Daily Kos: Republicans now openly advocating mass murder of LGBTQ+ Americans

[OSR stands with Israel]

Guys, nobody cares about your "conservacord" drama. What's the point of even starting a safe space away from this site, only to bring the drama from it over here?

Conservacord should be renamed "unemployedcord"

The vast majority of us have jobs so this is inaccurate, unless you don't consider desk jobs to be "real jobs".

Sure, OSR

Why do you act so smug all the time

[DaleCooper]

Guys, nobody cares about your "conservacord" drama. What's the point of even starting a safe space away from this site, only to bring the drama from it over here?

Conservacord should be renamed "unemployedcord"

The vast majority of us have jobs so this is inaccurate, unless you don't consider desk jobs to be "real jobs".

Sure, OSR

Why do you act so smug all the time

I don't all the time.

[Meclazine for Israel]

This is utter baloney.

Catastrophising unecessarily on a daily basis is bad for the forum.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

I really wish articles and posts like this would stop using the term "LGBTQ+" to refer to "TQ+". These attacks are SOLELY on TQ+ people, and it would really help LGB people to not be grouped with them. Those who hate the TQ+ will see LGB grouped with it and start attacking them too.

I don't give a damn about solidarity or allyship when it comes to this. This issue has gone beyond what being transgender really is. And conservatives have reacted even more extremely than they should be. There are clearly problems on both sides and no one seems to occupy the rational middle, and it's going to create a disaster. But LGB people have NOTHING to do with it.

Did y’all forget about them coming after drag queens, who usually are gay men? Or the fact their forcing teachers into the closet? Or making students to send letters of notice if they’re gay and go on a field trip? This ain’t just a TQ+ thing. Republicans don’t slice and dice that finely.

A supermajority of Americans support gay marriage, and- by extension- LGB rights.

A supermajority of Americans also oppose the participation of trans people in women's sports.

And over the last few years support for trans rights has declined. According to Pew Research, in 2017 54% of people thought that whether one is a man or a woman is decided at birth while 44% said it can change. In 2022 that number rose to 60% who said it is decided at birth to 38% who said it can change. 12% net change in the wrong direction while gay marriage went up from 60% to over 70%.

I've never heard a good explanation from the Atlas trans rights activists about why this is.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Honestly one the most weird ass dynamic in politics today is how some of the most hostile figures to trans people come from the smug atheist community think guys like Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, or Dule here. The weirdest part is they’ll condense to religious people for holding these anti scientific views but they themselves will advocate some of the most anti scientific stances on the trans/gender topic

Such as?

“Most trans people are making it up to look cool” has been a favorite recently especially from Bill Maher

[Bernie Derangement Syndrome Haver]

I really wish articles and posts like this would stop using the term "LGBTQ+" to refer to "TQ+". These attacks are SOLELY on TQ+ people, and it would really help LGB people to not be grouped with them. Those who hate the TQ+ will see LGB grouped with it and start attacking them too.

I don't give a damn about solidarity or allyship when it comes to this. This issue has gone beyond what being transgender really is. And conservatives have reacted even more extremely than they should be. There are clearly problems on both sides and no one seems to occupy the rational middle, and it's going to create a disaster. But LGB people have NOTHING to do with it.

Did y’all forget about them coming after drag queens, who usually are gay men? Or the fact their forcing teachers into the closet? Or making students to send letters of notice if they’re gay and go on a field trip? This ain’t just a TQ+ thing. Republicans don’t slice and dice that finely.

A supermajority of Americans support gay marriage, and- by extension- LGB rights.

A supermajority of Americans also oppose the participation of trans people in women's sports.

And over the last few years support for trans rights has declined. According to Pew Research, in 2017 54% of people thought that whether one is a man or a woman is decided at birth while 44% said it can change. In 2022 that number rose to 60% who said it is decided at birth to 38% who said it can change. 12% net change in the wrong direction while gay marriage went up from 60% to over 70%.

I've never heard a good explanation from the Atlas trans rights activists about why this is.

Yup.

It's because transgender activists have totally hijacked what being transgender is. It has gone from relatively rare instances of gender dysphoria where transition literally helps the person to a social contagion of angsty teens who are either loners and want to find community or neurodivergent children who see stuff online and opt in. I disagree with conservatives that this is mostly happening from adults grooming kids. For the most part the kids are doing this themselves - creating their own terms and language, interacting among themselves online - and the explosion in trans/non-binary identity among teenagers is something of their own making on Tumblr.

As for drag queens, although many are gay men, some are trans women. But either way -- they are more visibly connected with the "queer" identity and culture. There is a difference between gay men who perform as drag queens (which I am not opposed to) and ordinary gay men who are just living their lives and not partaking in the more political parts of queer culture. The backlash is happening against the more politically queer aspects of the community, and the increasingly unpalatable demands are turning moderates who support gay rights and gay marriage off.

[VBM]

Honestly one the most weird ass dynamic in politics today is how some of the most hostile figures to trans people come from the smug atheist community think guys like Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, or Dule here. The weirdest part is they’ll condense to religious people for holding these anti scientific views but they themselves will advocate some of the most anti scientific stances on the trans/gender topic

Such as?

“Most trans people are making it up to look cool” has been a favorite recently especially from Bill Maher

How is that anti-science? Transtrenders are a thing

[Devout Centrist]

    It amuses me how Atlas has fearmongered for ages about Conservacord being a far-right echo chamber, while we allowed Eastwood to operate there and openly ridicule virtually all of our beliefs and only finally banned him for threatening physical violence to another user.

I don’t understand, I thought this guy was a dyed in the wool conservative. What happened?

You and YH got into pretty terrible fights on there and both of you got infracted for them by the mods so please don’t relitigate that on here .

Wait, you guys kept the segregationist around???

[Hindsight was 2020]

Honestly one the most weird ass dynamic in politics today is how some of the most hostile figures to trans people come from the smug atheist community think guys like Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, or Dule here. The weirdest part is they’ll condense to religious people for holding these anti scientific views but they themselves will advocate some of the most anti scientific stances on the trans/gender topic

Such as?

“Most trans people are making it up to look cool” has been a favorite recently especially from Bill Maher

How is that anti-science? Transtrenders are a thing

“People are going through hormone operations, getting sex change operations and subjecting themselves to hate crimes and discrimination because they want to look to a niche group of American society” doesn’t sound ridiculous at all right? 🙄

[VBM]

Honestly one the most weird ass dynamic in politics today is how some of the most hostile figures to trans people come from the smug atheist community think guys like Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, or Dule here. The weirdest part is they’ll condense to religious people for holding these anti scientific views but they themselves will advocate some of the most anti scientific stances on the trans/gender topic

Such as?

“Most trans people are making it up to look cool” has been a favorite recently especially from Bill Maher

How is that anti-science? Transtrenders are a thing

“People are going through hormone operations, getting sex change operations and subjecting themselves to hate crimes and discrimination because they want to look to a niche group of American society” doesn’t sound ridiculous at all right? 🙄

How is it “anti-science” though? You not liking that opinion doesn’t automatically make it “anti-science.” Anyways, there factually are people who identify as LGBT+ despite basically being cis and straight

[Hindsight was 2020]

Honestly one the most weird ass dynamic in politics today is how some of the most hostile figures to trans people come from the smug atheist community think guys like Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, or Dule here. The weirdest part is they’ll condense to religious people for holding these anti scientific views but they themselves will advocate some of the most anti scientific stances on the trans/gender topic

Such as?

“Most trans people are making it up to look cool” has been a favorite recently especially from Bill Maher

How is that anti-science? Transtrenders are a thing

“People are going through hormone operations, getting sex change operations and subjecting themselves to hate crimes and discrimination because they want to look to a niche group of American society” doesn’t sound ridiculous at all right? 🙄

How is it “anti-science” though? You not liking that opinion doesn’t automatically make it “anti-science.” Anyways, there factually are people who identify as LGBT+ despite basically being cis and straight

It’s “anti-science” because there is no research, reports, or studies saying this is a legit phenomenon let alone one that a majority of people who identify as trans are participating in

[Ferguson97]

And when does the genocide begin?

The forcible detransition of transgender people constitutes genocide, per the UN definition.

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

a. Killing members of the group;
b. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
c. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
d. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
e. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

This again, Fergie?

To be clear, you have now moved the goal posts from “lol no one wants to genocide trans people” to that it’s literally impossible to genocide trans people, because they’re not a racial or religious group? You’re arguing that if the federal government rounded up and killed every single LGBT person in the country and executed them, this would AKSHALLY not constitute a genocide?

[John Dule]

To be clear, you have now moved the goal posts from “lol no one wants to genocide trans people” to that it’s literally impossible to genocide trans people, because they’re not a racial or religious group? You’re arguing that if the federal government rounded up and killed every single LGBT person in the country and executed them, this would AKSHALLY not constitute a genocide?

1. You are the one who posted the definition. I have now pointed out twice that the definition does not support your argument. You are free to keep posting it if you like, but it would not be advisable.

2. You wrote this comment in this thread:

To deny that the killing of transgender people is the goal of many in the Republican Party is to either live in ignorance or to deliberately lie.

I asked you to explain how this state of affairs could ever occur. You then made a comment about forcible detransitioning, which was unrelated to what we were discussing (we were discussing the deliberate killing of trans people). If trans people were actually being killed by the government, I would not be a stickler about definitions and it would be acceptable for you to call it a genocide. But this comment did not suggest that such a situation could occur:

Republicans move the goal posts from just banning gender-affirming care for minors to banning it for anyone under 25 (when the brain finishes developing), and then eventually to all adults. You can only call something dangerous and risky and "mutilation" for so long before you move to wanting to ban it altogether.

After that happens, they would slowly move to forcibly de-transition people who are in the process of or who have completed transitioning. If gender-affirming care is really that awful and dangerous that it needs to be banned, why not take the next logical step and "help" those who have made the mistake of going through the process before it was banned?

This is all an aside to the fact that the scenario you outlined here was completely ridiculous. How exactly are Republicans going to "forcibly de-transition" someone who lives in San Francisco? You are stark raving insane if you think this is remotely plausible. This is why I do not take you seriously on this subject: You use the most hyperbolic rhetoric you can think of because you get emotional, and then you find yourself defending an indefensible position. Why should I spend time formulating responses to arguments that you barely put any thought into in the first place?

[7,052,770]

What does San Francisco have to do with what Republicans are doing in red states? Obviously the blue states where Republicans are not in power are extremely likely to continue to be pro-LGBT.

[John Dule]

What does San Francisco have to do with what Republicans are doing in red states? Obviously the blue states where Republicans are not in power are extremely likely to continue to be pro-LGBT.

The point still stands though. Do you and Fergie actually think that jackbooted GOP thugs are going to break down people's doors and forcibly inject them with testosterone to reverse their puberty blockers in any state?

[7,052,770]

What does San Francisco have to do with what Republicans are doing in red states? Obviously the blue states where Republicans are not in power are extremely likely to continue to be pro-LGBT.

The point still stands though. Do you and Fergie actually think that jackbooted GOP thugs are going to break down people's doors and forcibly inject them with testosterone to reverse their puberty blockers in any state?

I can't speak for Ferguson, but yes, I expect red states to ban puberty blockers (hasn't one already?). There is no need to inject anyone with anything to "reverse" them, the body will revert to making the standard hormones when the patient comes off the blockers. It won't be a violent thing like you're describing, it's just that the treatment will be unavailable.

Also, I expect to see more of what we saw in Texas last year where the GOP governor forced CPS to break up families if a parent or child was trans under the justification that the adult is a "child abuser." Call that a "jackbooted thug" if you want.

[DrScholl]

Force isn't really necessary. As we have seen with the reversal of Roe v. Wade many doctors are forced to comply with state law under the threat of arrest and having their license revoked. A federal law could easily implement a ban on gender affirming care and a 6-3 conservative majority on the court would uphold it.

[OSR stands with Israel]

    It amuses me how Atlas has fearmongered for ages about Conservacord being a far-right echo chamber, while we allowed Eastwood to operate there and openly ridicule virtually all of our beliefs and only finally banned him for threatening physical violence to another user.

I don’t understand, I thought this guy was a dyed in the wool conservative. What happened?

You and YH got into pretty terrible fights on there and both of you got infracted for them by the mods so please don’t relitigate that on here .

Wait, you guys kept the segregationist around???

YH isn’t banned from Atlas either given his temp ban expired a while ago . Also if you don’t take his views seriously, he can be extremely entertaining.

Like I can tell you , that the civil war threads along with threads about Lincoln were way way more entertaining when YH posts about them then when he doesn’t

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

What does San Francisco have to do with what Republicans are doing in red states? Obviously the blue states where Republicans are not in power are extremely likely to continue to be pro-LGBT.

The point still stands though. Do you and Fergie actually think that jackbooted GOP thugs are going to break down people's doors and forcibly inject them with testosterone to reverse their puberty blockers in any state?

I can't speak for Ferguson, but yes, I expect red states to ban puberty blockers (hasn't one already?). There is no need to inject anyone with anything to "reverse" them, the body will revert to making the standard hormones when the patient comes off the blockers. It won't be a violent thing like you're describing, it's just that the treatment will be unavailable.

Also, I expect to see more of what we saw in Texas last year where the GOP governor forced CPS to break up families if a parent or child was trans under the justification that the adult is a "child abuser." Call that a "jackbooted thug" if you want.

So have Finland and Sweden.

[Perlen vor den Schweinen]

We should be injecting more people with hormones at all ages. Clearly the levels of many on this forum are way out of line. Must be all the soy filler products they are overingesting. Microplastics too are causing an issue probably.... hormones might also be a cause a crime wave, given the male patterns of aggression across the sexes in recent crimes

[Ferguson97]

This is all an aside to the fact that the scenario you outlined here was completely ridiculous. How exactly are Republicans going to "forcibly de-transition" someone who lives in San Francisco? You are stark raving insane if you think this is remotely plausible. This is why I do not take you seriously on this subject: You use the most hyperbolic rhetoric you can think of because you get emotional, and then you find yourself defending an indefensible position. Why should I spend time formulating responses to arguments that you barely put any thought into in the first place?

Are you unfamiliar with the concept of federal laws? What exactly would stop a GOP trifecta from passing a law banning gender-affirming care at the national level?

[7,052,770]

What does San Francisco have to do with what Republicans are doing in red states? Obviously the blue states where Republicans are not in power are extremely likely to continue to be pro-LGBT.

The point still stands though. Do you and Fergie actually think that jackbooted GOP thugs are going to break down people's doors and forcibly inject them with testosterone to reverse their puberty blockers in any state?

I can't speak for Ferguson, but yes, I expect red states to ban puberty blockers (hasn't one already?). There is no need to inject anyone with anything to "reverse" them, the body will revert to making the standard hormones when the patient comes off the blockers. It won't be a violent thing like you're describing, it's just that the treatment will be unavailable.

Also, I expect to see more of what we saw in Texas last year where the GOP governor forced CPS to break up families if a parent or child was trans under the justification that the adult is a "child abuser." Call that a "jackbooted thug" if you want.

So have Finland and Sweden.

Not sure about Finland, but it was just 1 hospital in Sweden that stopped doing them, not a national ban.

[Badger]

"This bad thing is happening to this group"

"No it isn't"

"Wait but I'm a person from that group and I've noticed this happening"

"You're just being dramatic"

Look, I'm not going to get into the minutia of what is or isn't happening. All I'm going to say is - when people of a group tell you they're being treated differently and feeling less safe...why are you rushing to doubt their experience?

Because the people rushing to doubt it are either, a, among the group who are actively participating in those bad things happening to that group, or b, a group of persons whose ideology is, well not sympathetic to group a, far more threatened by allegations of disparate treatment than the actual disparate treatment of others itself.

[John Dule]

This is all an aside to the fact that the scenario you outlined here was completely ridiculous. How exactly are Republicans going to "forcibly de-transition" someone who lives in San Francisco? You are stark raving insane if you think this is remotely plausible. This is why I do not take you seriously on this subject: You use the most hyperbolic rhetoric you can think of because you get emotional, and then you find yourself defending an indefensible position. Why should I spend time formulating responses to arguments that you barely put any thought into in the first place?

Are you unfamiliar with the concept of federal laws? What exactly would stop a GOP trifecta from passing a law banning gender-affirming care at the national level?

The Constitution would stop it from happening because it is an issue that is up for the states to decide. The regulation of health and welfare falls under the police powers reserved to the states.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

This is utter baloney.

Catastrophising unecessarily on a daily basis is bad for the forum.

It's the logical result of decades of increasingly alarmist rhetoric, sadly.