Canada Federal Representation 2024

[EastAnglianLefty]

Moving on to Eastern Ontario, there are 15 ridings here (treating the western boundary as Lennox & Addington/Prince Edward County and ignoring the fact that both of those are currently grouped with Hastings County.) Ottawa could be assigned 9 ridings on its own, but it's a little on the small side for that and doing so would mean you couldn't treat Stormont, Dundas & Glengarry on its own. Given the Ottawa municipality includes a fair amount of rural areas, I instead elected to let SDG stand alone (and Renfrew) and to combine Ottawa with areas both to its east and west.




Stormont, Dundas & Glengarry 114637
Prescott-Russell 119838
Orleans 125268
Ottawa South 114435
Ottawa-Vanier 119112
Ottawa Central 121969
Ottawa West-Nepean 112453
Barrhaven 116678
Nepean-Kanata West 116988
Kanata 112992
Renfrew 106365
Lanark 115761 - there should probably be something in this name to acknowledge the bits of Ottawa, but I have no idea what that should be.
Leeds-Grenville 117238
Frontenac-Lennox & Addington-Prince Edward 109932
Kingston 122734

I suspect this map may not be terribly pleasing to Ottawa natives, not least because Ottawa South is a fairly obvious leftovers seat, but in my defence I have no idea what I'm doing.

[Hatman 🍁]

Oh man, basically looks like an anti NDP gerrymander

[The Right Honourable Martin Brian Mulroney PC CC GOQ]

Moving on to Eastern Ontario, there are 15 ridings here (treating the western boundary as Lennox & Addington/Prince Edward County and ignoring the fact that both of those are currently grouped with Hastings County.) Ottawa could be assigned 9 ridings on its own, but it's a little on the small side for that and doing so would mean you couldn't treat Stormont, Dundas & Glengarry on its own. Given the Ottawa municipality includes a fair amount of rural areas, I instead elected to let SDG stand alone (and Renfrew) and to combine Ottawa with areas both to its east and west.




Stormont, Dundas & Glengarry 114637
Prescott-Russell 119838
Orleans 125268
Ottawa South 114435
Ottawa-Vanier 119112
Ottawa Central 121969
Ottawa West-Nepean 112453
Barrhaven 116678
Nepean-Kanata West 116988
Kanata 112992
Renfrew 106365
Lanark 115761 - there should probably be something in this name to acknowledge the bits of Ottawa, but I have no idea what that should be.
Leeds-Grenville 117238
Frontenac-Lennox & Addington-Prince Edward 109932
Kingston 122734

I suspect this map may not be terribly pleasing to Ottawa natives, not least because Ottawa South is a fairly obvious leftovers seat, but in my defence I have no idea what I'm doing.

Yeah, that leftover Ottawa South is a bit of a monstrosity lol. As a general rule of thumb, I would say don't push Ottawa Centre south of the Rideau River into current "Ottawa South" territory, because the general characteristics of downtown Ottawa are more shared with the areas to the west (Hintonburg, Westboro, etc) than the area south of the river (Alta Vista)

[The Right Honourable Martin Brian Mulroney PC CC GOQ]

There's also a "linguistic community" factor in Ottawa. For example, Sandy Hill/Lower Town/Byward Market/University of Ottawa is effectively a continuation of downtown Ottawa. But there's a stronger Francophone presence east of the canal, so throwing that in with historically Anglo Centretown would be a crime against conventional wisdom about Ottawa. Little things like that do need to be considered when drawing up Ottawa.

I'll post my own version in a bit, I'm curious to see how y'all feel about it.

[The Right Honourable Martin Brian Mulroney PC CC GOQ]

This is based on playing around with the current boundaries, which means the colours aren't the best for contrast, but probably easier to get a more accurate map:



Ottawa Centre (Yellow): Same as current, but the small sliver west of Fisher is redistricted away to Ottawa West-Nepean

Ottawa West-Nepean (Light Green): Same as current, with the aforementioned strip from Ottawa Centre added, and a small bit lost to Nepean

Nepean (purple): Not a great name, but oh well. Mainly just loses some land south and west of Barrhaven

Kanata-Carleton (pink): No changes

Ottawa-Vanier (blue): No changes

Prescott-Russell-Cumberland (dark green): Loses North Glengarry (not seen on snip), gains southeastern parts of Orleans

Orleans (pink): In addition to the previously mentioned loss to the PRC riding (unfortunate abbreviation lmao), also loses Blackburn Hamlet and parts of the Greenbelt to Carleton.

Ottawa South (beige): Hard to see the boundary here, damn you ridingbuilder's colour scheme. Slight shift in the southern parts, gaining some territory from Carleton west of the Airport, and losing some to the east

Lanark-Carleton (red): Eastern half of Lanark County (western half taken away, and Smith's Falls given to the Leeds-Grenville riding, not visible on map), plus Stittsville and Richmond Township

Carleton (white): Basically the remainder. Makes up for its loss of Stittsville/Richmond by picking up the outskirts of Nepean, small parts of Ottawa South, and Blackburn Hamlet. Similar rural/suburban mix as the current Carleton riding.

The main thing I'm unhappy about with this redistribution is Blackburn Hamlet, which is isolated from most of Carleton. Also, South Barrhaven is cut up a little arbitrarily to meet population quota. Apart from that, I think this map makes sense for Ottawa.

[Hatman 🍁]

Guys, we've already figured out Ottawa. Look at Krago's map!

Anyway, because I enjoy giving arbitrary geographical shapes names, here are my suggestions for EastAnglianLefty's map

Stormont, Dundas & Glengarry -> Stormont-Dundas-Glengarry
Prescott-Russell -> Prescott-Russell-Osgoode or Prescott-Russell-Carleton
Orleans -> Orleans-Cumberland
Ottawa South -> Ottawa South-Gloucester
Ottawa-Vanier -> good as is.
Ottawa Central -> Ottawa Centre or Ottawa Centre-Alta Vista. As others mentioned, Alta Vista plus downtown is a weird mix, but it works for me as an Alta Vista resident
Ottawa West-Nepean -> Fine as is Actually, you now have two ridings that can conceivably be called this (Nepean-Kanata also has a large chunk of Old Ottawa), so maybe Nepean-Kitchissippi, or something generic like Ottawa-Rideau.
Barrhaven -> Barrhaven-Riverside South
Nepean-Kanata West -> Nepean-Britannia-Bridlewood. This does not contain the west part of Kanata, but I suspect that's just a typo.
Kanata -> Kanata-Stittsville
Renfrew -> Renfrew Pembroke
Lanark -> Lanark-Carleton (when in doubt, the any leftover rural bits in Ottawa can just be called "Carleton")
Leeds-Grenville -> good as is, or maybe Leeds-Grenville-Smiths Falls
Frontenac-Lennox & Addington-Prince Edward -> Prince Edward-Frontenac-Lennox and Addingston. This might be too long though. Frontenac-Adddington-Bay of Quinte might work as an alternative.
Kingston -> good as is.

[EastAnglianLefty]

Oh man, basically looks like an anti NDP gerrymander

The Eastern Ontario one or the Northern Ontario one? I wasn't aware the federal NDP really had any vaguely competitive seats in eastern Ontario these days.

[EastAnglianLefty]

Rather than sharing more bad Ontario maps, I've taken a look at BC, where I think there might be some value in considering alternatives to Krago's map.

The big difference is that rather than combining Mission with Similkameen and the Sunshine Coast with the Fraser Canyon, I kept the Sunshine Coast with West Vancouver and created a riding stretching from Squamish to Lake Shuswap. Which is undoubtedly extremely ugly, but does allow for some reasonably neat seats in the SE of the province.

I also had seven seats entirely on Vancouver Island, created an entirely urban Abbotsford seat and separated Surrey and Langley.

South East BC



Kootenay-Columbia 109092
Okanagan-West Kootenay 110300
West Kelowna-Penticton 113637
Kelowna 126782
Vernon-Kelowna 121945
Squamish-Lilloet-Thompson 117012
Kamloops-North Thompson 118045

I quite like West Kelowna-Penticton and think not having a riding crossing Lake Kelowna is an improvement, but YMMV. As discussed, Squamish etc. is a bit unwieldy. Possibly it could be made less so with a split of Kamloops, but that doesn't seem desirable in the abstract.

North BC



Cariboo-Prince George 108872
Prince George-Peace River-Northern Rockies 117495
Skeena-Bulkley Valley 98087 - only riding more than 10% from the quota

Not much change here - just a few minor tweaks to create what look to me like stronger boundaries, but probably don't to a local.

Vancouver Island





North Island 127237
Alberni-Parksville-Nanaimo 109303
Nanaimo-Ladysmith 110137
Sooke-Langford-Cowichan Valley 121311
Esquimalt-Saanich-Colwood 116731
Victoria 125302
Saanich-Gulf Islands 125619

In theory I suppose North Island could take in the bits of Mt Waddington and Strathcona across the strait. Shuffling the ridings north could also avoid splitting Nanaimo.

Metro Vancouver







Delta 110721
Richmond East-Queensborough 110149
Richmond West 110771
Vancouver South 109339
Vancouver Kingsway 108717
Vancouver East 104874
Vancouver Granville 123155
Vancouver Quadra 118658
Vancouver Central 117447
West Vancouver-Sunshine Coast-Powell River 110634
North Vancouver 125061
Burnaby North-Seymour 116907
Burnaby West 108028
New Westminster-Burnaby 116398
Port Moody-Coquitlam 123628
Coquitlam-Port Coquitlam 123229
Pitt Meadows-Maple Ridge 110416
Fleetwood-Port Kells 122381
Surrey Central 115731
Surrey Newton 126009
Cloverdale-Sullivan 113924
South Surrey-White Rock 112449

I think it may technically possible to get two ridings out of Richmond which are both within 10%, but I figured treating Lulu Island as a unit wasn't that bad and made things much neater. I quite like my Vancouver Central, which is everything north of False Creek and west of Main Street. Not convinced I got the boundary right between Quadra and Granville. Cloverdale-Sullivan may very well be a terrible name. Apologies if so.

Fraser Valley



Langley-Walnut Grove 127751
Abbotsford 122308
Mission-Aldergrove-Fort Langley 113498
Chilliwack-Hope 122593

I like the version of Abbotsford I came up with, but I suspect Canadians would rather bisect it to improve the Mission seat?

[Hatman 🍁]

Oh man, basically looks like an anti NDP gerrymander

The Eastern Ontario one or the Northern Ontario one? I wasn't aware the federal NDP really had any vaguely competitive seats in eastern Ontario these days.

Ottawa, specifically. The NDP is "competitive" in Ottawa Centre, but your map makes it impossible by splitting the central city from the hipster-ish neighbourhoods to its west, like Hintonburg and Westboro.

[emmettmark]

Delta 110721
Richmond East-Queensborough 110149
Richmond West 110771
Vancouver South 109339
Vancouver Kingsway 108717
Vancouver East 104874
Vancouver Granville 123155
Vancouver Quadra 118658
Vancouver Central 117447
West Vancouver-Sunshine Coast-Powell River 110634
North Vancouver 125061
Burnaby North-Seymour 116907
Burnaby West 108028
New Westminster-Burnaby 116398
Port Moody-Coquitlam 123628
Coquitlam-Port Coquitlam 123229
Pitt Meadows-Maple Ridge 110416
Fleetwood-Port Kells 122381
Surrey Central 115731
Surrey Newton 126009
Cloverdale-Sullivan 113924
South Surrey-White Rock 112449

I think it may technically possible to get two ridings out of Richmond which are both within 10%, but I figured treating Lulu Island as a unit wasn't that bad and made things much neater. I quite like my Vancouver Central, which is everything north of False Creek and west of Main Street. Not convinced I got the boundary right between Quadra and Granville. Cloverdale-Sullivan may very well be a terrible name. Apologies if so.

Fraser Valley

Langley-Walnut Grove 127751
Abbotsford 122308
Mission-Aldergrove-Fort Langley 113498
Chilliwack-Hope 122593

I like the version of Abbotsford I came up with, but I suspect Canadians would rather bisect it to improve the Mission seat?

I've been waiting for someone to do a deeper analysis of BC, (my home province), awesome job! - I was born and raised in Richmond, and think treating the entirety of Lulu island as an entity is feasible, (we also have a provincial riding of Richmond - Queensborough)

The one riding that has always upset everyone, is Burnaby - North Seymour, due to the complete lack of a community of interest. Though, it's very difficult to create a map that avoids the creation of this constituency - you'd have to play around with the Port Moody/Coquitlam/Maple Ridge area, per Krago's original proposal.

And yes, I doubt there would be the creation of an 'urban Abbotsford' seat - The current City of Abbotsford was amalgamated in 1995 from the District Municipality of Abbotsford, and the  District of Matsqui - the current borders between Abbotsford and Mission-Matsqui-Fraser Canyon, reflect pre-amalgamation Abbotsford.

[emmettmark]

2022-2023 Vancouver Redistribution Proposals

Vancouver is often described as a 'city of neighborhoods,' yet current federal riding boundaries do an incredibly poor job of respecting communities of interest.

Ridings like Vancouver Granville that attempt to combine apartments in Fairview, and mega-mansions in Kerrisdale/Shaughnessy, aside from being contained within 'major arterial streets' per the 2012 commission, make little sense.

Likewise, I've created a plan that splits only 2 city-defined neighborhoods, respects communities of interest within Vancouver, and uses Main Street as an 'East-West' divider.

Unfortunately unable to post link (yet!), but a map of Vancouver zoning/defined neighborhoods can be easily found online.

Vancouver Centre - 112302
Neighborhoods: Downtown (minus Gastown/Eastside), West End

Vancouver University - 111278
Neighborhoods: University Endowment Lands, Musqueam Reserve No. 2, West Point Grey, Kitsilano, Fairview

Vancouver Southwest - 112854
Neighborhoods: Dunbar-Southlands, Arbutus Ridge, Shaughnessy, South Cambie, Riley Park (west of Main St), Kerrisdale, Oakridge, Marpole (west of Oak St)

Vancouver South - 110706
Neighborhoods: Marpole (east of Oak St), Sunset, Victoria-Fraserview, Killarney

Vancouver Kingsway - 114840
Neighborhoods: Renfrew-Collingwood, Kensington-Cedar Cottage, Riley Park (east of Main St)

Vancouver East - 120210
Neighborhoods: Downtown Eastside/Gastown, Strathcona, Grandview-Woodland, Hastings-Sunrise, Mount Pleasant

Though if current population trends persist, I predict that Vancouver will drop to 5.5 or 5 ridings in the 2030s? Revive Vancouver South - Burnaby perhaps?

[EastAnglianLefty]

Delta 110721
Richmond East-Queensborough 110149
Richmond West 110771
Vancouver South 109339
Vancouver Kingsway 108717
Vancouver East 104874
Vancouver Granville 123155
Vancouver Quadra 118658
Vancouver Central 117447
West Vancouver-Sunshine Coast-Powell River 110634
North Vancouver 125061
Burnaby North-Seymour 116907
Burnaby West 108028
New Westminster-Burnaby 116398
Port Moody-Coquitlam 123628
Coquitlam-Port Coquitlam 123229
Pitt Meadows-Maple Ridge 110416
Fleetwood-Port Kells 122381
Surrey Central 115731
Surrey Newton 126009
Cloverdale-Sullivan 113924
South Surrey-White Rock 112449

I think it may technically possible to get two ridings out of Richmond which are both within 10%, but I figured treating Lulu Island as a unit wasn't that bad and made things much neater. I quite like my Vancouver Central, which is everything north of False Creek and west of Main Street. Not convinced I got the boundary right between Quadra and Granville. Cloverdale-Sullivan may very well be a terrible name. Apologies if so.

Fraser Valley

Langley-Walnut Grove 127751
Abbotsford 122308
Mission-Aldergrove-Fort Langley 113498
Chilliwack-Hope 122593

I like the version of Abbotsford I came up with, but I suspect Canadians would rather bisect it to improve the Mission seat?

I've been waiting for someone to do a deeper analysis of BC, (my home province), awesome job! - I was born and raised in Richmond, and think treating the entirety of Lulu island as an entity is feasible, (we also have a provincial riding of Richmond - Queensborough)

The one riding that has always upset everyone, is Burnaby - North Seymour, due to the complete lack of a community of interest. Though, it's very difficult to create a map that avoids the creation of this constituency - you'd have to play around with the Port Moody/Coquitlam/Maple Ridge area, per Krago's original proposal.

And yes, I doubt there would be the creation of an 'urban Abbotsford' seat - The current City of Abbotsford was amalgamated in 1995 from the District Municipality of Abbotsford, and the  District of Matsqui - the current borders between Abbotsford and Mission-Matsqui-Fraser Canyon, reflect pre-amalgamation Abbotsford.

Yes, Burnaby North-Seymour seems like a terrible riding, particularly since the bridge connecting the two halves isn't even in the riding at the Vancouver End. I left it be to avoid disrupting everything else, but it is clearly not good.

North Van, West Van and the Sunshine Coast is 234277 people, which is ideal for 2 ridings. Burnaby, New Westminster, Coquitlam, Port Moody, Port Coquitlam and Anmore are 563915 people without Queensborough or 574898 with. That's doable for 5 ridings, so I'll look into that and see what can be done without disrupting literally everything else.

[EastAnglianLefty]

Delta 110721
Richmond East-Queensborough 110149
Richmond West 110771
Vancouver South 109339
Vancouver Kingsway 108717
Vancouver East 104874
Vancouver Granville 123155
Vancouver Quadra 118658
Vancouver Central 117447
West Vancouver-Sunshine Coast-Powell River 110634
North Vancouver 125061
Burnaby North-Seymour 116907
Burnaby West 108028
New Westminster-Burnaby 116398
Port Moody-Coquitlam 123628
Coquitlam-Port Coquitlam 123229
Pitt Meadows-Maple Ridge 110416
Fleetwood-Port Kells 122381
Surrey Central 115731
Surrey Newton 126009
Cloverdale-Sullivan 113924
South Surrey-White Rock 112449

I think it may technically possible to get two ridings out of Richmond which are both within 10%, but I figured treating Lulu Island as a unit wasn't that bad and made things much neater. I quite like my Vancouver Central, which is everything north of False Creek and west of Main Street. Not convinced I got the boundary right between Quadra and Granville. Cloverdale-Sullivan may very well be a terrible name. Apologies if so.

Fraser Valley

Langley-Walnut Grove 127751
Abbotsford 122308
Mission-Aldergrove-Fort Langley 113498
Chilliwack-Hope 122593

I like the version of Abbotsford I came up with, but I suspect Canadians would rather bisect it to improve the Mission seat?

I've been waiting for someone to do a deeper analysis of BC, (my home province), awesome job! - I was born and raised in Richmond, and think treating the entirety of Lulu island as an entity is feasible, (we also have a provincial riding of Richmond - Queensborough)

The one riding that has always upset everyone, is Burnaby - North Seymour, due to the complete lack of a community of interest. Though, it's very difficult to create a map that avoids the creation of this constituency - you'd have to play around with the Port Moody/Coquitlam/Maple Ridge area, per Krago's original proposal.

And yes, I doubt there would be the creation of an 'urban Abbotsford' seat - The current City of Abbotsford was amalgamated in 1995 from the District Municipality of Abbotsford, and the  District of Matsqui - the current borders between Abbotsford and Mission-Matsqui-Fraser Canyon, reflect pre-amalgamation Abbotsford.

Yes, Burnaby North-Seymour seems like a terrible riding, particularly since the bridge connecting the two halves isn't even in the riding at the Vancouver End. I left it be to avoid disrupting everything else, but it is clearly not good.

North Van, West Van and the Sunshine Coast is 234277 people, which is ideal for 2 ridings. Burnaby, New Westminster, Coquitlam, Port Moody, Port Coquitlam and Anmore are 563915 people without Queensborough or 574898 with. That's doable for 5 ridings, so I'll look into that and see what can be done without disrupting literally everything else.

EDIT: Looks like it comes down to a question of what to do with the qathet RD. You could put it with Vancouver Island for 7 large ridings, or add it to Skeena-Bulkley Valley to get the latter within 10%. I take it a commission would be unlikely to consider the latter?

[emmettmark]

EDIT: Looks like it comes down to a question of what to do with the qathet RD. You could put it with Vancouver Island for 7 large ridings, or add it to Skeena-Bulkley Valley to get the latter within 10%. I take it a commission would be unlikely to consider the latter?
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Hmmm - the main issue with electoral redistribution in Canada is that we try to achieve three objectives:

1. Keep all ridings close to the same population quotient
2. Ensure sparsely populated rural ridings are of manageable size for elected legislators
3. Keep the number of elected legislators in the chamber to a reasonable number

The challenge being, a country like Canada has densely population urban areas near the American border, and huge expanses of rural territory everywhere else --- We can only realistically expect to achieve 2/3 of these objectives, and oftentimes, keeping ridings to the same population quotient is abandoned. (I'd personally rather see Canada greatly expand the number of House of Commons seats, but that's unlikely to happen).

To complicate things further, there is a commission convention of 'collective rights' that protect ridings with concentrated indigenous populations (ex. Skeena - Bulkley Valley), and official language minority communities in certain provinces, (ex. English in Quebec, French in Ontario/Manitoba/New Brunswick/Nova Scotia). What also might be seen soon, is the extension of protected seats towards visible minority communities at large (ex. see 'Preston' in the recent Nova Scotia provincial redistribution).

Regarding 'Qathet RD,' it would make sense for it to be added to Skeena-Bulkley Valley to bring it closer to population equity. However, both Qathet RD and the Sunshine Coast RD, (which collectively create the 'Sunshine Coast'), are not accessible by outside road from the BC interior/north, and can only be accessed through ferry from West Vancouver and/or Vancouver Island.

Another challenge is that Skeena - Bulkley Valley is already incredibly difficult to represent, due to numerous remote fly-in communities, and the lack of transportation infrastructure for an elected MP to be accessible (aside from videoconferencing).

My gut feeling would be to put Quathet RD/Powell River, back in the North Island district, and allow Skeena-Bulkley Valley to remain below quotient, considering high population growth on the North Shore/Sunshine Coast. However, this might have unintended consequences on Vancouver Island - it would be unfortunate if the Courtenay-Comox community of interest was split again, like it was in the 2012 redistribution.

FYI, a BC that is allotted 43-45 ridings is much easier to split up across communities of interest

[emmettmark]

Yes, Burnaby North-Seymour seems like a terrible riding, particularly since the bridge connecting the two halves isn't even in the riding at the Vancouver End. I left it be to avoid disrupting everything else, but it is clearly not good.

North Van, West Van and the Sunshine Coast is 234277 people, which is ideal for 2 ridings. Burnaby, New Westminster, Coquitlam, Port Moody, Port Coquitlam and Anmore are 563915 people without Queensborough or 574898 with. That's doable for 5 ridings, so I'll look into that and see what can be done without disrupting literally everything else.
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Preach! If only we lived in small, quotient specific boxes of territory hahaha

Hmmm, you might want to consider a broadly (I've not yet put this into mapping software to figure out populations)

1. New Westminster - Burnaby (with or without Queensborough)

2. North Burnaby - Port Moody/Anmore/Belcara

3. Burnaby South/Burnaby West

4. Coquitlam Centre

5. Port Coquitlam - North Coquitlam

Alternatively, you take inspiration from the 'Burquitlam' community of interest (border area between Coquitlam and Burnaby), or the 'New Westminster - Coquitlam' community of interest (created by BC redistribution commission in 2003)

[King of Kensington]

2022-2023 Vancouver Redistribution Proposals

Vancouver is often described as a 'city of neighborhoods,' yet current federal riding boundaries do an incredibly poor job of respecting communities of interest.

Ridings like Vancouver Granville that attempt to combine apartments in Fairview, and mega-mansions in Kerrisdale/Shaughnessy, aside from being contained within 'major arterial streets' per the 2012 commission, make little sense.

Likewise, I've created a plan that splits only 2 city-defined neighborhoods, respects communities of interest within Vancouver, and uses Main Street as an 'East-West' divider.

Unfortunately unable to post link (yet!), but a map of Vancouver zoning/defined neighborhoods can be easily found online.

Vancouver Centre - 112302
Neighborhoods: Downtown (minus Gastown/Eastside), West End

Vancouver University - 111278
Neighborhoods: University Endowment Lands, Musqueam Reserve No. 2, West Point Grey, Kitsilano, Fairview

Vancouver Southwest - 112854
Neighborhoods: Dunbar-Southlands, Arbutus Ridge, Shaughnessy, South Cambie, Riley Park (west of Main St), Kerrisdale, Oakridge, Marpole (west of Oak St)

Vancouver South - 110706
Neighborhoods: Marpole (east of Oak St), Sunset, Victoria-Fraserview, Killarney

Vancouver Kingsway - 114840
Neighborhoods: Renfrew-Collingwood, Kensington-Cedar Cottage, Riley Park (east of Main St)

Vancouver East - 120210
Neighborhoods: Downtown Eastside/Gastown, Strathcona, Grandview-Woodland, Hastings-Sunrise, Mount Pleasant

Though if current population trends persist, I predict that Vancouver will drop to 5.5 or 5 ridings in the 2030s? Revive Vancouver South - Burnaby perhaps?

So split the West Side of Vancouver on north/south rather than east/west lines?  Rather than Point Grey+Quilchena (Quadra) and Langara+Fairview (Granville) you have Point Grey+Fairview and Langara+Quilchena (more or less).

[emmettmark]

2022-2023 Vancouver Redistribution Proposals

Vancouver is often described as a 'city of neighborhoods,' yet current federal riding boundaries do an incredibly poor job of respecting communities of interest.

Ridings like Vancouver Granville that attempt to combine apartments in Fairview, and mega-mansions in Kerrisdale/Shaughnessy, aside from being contained within 'major arterial streets' per the 2012 commission, make little sense.

Likewise, I've created a plan that splits only 2 city-defined neighborhoods, respects communities of interest within Vancouver, and uses Main Street as an 'East-West' divider.

Unfortunately unable to post link (yet!), but a map of Vancouver zoning/defined neighborhoods can be easily found online.

Vancouver Centre - 112302
Neighborhoods: Downtown (minus Gastown/Eastside), West End

Vancouver University - 111278
Neighborhoods: University Endowment Lands, Musqueam Reserve No. 2, West Point Grey, Kitsilano, Fairview

Vancouver Southwest - 112854
Neighborhoods: Dunbar-Southlands, Arbutus Ridge, Shaughnessy, South Cambie, Riley Park (west of Main St), Kerrisdale, Oakridge, Marpole (west of Oak St)

Vancouver South - 110706
Neighborhoods: Marpole (east of Oak St), Sunset, Victoria-Fraserview, Killarney

Vancouver Kingsway - 114840
Neighborhoods: Renfrew-Collingwood, Kensington-Cedar Cottage, Riley Park (east of Main St)

Vancouver East - 120210
Neighborhoods: Downtown Eastside/Gastown, Strathcona, Grandview-Woodland, Hastings-Sunrise, Mount Pleasant

Though if current population trends persist, I predict that Vancouver will drop to 5.5 or 5 ridings in the 2030s? Revive Vancouver South - Burnaby perhaps?

So split the West Side of Vancouver on north/south rather than east/west lines?  Rather than Point Grey+Quilchena (Quadra) and Langara+Fairview (Granville) you have Point Grey+Fairview and Langara+Quilchena (more or less).

Yes absolutely! As a Vancouverite/Richmondite, it's always irked me how federal ridings were drawn in both cities. Especially because there are clear communities of interest *already codified into civic planning/community development strategies, and explicitly clear patterns of neighborhood planning.*

Ie - Fairview/Kitsilano/Point Grey are 'younger' with higher overall population densities and development, whereas Langara/Quilchena/Dunbar/Arbutus etc, are predominantly single-family detached dwellings. No sense that these two clear urban groups are bisected across two federal ridings. It's even evident from the size of polling divisions.

I'll post some links once I finish the 20-post probationary period on this forum, but the North-South divide in the City of Vancouver is sometimes forgotten!

Most people are aware of the East-West divide in Vancouver (Main Street/'million dollar line'), but the North-South differences (culturally, economically etc), date back to pre-1929 amalgamation in Vancouver, where the city of Vancouver existed above West 16th st, and the former cities of Point Grey and South Vancouver, predominantly were below it.

I'd argue that West 16th St, (and W King Edward St to an extent), are clear markers of a North-South Divide in Vancouver, and the current Quadra+Granville configuration makes very little sense. Hoping the commission makes this correction during this redistribution cycle!

[King of Kensington]

In other words, you get a University-Rosedale-type riding and a Don Valley West-type riding.

[Krago]

My website finally broke 10,000 views!  And only half of them are from me!

bit.ly/Canada343

Now with new alternatives in Halton Region.

[Continential]

I have a question, will the redistricting tool have election data for those wanting to create gerrymanders?

[emmettmark]

My website finally broke 10,000 views!  And only half of them are from me!

Now with new alternatives in Belleville and Halton Region.

It's a great site! Definitely agree with many of the choices you made, and would be surprised if the commissions deviate greatly from what you proposed

[King of Kensington]

Would the Tories have a shot with a federal Langara-Quilchena riding?  My guess is there would be a lot of blue patches but the Liberals would still have won the most recent elections.

[emmettmark]

Would the Tories have a shot with a federal Langara-Quilchena riding?  My guess is there would be a lot of blue patches but the Liberals would still have won the most recent elections.

A federal Langara-Quilchena type riding (aka Dunbar, Arbutus, Shaughnessy, Oakridge, Marpole), I would assume to be somewhat Conservative leaning, because those areas are predominantly zoned for single-family dwellings on large lots. Good representation of the 'high-income' neighborhoods of Vancouver that are contrasted with other neighborhoods.

Would have to crunch the numbers on stats, but demographically/neighborhood wise, it would probably be analogous to a 'BC/western' version of Toronto St Paul's or Eglinton-Lawrence. My best guess would that it would have gone CPC in 2011 and 2019, but LPC in 2015?

It's also the site of voting strength for the centre-right BC Liberals, and the municipal NPA. A strong fit for 'Red Tory - Lawyer/educated professional' candidates.

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EDIT: Looks like it comes down to a question of what to do with the qathet RD. You could put it with Vancouver Island for 7 large ridings, or add it to Skeena-Bulkley Valley to get the latter within 10%. I take it a commission would be unlikely to consider the latter?

Hmmm - the main issue with electoral redistribution in Canada is that we try to achieve three objectives:

1. Keep all ridings close to the same population quotient
2. Ensure sparsely populated rural ridings are of manageable size for elected legislators
3. Keep the number of elected legislators in the chamber to a reasonable number

The challenge being, a country like Canada has densely population urban areas near the American border, and huge expanses of rural territory everywhere else --- We can only realistically expect to achieve 2/3 of these objectives, and oftentimes, keeping ridings to the same population quotient is abandoned. (I'd personally rather see Canada greatly expand the number of House of Commons seats, but that's unlikely to happen).

To complicate things further, there is a commission convention of 'collective rights' that protect ridings with concentrated indigenous populations (ex. Skeena - Bulkley Valley), and official language minority communities in certain provinces, (ex. English in Quebec, French in Ontario/Manitoba/New Brunswick/Nova Scotia). What also might be seen soon, is the extension of protected seats towards visible minority communities at large (ex. see 'Preston' in the recent Nova Scotia provincial redistribution).

Regarding 'Qathet RD,' it would make sense for it to be added to Skeena-Bulkley Valley to bring it closer to population equity. However, both Qathet RD and the Sunshine Coast RD, (which collectively create the 'Sunshine Coast'), are not accessible by outside road from the BC interior/north, and can only be accessed through ferry from West Vancouver and/or Vancouver Island.

Another challenge is that Skeena - Bulkley Valley is already incredibly difficult to represent, due to numerous remote fly-in communities, and the lack of transportation infrastructure for an elected MP to be accessible (aside from videoconferencing).

My gut feeling would be to put Quathet RD/Powell River, back in the North Island district, and allow Skeena-Bulkley Valley to remain below quotient, considering high population growth on the North Shore/Sunshine Coast. However, this might have unintended consequences on Vancouver Island - it would be unfortunate if the Courtenay-Comox community of interest was split again, like it was in the 2012 redistribution.

FYI, a BC that is allotted 43-45 ridings is much easier to split up across communities of interest
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Qathet RD, Powell River, Mt Waddington RD, Strathcona RD, Comox Valley RD, Courtenay and Comox is a little over 150000 people, so unfortunately that means you can't really avoid splitting Courtenay from Comox.

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EDIT: Looks like it comes down to a question of what to do with the qathet RD. You could put it with Vancouver Island for 7 large ridings, or add it to Skeena-Bulkley Valley to get the latter within 10%. I take it a commission would be unlikely to consider the latter?

Hmmm - the main issue with electoral redistribution in Canada is that we try to achieve three objectives:

1. Keep all ridings close to the same population quotient
2. Ensure sparsely populated rural ridings are of manageable size for elected legislators
3. Keep the number of elected legislators in the chamber to a reasonable number

The challenge being, a country like Canada has densely population urban areas near the American border, and huge expanses of rural territory everywhere else --- We can only realistically expect to achieve 2/3 of these objectives, and oftentimes, keeping ridings to the same population quotient is abandoned. (I'd personally rather see Canada greatly expand the number of House of Commons seats, but that's unlikely to happen).

To complicate things further, there is a commission convention of 'collective rights' that protect ridings with concentrated indigenous populations (ex. Skeena - Bulkley Valley), and official language minority communities in certain provinces, (ex. English in Quebec, French in Ontario/Manitoba/New Brunswick/Nova Scotia). What also might be seen soon, is the extension of protected seats towards visible minority communities at large (ex. see 'Preston' in the recent Nova Scotia provincial redistribution).

Regarding 'Qathet RD,' it would make sense for it to be added to Skeena-Bulkley Valley to bring it closer to population equity. However, both Qathet RD and the Sunshine Coast RD, (which collectively create the 'Sunshine Coast'), are not accessible by outside road from the BC interior/north, and can only be accessed through ferry from West Vancouver and/or Vancouver Island.

Another challenge is that Skeena - Bulkley Valley is already incredibly difficult to represent, due to numerous remote fly-in communities, and the lack of transportation infrastructure for an elected MP to be accessible (aside from videoconferencing).

My gut feeling would be to put Quathet RD/Powell River, back in the North Island district, and allow Skeena-Bulkley Valley to remain below quotient, considering high population growth on the North Shore/Sunshine Coast. However, this might have unintended consequences on Vancouver Island - it would be unfortunate if the Courtenay-Comox community of interest was split again, like it was in the 2012 redistribution.

FYI, a BC that is allotted 43-45 ridings is much easier to split up across communities of interest

Qathet RD, Powell River, Mt Waddington RD, Strathcona RD, Comox Valley RD, Courtenay and Comox is a little over 150000 people, so unfortunately that means you can't really avoid splitting Courtenay from Comox.
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Ah that's a shame / I definitely remember reading there was a tussle over Powell River being added to a Vancouver Island riding, and separating it from the rest of the Sunshine Coast.

Perhaps the least disruptive would be to add Qathet RD to Skeena Bulkley Valley, or split Courtenay + Comox? I'm assuming the North/West Vancouver ridings are already pushing the population boundaries.