Israel-Gaza war

[It’s so Joever]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna120272

An independent UN investigation may be needed at this point. These are extremely serious claims and HRW is not some fringe organization.

[Aurelius2]

Bombing hospitals is psychotic.

Hamas intentionally uses hospitals and schools as rocket launch sites, weapons caches, and bunkers precisely because they know people will react this way (and that the IDF will be much more reluctant to take out these military resources).  Even their military headquarters is located within a hospital. Israel can't just throw up their hands and refuse to do anything about this because of where Hamas puts their bases and resources. That's why Israel is telling this hospital to evacuate - it's home to a major weapons cache that they plan to eliminate. Using civilians as human shields in this way is absolutely central to Hamas strategy and everyone sufficiently familiar with the conflict knows this.

Using civilians as human shields is also extremely illegal under international law, yet I don't think the UN has ever once condemned Hamas for it, despite their constant condemnations of Israel. This doesn't really matter to me because I know UN public diplomacy related to this conflict is a total farce, but many people's perceptions are influenced by it so unfortunately it does matter in the broader picture.

[Saint Milei]

This was isn't good for my health at all. Mainly because I have to see so many Ben Shapiro videos. Ben Shapiro is an evil man.

[It’s so Joever]

Bombing hospitals is psychotic.

Hamas intentionally uses hospitals and schools as rocket launch sites, weapons caches, and bunkers precisely because they know people will react this way (and that the IDF will be much more reluctant to take out these military resources).  Even their military headquarters is located within a hospital. Israel can't just throw up their hands and refuse to do anything about this because of where Hamas puts their bases and resources. That's why Israel is telling this hospital to evacuate - it's home to a major weapons cache that they plan to eliminate. Using civilians as human shields in this way is absolutely central to Hamas strategy and everyone sufficiently familiar with the conflict knows this.

Using civilians as human shields is also extremely illegal under international law, yet I don't think the UN has ever once condemned Hamas for it, despite their constant condemnations of Israel. This doesn't really matter to me because I know UN public diplomacy related to this conflict is a total farce, but many people's perceptions are influenced by it so unfortunately it does matter in the broader picture.

[OSR stands with Israel]

This was isn't good for my health at all. Mainly because I have to see so many Ben Shapiro videos. Ben Shapiro is an evil man.

Ben Shapiro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tucker Carlson

[BG-NY]

Please don't go full BG-NY...

You can oppose terrorism and oppose foreign aid.

[Aurelius2]

Bombing hospitals is psychotic.

Hamas intentionally uses hospitals and schools as rocket launch sites, weapons caches, and bunkers precisely because they know people will react this way (and that the IDF will be much more reluctant to take out these military resources).  Even their military headquarters is located within a hospital. Israel can't just throw up their hands and refuse to do anything about this because of where Hamas puts their bases and resources. That's why Israel is telling this hospital to evacuate - it's home to a major weapons cache that they plan to eliminate. Using civilians as human shields in this way is absolutely central to Hamas strategy and everyone sufficiently familiar with the conflict knows this.

Using civilians as human shields is also extremely illegal under international law, yet I don't think the UN has ever once condemned Hamas for it, despite their constant condemnations of Israel. This doesn't really matter to me because I know UN public diplomacy related to this conflict is a total farce, but many people's perceptions are influenced by it so unfortunately it does matter in the broader picture.

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When someone has a rocket launch site operating out of a hospital and they keep shooting rockets at you and killing your citizens, should your military just sit there and not doing anything about it? That would be not caring about your citizens.

[It’s so Joever]

Bombing hospitals is psychotic.

Hamas intentionally uses hospitals and schools as rocket launch sites, weapons caches, and bunkers precisely because they know people will react this way (and that the IDF will be much more reluctant to take out these military resources).  Even their military headquarters is located within a hospital. Israel can't just throw up their hands and refuse to do anything about this because of where Hamas puts their bases and resources. That's why Israel is telling this hospital to evacuate - it's home to a major weapons cache that they plan to eliminate. Using civilians as human shields in this way is absolutely central to Hamas strategy and everyone sufficiently familiar with the conflict knows this.

Using civilians as human shields is also extremely illegal under international law, yet I don't think the UN has ever once condemned Hamas for it, despite their constant condemnations of Israel. This doesn't really matter to me because I know UN public diplomacy related to this conflict is a total farce, but many people's perceptions are influenced by it so unfortunately it does matter in the broader picture.

When someone has a rocket launch site operating out of a hospital and they keep shooting rockets at you and killing your citizens, should your military just sit there and not doing anything about it?

No but that doesn’t change the fact it’s a cynical loss of human life and countless innocents and I’m not going to play some moral high ground bulls**t while doing it.

Now how about Israel stops diverting all the military to protect invading extremists in West Bank next time?

[Middle-aged Europe]

It's a difficult situation. I understand that due to Israeli military action there's a humanitarian crisis in the making in Gaza. On the other hand, given how far Hamas has crossed the line, I also understand the Israeli desire to settle this once and for all now. So the impending ground offensive conveys the feeling of certain historical inevitability. To quote Ambassador Kosh: "The avalanche has already started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote." One can only hope for a quick Israeli victory, instead of a prolonged bloodbath. America appears to try to be a moderating influence, so that's a ray of hope. Imagine Trump being in charge right now, spouting off his usual nonsense.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

I hope people don't still take the "human shields" argument at face value. Should have lost traction right around the time they bombed Red Crescent workers after briefly ceasing bombing to let them rescue wounded civilians.

[Velasco]

 Addressing the humanitarian crisis in Gaza requires more decisive action, in order to restrain the Israeli government to take revenge on the Gaza population. It is monstrous to tell one million of Gazans to flee, in what looks like the prelude to a massive ethnic cleansing. The statements of president Herzog are equally monstrous.  Herzog claims that there are no innocent civilians and that all the population of Gaza bears a collective guilt for Hamas atrocious actions, which sounds like an incitement to the most savage and unrestrained revenge and must be interpreted as such. During the following hours a terrific and unrestrained horror could unleash in the martiryzed Gaza. The impending massacre could be also a turning point for the Western World aligned to Israel, because nothing will be the same for us if we do nothing to prevent the most unspeakable horrors. This is a serious historical moment

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1712915377137521094?t=kwTG5nzqblpwU82EZHnG7g&...

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

If Brandon wants my vote he needs to set hard limits and enforce them.

[Saint Milei]

This was isn't good for my health at all. Mainly because I have to see so many Ben Shapiro videos. Ben Shapiro is an evil man.

Ben Shapiro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tucker Carlson

A zionist justifying slaughtering kids and won't fight for his homeland is not better than a man hoping for peace

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

This was isn't good for my health at all. Mainly because I have to see so many Ben Shapiro videos. Ben Shapiro is an evil man.

Ben Shapiro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tucker Carlson

A zionist justifying slaughtering kids and won't fight for his homeland is not better than a man hoping for peace

Tucker Carlson wants the peace of the graveyard. Also, take this BS to USGD.

[Ferguson97]

This was isn't good for my health at all. Mainly because I have to see so many Ben Shapiro videos. Ben Shapiro is an evil man.

Ben Shapiro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tucker Carlson

A zionist justifying slaughtering kids and won't fight for his homeland is not better than a man hoping for peace

This sounds dangerously close to a "dual loyalty" argument...

[lfromnj]

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-china-attack-d572e4169dd7f451cb2b2197506bc74c

BEIJING (AP) — A 50-year-old Israeli man who works at the Israeli Embassy in Beijing was stabbed Friday in front of a supermarket, Chinese police and the Israeli government said.

Beijing police said they had arrested a suspect, a 53-year-old foreign man. They described the victim as a family member of an Israeli diplomat. No motive was given for the attack, and it was unclear if it was connected to the war between Israel and the militant group Hamas.

[Horus]

This was isn't good for my health at all. Mainly because I have to see so many Ben Shapiro videos. Ben Shapiro is an evil man.

Ben Shapiro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tucker Carlson

A zionist justifying slaughtering kids and won't fight for his homeland is not better than a man hoping for peace

This sounds dangerously close to a "dual loyalty" argument...

I say Evangelical Christians have dual loyalty all the time and no one bats an eye. Unlike the Evangelicals, I do not believe that the vast, vast majority of Jewish Americans have dual loyalty. I am, however, unsure about Ben Shapiro.

[Ferguson97]

https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/1712944821701111875

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/1712944821701111875

Genuine question: obviously Hamas have always been a genocidal totalitarian terror cult, but were they always this bad or did the events of last weekend surprise even by their standards?

[All Along The Watchtower]

This was isn't good for my health at all. Mainly because I have to see so many Ben Shapiro videos. Ben Shapiro is an evil man.

Ben Shapiro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tucker Carlson

A zionist justifying slaughtering kids and won't fight for his homeland is not better than a man hoping for peace

This sounds dangerously close to a "dual loyalty" argument...

I say Evangelical Christians have dual loyalty all the time and no one bats an eye. Unlike the Evangelicals, I do not believe that the vast, vast majority of Jewish Americans have dual loyalty. I am, however, unsure about Ben Shapiro.

I think the real point to be made here is that Americans, like a lot of people, have a tendency to project onto Israel-Palestine their own neuroses, irrespective of which “side” they support.

[lfromnj]

By the way regarding Hezbollah, it seems they feel they aren't prepared for conflict but they are doing light attacks . Is this similar to how Jordan sent a token force in 1973 when they didn't really want to fight in the war? Although in Jordan's case it was also due to a genuine desire for long term peace.

[Aurelius2]

I hope people don't still take the "human shields" argument at face value. Should have lost traction right around the time they bombed Red Crescent workers after briefly ceasing bombing to let them rescue wounded civilians.

Then tell me why Hamas has their military headquarters in Al-Shifa Hospital.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Genuine question: obviously Hamas have always been a genocidal totalitarian terror cult, but were they always this bad or did the events of last weekend surprise even by their standards?

Hamas to me feels less like a genocidal terror cult (like Daesh) and more like a barbaric self-interested gang grifting off Palestinian liberation. Still evil, but a different kind of evil. They'd rather Israel exist and their (meaning Hamas') elite dwell in mansions in the Persian Gulf region than neither be true.

[pppolitics]

Addressing the humanitarian crisis in Gaza requires more decisive action, in order to restrain the Israeli government to take revenge on the Gaza population. It is monstrous to tell one million of Gazans to flee, in what looks like the prelude to a massive ethnic cleansing. The statements of president Herzog are equally monstrous.  Herzog claims that there are no innocent civilians and that all the population of Gaza bears a collective guilt for Hamas atrocious actions, which sounds like an incitement to the most savage and unrestrained revenge and must be interpreted as such. During the following hours a terrific and unrestrained horror could unleash in the martiryzed Gaza. The impending massacre could be also a turning point for the Western World aligned to Israel, because nothing will be the same for us if we do nothing to prevent the most unspeakable horrors. This is a serious historical moment

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1712915377137521094?t=kwTG5nzqblpwU82EZHnG7g&...

Biden needs to be careful otherwise being complicit in Israel's genocide could be his legacy.

[Zinneke]

It's almost as if Gaza's population and indeed Palestine's, is as heterogeneous in its political and sociological profile as Israel's.

Shocking for those who think Arabs have a hive mind, I know.

I don't know if this is directed at my post, but yes, obviously. My point is that the Israeli order to move a large amount of people in a short period of time is an order of a type which could only be obeyed universally with the collaboration of the local government, and not otherwise.

Not directed at you : I actually think you are clear sighted in your analysis of the ongoing events.