Israel-Gaza war

[Hnv1]

I sincerely hope Hamas is going to release at least the women and children in the next 24 hours...If they care for the people of Gaza at all they should

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1711056318801248531?s=12
Israel is starting to really hammer Gaza

great news, hopefully it continues for a good long while until the terrorists who committed these attacks and those who harbor them have been completely destroyed.

You are greatly mistaken if you think the oppressed can be bombed into oblivion.

There will always be a resistance.

The only lasting solution is to give them a place of their own to live.

The only lasting solution is for the radical Islamists to unconditionally surrender

[Estrella]

You are greatly mistaken if you think the oppressed can be bombed into oblivion.

There will always be a resistance.

The only lasting solution is to give them a place of their own to live.

— Zionists circa 1948

How ironic that, since then, the oppressed had become the oppressor.

Indeed. Palestinians shouldn't have been driven out of their homes seventy years ago, but that's no justification for an invasion of a sovereign country and kidnapping, rape and murder of hundreds of civillians.

[Aurelius2]

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1711060846091112584
Good to see our forces stand ready to take care of our own should things go south.

My prayers, of course, are with the Israelis, who have nowhere to escape to. This is their only home.

[lfromnj]

Whats all the sympathy for the "women and children"  Israeli women fight too in the IDF and shouldn't be infantalized. If they are civilians they are civilians just like men can be civilians but don't specifically say women other than mentioning the horrific sexual crimes.

[GALeftist]

I am obviously overall deeply sympathetic to Palestinian liberation, but I will say that there has been a worrying trend in academia as of late to whitewash Hamas or pretend like they have become less problematic since 2006. I hope that today will end that trend once and for all. You can say that war, especially anticolonial war, is hell and all, and that's true, but it's also clear that the goal of this operation was explicitly to attack civilians, and that is completely unjustifiable. One can only hope that this is at least a step towards their being completely annihilated, and although I weep for the civilian casualties which are likely to ensue in Gaza, I will certainly not shed a tear for the elimination of as much of Hamas as possible.

With that being said, this war must also underscore the need for a permanent solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Blathering on about the complexity of the conflict is nothing more than cowardice that will lead to more deaths. The two-state solution is dead – it's been dead for over a decade now, in fact – but that does not make the status quo any less unjustifiable. The only way this ends is by ending Palestinians' status as a stateless, voiceless, powerless people. Continuing the occupation will inevitably lead to more innocent deaths.

[Aurelius2]

I sincerely hope Hamas is going to release at least the women and children in the next 24 hours...If they care for the people of Gaza at all they should

Every good person should be hoping for this, but the barbarity we saw in the videos that came out yesterday surely points in the opposite direction, doesn't it? I imagine these people will be used as human shields to be killed when the Gaza operation begins in full force.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

If the West Bank wants to be an independent state called Palestine, fine.  But it's just Jordan.

Gaza?  Has little to nothing to do with Jordan.  It's Egypt.

In modern times, the first person to self-describe Palestine's Arabs as "Palestinians" was Khalil Beidas in 1898, followed by Salim Quba'in and Najib Nassar in 1902. After the 1908 Young Turk Revolution, which eased press censorship laws in the Ottoman Empire, dozens of newspapers and periodicals were founded in Palestine, and the term "Palestinian" expanded in usage. Among those were the Al-Quds, Al-Munadi, Falastin, Al-Karmil and Al-Nafir newspapers, which used the term "Filastini" more than 170 times in 110 articles from 1908 to 1914. They also made references to a "Palestinian society", "Palestinian nation", and a "Palestinian diaspora". Article writers included Christian and Muslim Arab Palestinians, Palestinian emigrants, and non-Palestinian Arabs.[85][86]

During the Mandatory Palestine period, the term "Palestinian" was used to refer to all people residing there, regardless of religion or ethnicity, and those granted citizenship by the British Mandatory authorities were granted "Palestinian citizenship".[87] Other examples include the use of the term Palestine Regiment to refer to the Jewish Infantry Brigade Group of the British Army during World War II, and the term "Palestinian Talmud", which is an alternative name of the Jerusalem Talmud, used mainly in academic sources.

It's like saying Ukraine doesn't exist. It's Russia

[WalterWhite]

I sincerely hope Hamas is going to release at least the women and children in the next 24 hours...If they care for the people of Gaza at all they should

Hamas is a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION that has no problems with violence against civilians to achieve its goals. There is no reality in which Hamas would release its captives.

[Aurelius2]

Death toll in Israel passed 700. For context, during the second intifada of 2000-2004, 1057 Israelis died (70% of them civilians). During the Yom Kippur war, 2689 Israelis died, presumably mostly military.

Prof. Kontorovich is probably already correct when he claims this is the biggest slaughter of Jewish civilians since the Holocaust. This is really the magnitude we're speaking about. Those who always claimed they would self-evidently stand on the correct side back then now have the opportunity to truly prove what their character is like.

Yes, I think one can even have a fairly maximalist antizionist position and still condemn the Palestinian liberation/conquest/reconquest/whatever being effectuated via an antisemitic cult filming old ladies' deaths with their own cell phones, taking hostages and then raping them, dragging mutilated corpses of civilians through the streets, etc. etc. etc.

Most people condemn the actions of Hamas.

Yes, thankfully. People who aren't doing so, or who are equivocating about doing so, are a very loud minority.

In America, yes, thank God. Other countries are less sane on this, even in the democratic Western world. I made the mistake of browsing some Irish subreddits yesterday, out of morbid curiosity... yeesh.

[pppolitics]

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1711056318801248531?s=12
Israel is starting to really hammer Gaza

great news, hopefully it continues for a good long while until the terrorists who committed these attacks and those who harbor them have been completely destroyed.

You are greatly mistaken if you think the oppressed can be bombed into oblivion.

There will always be a resistance.

The only lasting solution is to give them a place of their own to live.

The only lasting solution is for the radical Islamists to unconditionally surrender

They probably consider the Israeli occupying their land to the radical extremists.

[Not Me, Us]

I sincerely hope Hamas is going to release at least the women and children in the next 24 hours...If they care for the people of Gaza at all they should

It should be plainly clear that Hamas does not care for anybody, Palestinian or otherwise. They surely knew the death and misery this attack would bring upon the people of Gaza and they chose to do it anyway. When your organization's entire MO is killing people, this tends to happen.

[GALeftist]

As was noted above, saying that the West Bank is the same as Jordan or that the Gaza Strip is the same as Egypt is ahistorical, to put it mildly. Part of what makes this conflict so horrible is that Jordan, Egypt, and frankly every other Arab state hold deeply antagonistic views towards Palestinians, resent those who reside within them, and staunchly oppose accepting any refugees whatsoever.

Another thing I'd like to add is that, although Fatah is obviously preferable to Hamas, they are not the solution here. Not only is their failed leadership greatly responsible for the situation of Palestinians today, but Abbas also runs a deeply oppressive and undemocratic regime in the West Bank. He is not going to solve this problem; he barely even pretends to want to solve it anymore.

[Velasco]

In other words: Hamas slaughtered hundreds of innocents, but it’s business as normal for us

did you even actually read the post??

"Hamas's attack and the events unfolding since yesterday are unspeakable"; "cruel and criminal actions"

nothing they said is wrong, Israel's misplaced security priorities have directly led to their current security failure and complete inability to prevent the slaughter and capture of many innocent lives

believe it or not, it's entirely possible to be outraged at the atrocities committed by Hamas while also critically examining the context in which they occurred, what went wrong, what factors created the environment where something so unthinkable could have occurred. One does not preclude the other.

Thanks. You are one of the best

[jaichind]

Look like Israel's deaths since the war started exceeds 700 over 1.5 days which would mean a rate of death much higher than all the other Arab-Israel wars going back to 1948

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Benjamin Netanyahu

“In our neighbourhood, we need to protect ourselves from wild beasts.“At the end of the day as I see it, there will be a fence like this one surrounding Israel in its entirety. We will surround the entire state of Israel with a fence, a barrier.”
The only way to deal with the Palestinians is to "beat them up, not once but repeatedly, beat them up so it hurts so badly, until it's unbearable..."

Eli Ben-Dahan

Palestinians are beasts, they are not human.
A Jew always has a much higher soul than a non-Jew, even if he is a homosexual.

Moshe Yaalon

The Palestinian threat harbours cancer-like attributes that have to be severed and fought to the bitter end. There are all kinds of solutions to cancer. Some say it's necessary to amputate organs but at the moment I am applying chemotherapy.

Ayelet Shaked

Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there. They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists.

Avi Dichter

The Israeli Army has enough bullets for every Palestinian.

Avigdor Lieberman

“We must continue to fight Hamas just like the United States did with the Japanese in World War II. Then, too, the occupation of the country was unnecessary.”
"It would be better to drown these prisoners in the Dead Sea if possible, since that's the lowest point in the world.

Eli Yishai

We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn't stop with Hiroshima - the Japanese weren't surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too. There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing.

Some quotes by current and former prime minister, minister of defence, minister of justice, minister of agriculture, foreign minister en minister of internal affairs of Israel.

This is the kind of Israël you support, the kind of Israël the western world (both Europe, USA, Australia, New Zealand) support.

[pppolitics]

Benjamin Netanyahu

“In our neighbourhood, we need to protect ourselves from wild beasts.“At the end of the day as I see it, there will be a fence like this one surrounding Israel in its entirety. We will surround the entire state of Israel with a fence, a barrier.”
The only way to deal with the Palestinians is to "beat them up, not once but repeatedly, beat them up so it hurts so badly, until it's unbearable..."

Eli Ben-Dahan

Palestinians are beasts, they are not human.
A Jew always has a much higher soul than a non-Jew, even if he is a homosexual.

Moshe Yaalon

The Palestinian threat harbours cancer-like attributes that have to be severed and fought to the bitter end. There are all kinds of solutions to cancer. Some say it's necessary to amputate organs but at the moment I am applying chemotherapy.

Ayelet Shaked

Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there. They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists.

Avi Dichter

The Israeli Army has enough bullets for every Palestinian.

Avigdor Lieberman

“We must continue to fight Hamas just like the United States did with the Japanese in World War II. Then, too, the occupation of the country was unnecessary.”
"It would be better to drown these prisoners in the Dead Sea if possible, since that's the lowest point in the world.

Eli Yishai

We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn't stop with Hiroshima - the Japanese weren't surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too. There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing.

Some quotes by current and former prime minister, minister of defence, minister of justice, minister of agriculture, foreign minister en minister of internal affairs of Israel.

Every minute, Israel sounds more and more like Russia.

[jaichind]

[Horus]

Whats all the sympathy for the "women and children"  Israeli women fight too in the IDF and shouldn't be infantalized. If they are civilians they are civilians just like men can be civilians but don't specifically say women other than mentioning the horrific sexual crimes.

That bothers me as well. What makes women more worthy of release than men? This isn't the Titanic.

Let the kids out first.

[jaichind]

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/turkish-president-erdogan-calls-for-independent-geographically-integrated-palestinian-state-/3011762

"Turkish President Erdogan calls for ‘independent, geographically integrated Palestinian state’"

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Sunday said the realization of an independent, and geographically integrated Palestinian state based on 1967 borders, with (East) Jerusalem as the capital, could not be delayed any longer.

This seems to be the position of Russia and PRC as well

[Vice President Christian Man]

Allegedly, dozens of American citizens among the hostages in Gaza. Separately, I can personally verify having seen videos (which I can dm to anyone so desiring) of Israeli toddlers being held in cages and children being attacked and beaten. Of course, this is in addition to the many dead children within Israel.

Seems to be confirmed:
https://twitter.com/willcain/status/1711008753837801946?s=20

Terrible. And yet Biden will give $6 billion to Iran anyway.

I don't think this is a fair point to blame Biden for. I don't understand why Biden gave Iran money to begin with but Biden didn't have intentions of undermining Israel by doing so. If  there was proof that Iran used that money to fund the Hamas that would be different, but even then it would be a form of victim blaming as it would be similar to blaming the good Samaritan for giving a homeless person money if that person decided to abuse it.

[jaichind]

Whats all the sympathy for the "women and children"  Israeli women fight too in the IDF and shouldn't be infantalized. If they are civilians they are civilians just like men can be civilians but don't specifically say women other than mentioning the horrific sexual crimes.

That bothers me as well. What makes women more worthy of release than men? This isn't the Titanic.

Let the kids out first.

I disagree. Women represent the possibility of future children and must be preserved at a higher priority than men and children (at least male ones.)

[Horus]

Whats all the sympathy for the "women and children"  Israeli women fight too in the IDF and shouldn't be infantalized. If they are civilians they are civilians just like men can be civilians but don't specifically say women other than mentioning the horrific sexual crimes.

That bothers me as well. What makes women more worthy of release than men? This isn't the Titanic.

Let the kids out first.

I disagree. Women represent the possibility of future children and must be preserved at a higher priority than men and children (at least male ones.)

It takes a mommy and a daddy to make a baby.

[jaichind]

I disagree. Women represent the possibility of future children and must be preserved at a higher priority than men and children (at least male ones.)

It takes a mommy and a daddy to make a baby.

The number of possible future children is mostly a function of the number of women available since the number of children a woman can have in her lifetime is much more bounded than a man.  If the world had to start from scratch and need to grow its population you much rather start with 1 man and 99 women versus 99 men and 1 woman.

[quesaisje]

God forbid that anyone express sympathy for women living in a war zone who are being targeted for abduction, rape, and who knows what else on account of their sex. WTF.