike Corbyn, I don't he's fit to be prime minister, the way he's handling the anti Semitism row is deeply depressing and sad :/

But I dislike the tories more and what they're doing with the NHS, Universal Credit, Windrush, Fracking, Transportation and railway chaos, Brexit chaos, etc...
We must not lose sight, the tories don't deserve to win the next general election...

Well, it's ok to have priorities. For me, the antisemitism is the most important issue, and I'd support the Tories to stop Corbyn.

This is one of the most disgusting smear campaigns of all time. It may destroy Corbyn but eventually people just aren't going to care anymore. Seems people forget the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

If you've been paying attention at all, this is the story of "there are about a thousand wolves here we should panick". Because the examples for antisemitism in Labour and its leader are so numerous that it's pretty hard to follow at this point. Just read anything on this thread, it's so damning that calling it "A WITCH HUNT" is either blinding yourself because you don't want to see the truth about people of your ideology, or outright supporting the disgusting way Labour has been recently treating this issue. Either way, yet another proof that the Jews can never be calm when completely at the mercy of the other people. We just make the perfect boogeymen.

No, this is just people who don't like Corbyn crying wolf over and over again.

http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/news/item/statement-on-labours-problem-with-antisemitism-from-the-jewish-socialists-g

You can say that as much as you want, but no one provided any rebuttal of substance to the dozens of reports in this thread. Each of these things, like the wreath-laying, the refusal to accept the recognized term for antisemitism, the praise for Jew-murdering terorrorists etc etc might not be enough alone to prove antisemitism alone, but all together, with the fact that Corbyn refused to apologize for all of them and with the hostility many Labour activists and even members displayed for Jews? This is just such an overwhelming, piling amount of evidence that ignoring it is blind. And no, showing Jews defending Labour holds as much water as far-right African American groups, leftists should know better than to use fig leaves to ignore accusations of racism because this is one of the most frequent strategies racists use. Jews can be as willfully blind as every other person for the sake of their ideology, so I'm not surprised that "Jewish Socialists" would defend Corbyn.

This addresses the term of antisemitism.
https://forward.com/opinion/407456/why-corbyn-s-definition-of-anti-semitism-is-actually-what-jews-need/

Where did he praise Jew murdering terrorists?

The media has always been against Corbyn, so you really shouldn't go by how over the top the coverage is. Claiming that Corbyn is anti-semtitic just makes you look like a bandwagoner here.

He called Hamas and Hezbollah 'friends' and later regretted "using that phrase". Also this:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3674146/jeremy-corbyn-faces-fury-after-calling-banned-palestinian-terror-group-hamas-serious-and-hardworking/

Honestly, his comments are so numerous that ignoring it is hilarious. And that's without mentioning the rest of Labour. And c'mon, the moment you start blaming the media for everything you should know you're wrong. Someone who blames the media because they cover too many stories he doesn't like usually has a problem with reality. Will you start calling them "the fake news media" soon? What about "enemies of the people"? Sure, the media isn't nearly perfect but the evidence here is overwhelming, and they're also not pro-Israel at all. In fact, the media constantly peddles anti-Israeli lies and frames stories in an outrageous way, for example, writing that "a Palestinian was killed" in the headline when covering a terror attack by said Palestinian.