Israel-Gaza war

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Sounds like some signaling regarding Israeli Military potential movements using conventional combined arms strategy.

"He made the remarks in a daily update distributed by the IDF Spokesperson to the foreign media. Conricus added that since Hamas took over the Gaza Strip, it has built "a network of tunnels under Gaza City, which is the center, all the way to Khan Yunis and Rafah."

"We are trying to reach the lower layer that Hamas has built for itself," he said. "It is not intended for the entry of civilians, it is not bunkers for Gazan citizens for when Israel attacks, it is for the use of Hamas and other terrorists so that they can continue to fire missiles and send terrorists."

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-11/

Tunnel combat is n a s t y even compared to other urban warfare. Lord have mercy.

[NOVA Green]

Sounds like some signaling regarding Israeli Military potential movements using conventional combined arms strategy.

"He made the remarks in a daily update distributed by the IDF Spokesperson to the foreign media. Conricus added that since Hamas took over the Gaza Strip, it has built "a network of tunnels under Gaza City, which is the center, all the way to Khan Yunis and Rafah."

"We are trying to reach the lower layer that Hamas has built for itself," he said. "It is not intended for the entry of civilians, it is not bunkers for Gazan citizens for when Israel attacks, it is for the use of Hamas and other terrorists so that they can continue to fire missiles and send terrorists."

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-11/

Tunnel combat is n a s t y even compared to other urban warfare. Lord have mercy.

No BS, but first heard the term "Tunnel Rats", when a regular circle of Vietnam Vets would meet for coffee at the small town coffee shop.

Agreed tunnel warfare is messy and could be a bit of hyperbole here on these statements by the IDF Spokesperson.

But yes, tunnel warfare was very nasty in WWII in various fronts, Vietnam, etc

[Hnv1]

Wartime coalition government agreed. A special cabinet consisting of Bibi, Gallant, and Gantz as members, and Dermer and Eisenkot as observers will be formed.

What's been the response of the Arab parties?

Condemning Hamas from wall to wall. Abbas and Ra’am severely, 40 Bedouins died on Saturday. Odeh denouncing violence and telling Hamas they were doing fine since 48 and calls on everyone to refrain from violence. Tibi condemned the violence and offered his help in negotiating release of prisoners.

No idea on Balad but they’ll most likely be banned by the next elections

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Wartime coalition government agreed. A special cabinet consisting of Bibi, Gallant, and Gantz as members, and Dermer and Eisenkot as observers will be formed.

What's been the response of the Arab parties?

Condemning Hamas from wall to wall. Abbas and Ra’am severely, 40 Bedouins died on Saturday. Odeh denouncing violence and telling Hamas they were doing fine since 48 and calls on everyone to refrain from violence. Tibi condemned the violence and offered his help in negotiating release of prisoners.

No idea on Balad but they’ll most likely be banned by the next elections

Good.

What in particular makes Balad so different on this?

[Logical]

It is an indisputable fact that children were killed in their cribs, bedrooms and shelters by Hamas. You can easily find footage of it in Telegram channels if you have the constitution for it. Does it really matter whether they were shot, burned alive or beheaded?

[Hnv1]

Wartime coalition government agreed. A special cabinet consisting of Bibi, Gallant, and Gantz as members, and Dermer and Eisenkot as observers will be formed.

What's been the response of the Arab parties?

Condemning Hamas from wall to wall. Abbas and Ra’am severely, 40 Bedouins died on Saturday. Odeh denouncing violence and telling Hamas they were doing fine since 48 and calls on everyone to refrain from violence. Tibi condemned the violence and offered his help in negotiating release of prisoners.

No idea on Balad but they’ll most likely be banned by the next elections

Good.

What in particular makes Balad so different on this?

That they tend to brush off with terrorist organizations too often, and show admiration to their actions. Basically they’re like Arabs from London

[NOVA Green]

US trying to broker deals to prevent conflict from spreading:

"The discussions between Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict are “helpful,” a senior State Department official said Wednesday.

The United States has been asking key allies to talk to Israel’s adversaries to prevent the war with Hamas from escalating into a larger regional conflict."

...

"The discussion between Raisi and Mohammed was the first call between the two leaders since their countries, which are longtime adversaries, resumed ties after a China-brokered détente in March."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/11/israel-hamas-war-updates-gaza-attack/

[Aurelius2]

It is an indisputable fact that children were killed in their cribs, bedrooms and shelters by Hamas. You can easily find footage of it in Telegram channels if you have the constitution for it. Does it really matter whether they were shot, burned alive or beheaded?

Earlier today I stumbled across a photo of the remains of a baby burned alive in its crib in Kfar Aza. One of the most horrifying and despicable things I have ever seen.

[Upper Canada Tory]

US trying to broker deals to prevent conflict from spreading:

"The discussions between Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict are “helpful,” a senior State Department official said Wednesday.

The United States has been asking key allies to talk to Israel’s adversaries to prevent the war with Hamas from escalating into a larger regional conflict."

...

"The discussion between Raisi and Mohammed was the first call between the two leaders since their countries, which are longtime adversaries, resumed ties after a China-brokered détente in March."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/11/israel-hamas-war-updates-gaza-attack/

I would also hope that the US manages to broker the deal for Egypt to allow Palestinian civilians in Gaza to flee the area in a civilian corridor, at least temporarily for the war, although up until now that deal has been rejected by Egypt;

https://www.reuters.com/world/egypt-discussing-plans-provide-aid-gaza-under-limited-ceasefire-security-sources-2023-10-11/

[Coldstream]

US trying to broker deals to prevent conflict from spreading:

"The discussions between Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict are “helpful,” a senior State Department official said Wednesday.

The United States has been asking key allies to talk to Israel’s adversaries to prevent the war with Hamas from escalating into a larger regional conflict."

...

"The discussion between Raisi and Mohammed was the first call between the two leaders since their countries, which are longtime adversaries, resumed ties after a China-brokered détente in March."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/11/israel-hamas-war-updates-gaza-attack/

I would also hope that the US manages to broker the deal for Egypt to allow Palestinian civilians in Gaza to flee the area in a civilian corridor, at least temporarily for the war, although up until now that deal has been rejected by Egypt;

https://www.reuters.com/world/egypt-discussing-plans-provide-aid-gaza-under-limited-ceasefire-security-sources-2023-10-11/

Egypt knows if that happened Israel won’t let them come back, so they won’t do it.

[Upper Canada Tory]

US trying to broker deals to prevent conflict from spreading:

"The discussions between Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict are “helpful,” a senior State Department official said Wednesday.

The United States has been asking key allies to talk to Israel’s adversaries to prevent the war with Hamas from escalating into a larger regional conflict."

...

"The discussion between Raisi and Mohammed was the first call between the two leaders since their countries, which are longtime adversaries, resumed ties after a China-brokered détente in March."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/11/israel-hamas-war-updates-gaza-attack/

I would also hope that the US manages to broker the deal for Egypt to allow Palestinian civilians in Gaza to flee the area in a civilian corridor, at least temporarily for the war, although up until now that deal has been rejected by Egypt;

https://www.reuters.com/world/egypt-discussing-plans-provide-aid-gaza-under-limited-ceasefire-security-sources-2023-10-11/

Egypt knows if that happened Israel won’t let them come back, so they won’t do it.

Hypothetically, the deal could be made to ensure that it's a temporary arrangement, but idk if each side trusts the other enough to implement that now.

Also, I am not sure if Israel can really decide whether or not someone is allowed to enter via the Rafah Crossing, which is controlled by Egypt.

[Coldstream]

US trying to broker deals to prevent conflict from spreading:

"The discussions between Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict are “helpful,” a senior State Department official said Wednesday.

The United States has been asking key allies to talk to Israel’s adversaries to prevent the war with Hamas from escalating into a larger regional conflict."

...

"The discussion between Raisi and Mohammed was the first call between the two leaders since their countries, which are longtime adversaries, resumed ties after a China-brokered détente in March."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/11/israel-hamas-war-updates-gaza-attack/

I would also hope that the US manages to broker the deal for Egypt to allow Palestinian civilians in Gaza to flee the area in a civilian corridor, at least temporarily for the war, although up until now that deal has been rejected by Egypt;

https://www.reuters.com/world/egypt-discussing-plans-provide-aid-gaza-under-limited-ceasefire-security-sources-2023-10-11/

Egypt knows if that happened Israel won’t let them come back, so they won’t do it.

Hypothetically, the deal could be made to ensure that it's a temporary arrangement, but idk if each side trusts the other enough to implement that now.

Also, I am not sure if Israel can really decide whether or not someone is allowed to enter via the Rafah Crossing, which is controlled by Egypt.

I mean, they can if Gaza is under Israeli occupation again.

[DavidB.]

Wartime coalition government agreed. A special cabinet consisting of Bibi, Gallant, and Gantz as members, and Dermer and Eisenkot as observers will be formed.

What's been the response of the Arab parties?

Condemning Hamas from wall to wall. Abbas and Ra’am severely, 40 Bedouins died on Saturday. Odeh denouncing violence and telling Hamas they were doing fine since 48 and calls on everyone to refrain from violence. Tibi condemned the violence and offered his help in negotiating release of prisoners.

No idea on Balad but they’ll most likely be banned by the next elections

I fully believe you, but do you have a source for Mansour Abbas' condemnation? On his Twitter I only see a "some people did something, please de-escalate" statement on October 7th and one to free the hostages on Oct 10th, but no condemnation in which Hamas is actually clearly named as the perpetrator of all of this.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Olaf Scholz has announced a ban on the PFLP-affiliated Samidoun network who had recently organized pro-Palestinian celebrations in Germany.

Meanwhile, he'll meet with the Emir of Qatar - a prominent funder of Hamas - for lunch today.

So it goes.

[dead0man]

Tunnel combat is n a s t y even compared to other urban warfare. Lord have mercy.

Israel has more experience than anyone in dealing with tunnels and the monsters that live in them.  One tactic they might use.

We also should be reminded now that Hamas uses children to dig the tunnels.

[Velasco]

Settler violence in the West Bank has been a constant -largely unnoticed outside Israel-Palestine- with periodic outbursts like the Huwara pogrom. Escalation is a predictable consequence of this ongoing tragedy. Months ago Israel National Security minister Ben Gvir said that arming settlers "is important and has proven its usefulness". In other words, settler violence is a state policy. The consequences of an escalation are potentially terrible for the Palestinian population in the West Bank and I'm afraid they'll get little protection from the international community

https://twitter.com/MairavZ/status/1712397208757080091?t=2A791cjY1U6cGxlxGNFbOQ&...

[Hnv1]

Wartime coalition government agreed. A special cabinet consisting of Bibi, Gallant, and Gantz as members, and Dermer and Eisenkot as observers will be formed.

What's been the response of the Arab parties?

Condemning Hamas from wall to wall. Abbas and Ra’am severely, 40 Bedouins died on Saturday. Odeh denouncing violence and telling Hamas they were doing fine since 48 and calls on everyone to refrain from violence. Tibi condemned the violence and offered his help in negotiating release of prisoners.

No idea on Balad but they’ll most likely be banned by the next elections

I fully believe you, but do you have a source for Mansour Abbas' condemnation? On his Twitter I only see a "some people did something, please de-escalate" statement on October 7th and one to free the hostages on Oct 10th, but no condemnation in which Hamas is actually clearly named as the perpetrator of all of this.

I recall a press release early on Saturday morning with condemnation of the violence I don’t recall if he mentioned Hamas specifically or not

[Meclazine for Israel]

Antony Blinken talking with Netanyahu

Live Meeting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVznhQronf0

"The US has Israel's back."

"25 US Citizens were killed in the attacks on Saturday October 7."

[Zinneke]

https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/1712139662402244781

[DavidB.]

Wartime coalition government agreed. A special cabinet consisting of Bibi, Gallant, and Gantz as members, and Dermer and Eisenkot as observers will be formed.

What's been the response of the Arab parties?

Condemning Hamas from wall to wall. Abbas and Ra’am severely, 40 Bedouins died on Saturday. Odeh denouncing violence and telling Hamas they were doing fine since 48 and calls on everyone to refrain from violence. Tibi condemned the violence and offered his help in negotiating release of prisoners.

No idea on Balad but they’ll most likely be banned by the next elections

I fully believe you, but do you have a source for Mansour Abbas' condemnation? On his Twitter I only see a "some people did something, please de-escalate" statement on October 7th and one to free the hostages on Oct 10th, but no condemnation in which Hamas is actually clearly named as the perpetrator of all of this.

I recall a press release early on Saturday morning with condemnation of the violence I don’t recall if he mentioned Hamas specifically or not

In that case I assume the press release was the same statement as he put on Twitter. If he didn't specifically mention Hamas, I wouldn't call that "condemning Hamas wall to wall".

[snip]

Can't believe we're still doing this "simple numbers game" fallacy. Even apart from the fact that the distinction between intentionally targeting civilians (which Palestinian terrorists do, all the time) vs. targeting legitimate targets (which Israel does) which regrettably leads to civilian deaths because Hamas hides behind its civilians gets completely lost here.

[Zinneke]

Wartime coalition government agreed. A special cabinet consisting of Bibi, Gallant, and Gantz as members, and Dermer and Eisenkot as observers will be formed.

What's been the response of the Arab parties?

Condemning Hamas from wall to wall. Abbas and Ra’am severely, 40 Bedouins died on Saturday. Odeh denouncing violence and telling Hamas they were doing fine since 48 and calls on everyone to refrain from violence. Tibi condemned the violence and offered his help in negotiating release of prisoners.

No idea on Balad but they’ll most likely be banned by the next elections

I fully believe you, but do you have a source for Mansour Abbas' condemnation? On his Twitter I only see a "some people did something, please de-escalate" statement on October 7th and one to free the hostages on Oct 10th, but no condemnation in which Hamas is actually clearly named as the perpetrator of all of this.

I recall a press release early on Saturday morning with condemnation of the violence I don’t recall if he mentioned Hamas specifically or not

In that case I assume the press release was the same statement as he put on Twitter. If he didn't specifically mention Hamas, I wouldn't call that "condemning Hamas wall to wall".

[snip]

Can't believe we're still doing this "simple numbers game" fallacy. Even apart from the fact that the distinction between intentionally targeting civilians (which Palestinian terrorists do, all the time) vs. targeting legitimate targets (which Israel does) which regrettably leads to civilian deaths because Hamas hides behind its civilians gets completely lost here.

If you look at the next tweet it's mainly to contextualise the Israeli response to this massacre, as its their biggest casualty count by a country mile.

But also, yes, the fact that already more Palestinian civilians have perished in the bombings but many centre right to right wing figures legitimately don't give a damn, is terrible.

[Velasco]

u

If you look at the next tweet it's mainly to contextualise the Israeli response to this massacre, as its their biggest casualty count by a country mile.

But also, yes, the fact that already more Palestinian civilians have perished in the bombings but many centre right to right wing figures legitimately don't give a damn, is terrible.

Contextualizing horror requires honesty with the facts, as well as some empathy towards the victims. Justifying the massacre of civilians perpetrated by Hamas is as morally wrong as the usual narrative justifying the inhumane blockade and the bombings over Gaza. The saddest thing is the unwillingness to put an end to the endless cycles of horror and violence

[Logical]

On what awaits the IDF in a ground invasion.
https://www.ft.com/content/55d70ab0-f18f-4de7-a4c9-0e14a717ea2a

Eyal was 26 when the army sapper first entered Gaza, sent in by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to help dismantle the extensive tunnels that Hamas had dug to hide its fighters and sneak into Israeli territory.

Nine years later, he is preparing for Netanyahu to send him back, to take down the militant group itself. This time, Eyal knows what awaits him and his comrades.

“A nightmare — except it’s real,” he said of entering the Palestinian territory controlled by Hamas since 2007. “Anything you touch could be a bomb, anyone you see could be a terrorist. You have to move slowly, deliberately. Sometimes they move faster than you can respond. The only thing that keeps you alive is your training.”

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1712317048976490520?s=20

Screw people like Lindsey Graham and every evangelical who uses this conflict to LARP.

[jojoju1998]

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1712317048976490520?s=20

Screw people like Lindsey Graham and every evangelical who uses this conflict to LARP.

The irony is that; Palestinian Christians have been caught in the crossfire.

Most Palestinian Christians in the last 5 decades have fled, moving to places like the US.

But some remain.

https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/palestine-christians-have-no-margin

They're not exactly happy with Israel's actions in the region, and they also have no reason to trust Hamas, since Hamas is a islamic fundamentalist organization.