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« Reply #800 on: October 08, 2023, 09:21:22 AM »

There are still active hostage situations within Israel and more than 250 bodies have reportedly been found at the peace concert
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« Reply #801 on: October 08, 2023, 09:23:25 AM »

Palestine just reminded the entire world that their home is still a warzone, and just completely destroyed Israel’s reputation as a safe country to visit. The Israeli tourism industry is going to be dead by everyone but religious zealots and those connecting with family for a good while.

Had Fatah not have been in the way to side with Israel if there were a war in the West Bank, Palestine would have won this war. Abbas’s bantustan is the only thing blocking an end to this war. Good riddance the zealous Trump Administration finally put UNRWA’s money laundering scheme to the coffin.

All eyes are on what the supposed invasion of Gaza is going to look like, as if any other front opens up Israel will continue to get bloody and have territory be in jeopardy bit by bit. They could have ended this conflict in the 90s by recognizing Palestine but didn’t out of wanting the whole pie. Like Armenia and Cyprus before it, not reading the room has negative consequences.

Revealing that you view it as winning a war for Hamas to butcher innocent civilians, and as morally unacceptable for Israel to build walls to protect itself and kill those Hamas members in retaliation.
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« Reply #802 on: October 08, 2023, 09:26:00 AM »

Allegedly, dozens of American citizens among the hostages in Gaza. Separately, I can personally verify having seen videos (which I can dm to anyone so desiring) of Israeli toddlers being held in cages and children being attacked and beaten. Of course, this is in addition to the many dead children within Israel.
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« Reply #803 on: October 08, 2023, 09:26:04 AM »

https://middleeastpress.com/english/israeli-general-we-do-not-want-isis-defeat-in-syria/

"Israeli General: We Do Not Want ISIS Defeat In Syria"

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MEP: Israeli intelligence Chief, Major General Herzi Halevi, said that the last three months have been the most difficult for ISIS since its inception.

In a speech delivered at “Herzliya” conference yesterday, Halevi explicitly said “Israel” does not want the situation in Syria to end with the defeat of ISIS “, the Israeli NRG site reported.

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“Withdrawal of the super powers from the region and letting Israel alone in front of Hezbollah and Iran that possess good abilities will make “Israel” in a hard position.” Therefore, we’ve to do all we can so as not finding ourselves in such situation”

interpreting this as "we don't want ISIS to lose" is disingenuous at best, and could very well be deliberate misinformation given the inflammatory headline

given the context he's very clearly saying "it will be bad for Israel if the US doesn't continue their military efforts in Syria after ISIS is taken out for good". as in he's worried that when ISIS is gone we would end our support of the Syrian opposition, he wanted to see us keep going until Assad's regime fell


"we don't want the situation in Syria to end with the defeat of ISIS" = "the situation should continue after the defeat of ISIS"
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« Reply #804 on: October 08, 2023, 09:27:17 AM »

Palestine just reminded the entire world that their home is still a warzone, and just completely destroyed Israel’s reputation as a safe country to visit. The Israeli tourism industry is going to be dead by everyone but religious zealots and those connecting with family for a good while.

Had Fatah not have been in the way to side with Israel if there were a war in the West Bank, Palestine would have won this war. Abbas’s bantustan is the only thing blocking an end to this war. Good riddance the zealous Trump Administration finally put UNRWA’s money laundering scheme to the coffin.

All eyes are on what the supposed invasion of Gaza is going to look like, as if any other front opens up Israel will continue to get bloody and have territory be in jeopardy bit by bit. They could have ended this conflict in the 90s by recognizing Palestine but didn’t out of wanting the whole pie. Like Armenia and Cyprus before it, not reading the room has negative consequences.

Revealing that you view it as winning a war for Hamas to butcher innocent civilians, and as morally unacceptable for Israel to build walls to protect itself and kill those Hamas members in retaliation.
Honey, I recognized that Iran was dismantling Kurdish bases on the Iraqi border to ensure the regime’s security, but that don’t make me a basiji. It’s just my enemies being rational.
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« Reply #805 on: October 08, 2023, 09:28:58 AM »

Palestine just reminded the entire world that their home is still a warzone, and just completely destroyed Israel’s reputation as a safe country to visit. The Israeli tourism industry is going to be dead by everyone but religious zealots and those connecting with family for a good while.

Had Fatah not have been in the way to side with Israel if there were a war in the West Bank, Palestine would have won this war. Abbas’s bantustan is the only thing blocking an end to this war. Good riddance the zealous Trump Administration finally put UNRWA’s money laundering scheme to the coffin.

All eyes are on what the supposed invasion of Gaza is going to look like, as if any other front opens up Israel will continue to get bloody and have territory be in jeopardy bit by bit. They could have ended this conflict in the 90s by recognizing Palestine but didn’t out of wanting the whole pie. Like Armenia and Cyprus before it, not reading the room has negative consequences.

Revealing that you view it as winning a war for Hamas to butcher innocent civilians, and as morally unacceptable for Israel to build walls to protect itself and kill those Hamas members in retaliation.
It is, already, a (coming) military defeat and political victory. The direct comparison that's been made repeatedly is to Tet.
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« Reply #806 on: October 08, 2023, 09:29:04 AM »

Iran English language newspapers on conflict




The headlines seem pretty accurate.
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« Reply #807 on: October 08, 2023, 09:29:41 AM »

Israeli political question - there was some talk yesterday in Israeli English-language media about formation of a national unity government, with Likud and Gantz offering their participation for the duration of the crisis.

Netanyahu seems to have said he'd only accept that if the likes of Ben Gvir also remain in the administration (which appears to be a red line for Likud).

Is there any chance of that broader coalition forming now? Or was this more about Likud and Gantz signalling cooperation for patriotic/political purposes, knowing that Netanyahu was likely to put forward some unacceptable red lines?
For narrow Bibi prefers his narrow politics. But in several days the public pressure might overwhelm him
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« Reply #808 on: October 08, 2023, 09:31:20 AM »

Palestine just reminded the entire world that their home is still a warzone, and just completely destroyed Israel’s reputation as a safe country to visit. The Israeli tourism industry is going to be dead by everyone but religious zealots and those connecting with family for a good while.

Had Fatah not have been in the way to side with Israel if there were a war in the West Bank, Palestine would have won this war. Abbas’s bantustan is the only thing blocking an end to this war. Good riddance the zealous Trump Administration finally put UNRWA’s money laundering scheme to the coffin.

All eyes are on what the supposed invasion of Gaza is going to look like, as if any other front opens up Israel will continue to get bloody and have territory be in jeopardy bit by bit. They could have ended this conflict in the 90s by recognizing Palestine but didn’t out of wanting the whole pie. Like Armenia and Cyprus before it, not reading the room has negative consequences.

Revealing that you view it as winning a war for Hamas to butcher innocent civilians, and as morally unacceptable for Israel to build walls to protect itself and kill those Hamas members in retaliation.
Honey, I recognized that Iran was dismantling Kurdish bases on the Iraqi border to ensure the regime’s security, but that don’t make me a basiji. It’s just my enemies being rational.

If Hamas attacked and killed Israeli soldiers, I would deplore the deaths of people I thought fighting for a righteous cause, but appreciate that they were a “legitimate target.” But to murder and rape innocent civilians is evil.
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« Reply #809 on: October 08, 2023, 09:33:03 AM »

Palestine just reminded the entire world that their home is still a warzone, and just completely destroyed Israel’s reputation as a safe country to visit. The Israeli tourism industry is going to be dead by everyone but religious zealots and those connecting with family for a good while.

Had Fatah not have been in the way to side with Israel if there were a war in the West Bank, Palestine would have won this war. Abbas’s bantustan is the only thing blocking an end to this war. Good riddance the zealous Trump Administration finally put UNRWA’s money laundering scheme to the coffin.

All eyes are on what the supposed invasion of Gaza is going to look like, as if any other front opens up Israel will continue to get bloody and have territory be in jeopardy bit by bit. They could have ended this conflict in the 90s by recognizing Palestine but didn’t out of wanting the whole pie. Like Armenia and Cyprus before it, not reading the room has negative consequences.

Revealing that you view it as winning a war for Hamas to butcher innocent civilians, and as morally unacceptable for Israel to build walls to protect itself and kill those Hamas members in retaliation.
It is, already, a (coming) military defeat and political victory. The direct comparison that's been made repeatedly is to Tet.

Israel does not and will not lose. But also, Tet

A. Was a defeat for the North Vietnamese

B. Targeted soldiers, not civilians, other than Hue, which was evil.
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« Reply #810 on: October 08, 2023, 09:33:07 AM »

Allegedly, dozens of American citizens among the hostages in Gaza. Separately, I can personally verify having seen videos (which I can dm to anyone so desiring) of Israeli toddlers being held in cages and children being attacked and beaten. Of course, this is in addition to the many dead children within Israel.

Yes. There is only one style of Islamic terrorism.

This Israeli Woman on Instagram is pissed.

Yael Aris

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyIvqKIsLj3/
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« Reply #811 on: October 08, 2023, 09:33:55 AM »

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« Reply #812 on: October 08, 2023, 09:37:14 AM »

Israeli political question - there was some talk yesterday in Israeli English-language media about formation of a national unity government, with Likud and Gantz offering their participation for the duration of the crisis.

Netanyahu seems to have said he'd only accept that if the likes of Ben Gvir also remain in the administration (which appears to be a red line for Likud).

Is there any chance of that broader coalition forming now? Or was this more about Likud and Gantz signalling cooperation for patriotic/political purposes, knowing that Netanyahu was likely to put forward some unacceptable red lines?
For narrow Bibi prefers his narrow politics. But in several days the public pressure might overwhelm him
Netanyahu will go down as a terrible wartime leader and one of the worst leaders of modern day Israel. All the hard work the US government took to propping Israel up militarily and trying to expand its worldwide influence and he still manages to fail to properly streamline these alliances or ensure that Israel can defend itself.

The man is so full of himself it is unreal.
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« Reply #813 on: October 08, 2023, 09:37:23 AM »

There are going to be a lot of refugees from this war.
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« Reply #814 on: October 08, 2023, 09:37:35 AM »

We're all watching a genocide unfold at the forefront.

And what does Atlas do?

Cheer!

Let that sink in.
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« Reply #815 on: October 08, 2023, 09:37:55 AM »



Israel takes risks to protect civilian life while Hamas kills, rapes, and kidnaps civilians as a goal.
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« Reply #816 on: October 08, 2023, 09:38:26 AM »

We're all watching a genocide unfold at the forefront.

And what does Atlas do?

Cheer.

You think it is genocide to give warnings before strikes, but legitimate violence to rape, murder, and kidnap? Disgusting.
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« Reply #817 on: October 08, 2023, 09:39:03 AM »

War surely does make people spin like hell
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« Reply #818 on: October 08, 2023, 09:40:51 AM »

We're all watching a genocide unfold at the forefront.

And what does Atlas do?

Cheer.

You think it is genocide to give warnings before strikes, but legitimate violence to rape, murder, and kidnap? Disgusting.

Someone posted a tweet that all electricity is cut off, so how are you going to warn these people. Phones still have to be charged. And doubt everyone there (especially civilians) can buy a phone or do have access to one.

Secondly, where do they need to go, all of Gaza is basically one city full of buildings.
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« Reply #819 on: October 08, 2023, 09:42:04 AM »

We're all watching a genocide unfold at the forefront.

And what does Atlas do?

Cheer.

You think it is genocide to give warnings before strikes, but legitimate violence to rape, murder, and kidnap? Disgusting.

Someone posted a tweet that all electricity is cut off, so how are you going to warn these people. Phones still have to be charged. And doubt everyone there (especially civilians) can buy a phone or do have access to one.

Secondly, where do they need to go, all of Gaza is basically one city full of buildings.
Not all electricity is cut off. Israel no longer is providing electricity from Israel, but Egypt continues to provide some and generators etc exist.

As for the second part, Israel is specifically telling people where to go to avoid bombings.
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« Reply #820 on: October 08, 2023, 09:43:15 AM »

We're all watching a genocide unfold at the forefront.

And what does Atlas do?

Cheer.

You think it is genocide to give warnings before strikes, but legitimate violence to rape, murder, and kidnap? Disgusting.

Someone posted a tweet that all electricity is cut off, so how are you going to warn these people. Phones still have to be charged. And doubt everyone there (especially civilians) can buy a phone or do have access to one.

Secondly, where do they need to go, all of Gaza is basically one city full of buildings.
Not all electricity is cut off. Israel no longer is providing electricity from Israel, but Egypt continues to provide some and generators etc exist.

Israel claims 80% of electricity is cut off. I doubt most people have access to electricity, especially civilians and ones not responsible for this war.
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« Reply #821 on: October 08, 2023, 09:45:14 AM »

This is what happens when the people are oppressed to the point that they have no hope left: They go on a murderous rampage. They don't have anything left to lose.

Israel set itself up for this to happen.
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« Reply #822 on: October 08, 2023, 09:45:39 AM »

We're all watching a genocide unfold at the forefront.

And what does Atlas do?

Cheer.

You think it is genocide to give warnings before strikes, but legitimate violence to rape, murder, and kidnap? Disgusting.

Someone posted a tweet that all electricity is cut off, so how are you going to warn these people. Phones still have to be charged. And doubt everyone there (especially civilians) can buy a phone or do have access to one.

Secondly, where do they need to go, all of Gaza is basically one city full of buildings.
Not all electricity is cut off. Israel no longer is providing electricity from Israel, but Egypt continues to provide some and generators etc exist.

Israel claims 80% of electricity is cut off. I doubt most people have access to electricity, especially civilians and ones not responsible for this war.

Sure, buildings, power, etc. Not the same thing as connectivity.

But also the point is moot because even if that’s true, Israel also drops roof knockers to alert people before bringing buildings down (if the building is populated).
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« Reply #823 on: October 08, 2023, 09:46:55 AM »

Iran English language newspapers on conflict



The headlines seem pretty accurate.

You've really shown yourself as the biggest hypocrite here these past days when it comes to your views of innocent Ukrainian civilians versus Israeli ones, I hope you realize that.
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« Reply #824 on: October 08, 2023, 09:50:17 AM »

Israel is specifically telling people where to go to avoid bombings.

Citation needed, because I only see calls to leave one's building or Gaza entirely (from Netanyahu).
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