2024 Third Party and Independent Candidate General discussion

[MichaelM24]

The Party for Socialism and Libertarian (PSL) have announced their presidential ticket - Claudia de la Cruz and for VP, Karina Garcia.

They released a video for those interested:

PSL haven't had write-in access in Indiana, and I don't know if I'd have preferred Gloria la Riva over Monica Moorehead (WWP), for instance, in 2016, but as a socialist, I appreciate their message, and I hope that they get as much ballot access as possible.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

Michael Rectenwald filed his FEC declaration a few weeks ago running for president in the Libertarian primary, presumably with the support of the ruling conservative/paleolibertarian Mises Caucus
Michael Heise, the MC's founder and chair, described him as "A former NYU professor that was cancelled which red pilled him him into Mises Rothbard and Hoppe, became a Mises Institute guy, and has been on Tucker Carlson, Glenn Beck, Steve Bannon and has connections through Hillsdale College"

[ReallySuper]

love claudia from her work w/ the people's forum, codepink and lots of other leftist organizing. hate claudia for making me have to choose between her and cornel 

[MichaelM24]

love claudia from her work w/ the people's forum, codepink and lots of other leftist organizing. hate claudia for making me have to choose between her and cornel 

I really think (and always have) that leftist presidential candidates should endeavor to hold debates in order to hash out their policy differences.

Look back at 2020 - how many people could have told you the differences between Joseph Kishore, Howie Hawkins, Alyson Kennedy, and Gloria La Riva?

I'd love to see West and De la Cruz, and whoever else runs (from perhaps the SPUSA, SWP, WWP, etc.) have multiple discussions of their visions moving forward. It would also be educational insofar as explaining the different places they have ballot access (because let's be real, there are people out there supporting Cornel West that will never get the chance to vote for him).

[PSOL]

Well s•••, things just got interesting. The P&F party is going to have a competitive primary.

It would be a well deserved death sentence for the Green Party to repeat 2020 and have Cornel fail at getting democrats to vote for him. None of this would have happened had the Blackagendareport faction found someone of their own to run instead of getting a democrat.

May this be a lesson to all that candidate recruitment and organizational models matter for change. And that keeping traitors and secret democratic saboteurs like Jill Stein is a death sentence long term.

[Blow by blow, the passion dies]

 https://twitter.com/bfp2024/status/1702369306523078892?t=ovVz0q5tmTpLLahRboN4IQ&s=19

She is unlikely to get ballot access anywhere, or to appeal to the working-class voters stereotypically associated with left-wing conservatism, but it's interesting to see how this goes.

[Zenobiyl]

Damn, candidates like her might make me reconsider voting ASP in 2024.

[All Along The Watchtower]

28 followers? She definitely has a bright political future.

EDIT: That was unfair, she has almost 2500 on her personal account, which is massive by Twitter/X standards.

[Reactionary Libertarian]

Wow, progressive activism AND pro-lifism? Really trying to lose everybody here.

[Pheurton Skeurto]

https://twitter.com/bfp2024/status/1702369306523078892?t=ovVz0q5tmTpLLahRboN4IQ&s=19

She is unlikely to get ballot access anywhere, or to appeal to the working-class voters stereotypically associated with left-wing conservatism, but it's interesting to see how this goes.

Smells like a grift.

[AltWorlder]

Yeah check out this thread

https://Twitter.com/taliaotg/status/1702150305708712242
https://twitter.com/taliaotg/status/1702150338709492038

Conclusion:
https://twitter.com/taliaotg/status/1702157235386749408

[ReallySuper]

also bc shes running as a dem this is the wrong thread for this anyway

[Blow by blow, the passion dies]

also bc shes running as a dem this is the wrong thread for this anyway

I was the original author but the thread got moved.

[PSOL]

So we have cash numbers

Forward Party   $1,608,067
No Labels SuperPAC   $1,499,330
Libertarian Party   $513,000
Green Party   $107,782
Cornell West   $71,398
American Solidarity Party   $46,317
Constitution Party   $43,979
Reform Party   $2,445

Contested ASP numbers
Cash on hand 1/1/23: $119,749
Total Receipts 1/1/23 thru 6/30/23: $46,317
Total Disbursements 1/1/23 thru 6/30/23: $27,805
Cash on hand 6/30/23: $138,260

And take note the Prohibition party gets $4,000 from some odd trust.

Take note that the Green party has allegedly 25,000 active members totaling out to each member giving on average $7.12.

[AltWorlder]

also bc shes running as a dem this is the wrong thread for this anyway

Eh I think it’s not so bad to have obscure long shots here. Though sometimes it’s a fine line. Should Joe Exotic be here or have his own thread as a Democratic candidate? Trick question, like Kanye West he doesn’t seem to be doing anything, squandering the memeability of his candidacy.

[PSOL]

also bc shes running as a dem this is the wrong thread for this anyway

Eh I think it’s not so bad to have obscure long shots here. Though sometimes it’s a fine line. Should Joe Exotic be here or have his own thread as a Democratic candidate? Trick question, like Kanye West he doesn’t seem to be doing anything, squandering the memeability of his candidacy.

Not how I roll

[PSOL]

Cornel West, in beating my expectations, has actually started campaigning hard and has been very supportive on the ground with the UAW strikers. I assumed he would generally just stick with being on podcasts and not campaign, and I was sorely mistaken and incorrect with my analysis. Generally i think the direction of the West campaign is going well and hitting the right boxes. I would like to see more of this and serious campaigning nationwide. Afterall, with the media being much more favorable to West than to Hawkins and the resulting influx of cash, as is the fact that the personal fortune of West and his social circle is much greater than Hawkin’s is, the least that can happen is put in a serious campaign under such favorable circumstances.
Colorado has three centrist parties running in 2024. The Unity party—which generally stood away from joining the now moribund Alliance—No Labels, and recently registered Center party. There is a general level of lane blocking that may hinder things later on
Libertarians may not be running for Massachusetts races. Such a move by the Libertarian party is a bad idea and will ultimately weaken the party.

[PSOL]

https://twitter.com/CornelWest/status/1706327530800640055

Beated Biden by two days.
The PSL campaign probably would have also beaten Biden to be there earlier but the ANSWER HQ burned down several days ago. Much of their history and a major center of their operations have been lost.
A 12% drop in membership may be the conservative estimate as the LP enters a crisis. With Libertarians being more willing to endorse Republicans and even accepting talks with RFK Jr, they have chosen to wither and die instead of thrive.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I never considered RFK as a Libertarian, but hey, if Gravel could run credibly for their nomination in '08 at the Ron Paul movement's peak, than I guess RFK can too.

I'm also pleasantly surprised at how well things are going for Brother West. I would probably vote for him if we don't run Vivek or Trump.

Lastly, what party do you think Nina Turner will be running under? Democrat, Peoples, Green, or as Cornell's VP? She's got a big announcement coming.

[Aurelius2]

Libertarians are in talks with RFK Jr? LMAO. He's whatever the opposite of a libertarian is. Even Bill Weld was far truer to libertarianism.

[PSOL]

I never considered RFK as a Libertarian, but hey, if Gravel could run credibly for their nomination in '08 at the Ron Paul movement's peak, than I guess RFK can too.

I'm also pleasantly surprised at how well things are going for Brother West. I would probably vote for him if we don't run Vivek or Trump.

Lastly, what party do you think Nina Turner will be running under? Democrat, Peoples, Green, or as Cornell's VP? She's got a big announcement coming.

Gravel had an anti-war and pro-whistleblower record while Jr is an AA-supporting environmentalist.

Nina Turner's a democrat.

Join the dark side my friend, we have cookies and pro-human policies.

Libertarians are in talks with RFK Jr? LMAO. He's whatever the opposite of a libertarian is. Even Bill Weld was far truer to libertarianism.

The billionaire backing the Mises Caucus is a major MAGA guy who wants to destroy the party to ensure that Republicans can eliminate the competition. I would not be surprised by a safe-state move that will further plummet the party.

[Open Source Intelligence]

Libertarians are in talks with RFK Jr? LMAO. He's whatever the opposite of a libertarian is. Even Bill Weld was far truer to libertarianism.

The billionaire backing the Mises Caucus is a major MAGA guy who wants to destroy the party to ensure that Republicans can eliminate the competition. I would not be surprised by a safe-state move that will further plummet the party.

The Libertarian National Convention is a delegate convention. You can't just parade in and have your supporters practice entryism in primaries to win the nomination. (You have to become national and state party members, be delegates to your state convention from your county that become nominated to be national convention delegates.)

The Mises Caucus were by what I've seen written demoralized by Dave Smith choosing to not run for the nomination. If you want some humor check out National Secretary Caryn Ann Harlos's reaction to it. In the leaks that came out about a month ago of Chair Angela McArdle in a much smaller circle of people talking frankly about things on a Discord account because she never expected it to go public, she mentioned "Dave Smith for President" was the only thing that got the Mises Caucus people going as far as their interaction to do stuff in the national party apparatus. Smith chose not to run, and NYU Prof. Michael Rectenwald is the Mises Caucus Chair Michael Heise's pick to replace him as their candidate. Rectenwald completely lacks charisma and records put up by the Fakertarians Twitter feed showed he had donated something like 59 times the past few years to Donald Trump and as recently as the spring had been stating publicly on his Twitter he supports and will vote for Trump (now deleted, but the Fakertarians Twitter has a screenshot). Why Heise picked Rectenwald is only known to Heise as it was not a caucus vote/nomination, it was just a pick of Heise. And in public channels some caucus members have been "why the eff did you pick this guy?" The Rectenwald selection reminds me of when in the aftermath of Donald Trump in 2016 it was known he would be the nominee some dissident conservatives put up David French as their guy briefly.

That RFK Jr. is entertaining running as a Libertarian I think is more one of strategy of "this is the group that has the most ballot access that saves me from having to do that work" versus genuinely believing in the party. So this is Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney, Bill Weld, Mike Gravel, Virgil Goode stuff of Republicans/Democrats that couldn't get anywhere there taking a minor party nomination, but once the election is over they're going to move on and leave the party, having served them their purpose. It's why I give big marks to Gary Johnson.

Main candidates at this time in my opinion:

-Rectenwald, so far top choice of the Mises Caucus
-Chase Oliver, so far top choice of the Pragmatists
-Josh Smith, was elected Vice Chair at Reno, resigned early this year, annoyed the Mises Caucus about that, the Pragmatists hate him, I don't expect him to win but probably the choice of the Radicals that are not Mises Caucus members
-Jacob Hornberger, runner-up for the nomination in 2000 and 2020, was the choice of the Mises Caucus in 2020 but they're not backing him this time, also don't expect him to win for that reason, he made some party members mad in 2020 for his treatment of Justin Amash's brief late entry into the race which probably was a reason why Jorgensen got the nomination and not him

The Mises Caucus after the last 15 months in control have permanently lost control in New Hampshire in a Mises/Radical split there involving the Free State Project. There's lawsuits going on with multiple state affiliates all while membership and finances are going down with some members not renewing/giving funds to the national party with Mises in control. I see shenanigans likely occurring as it relates to credentials and the size of delegations at the National Convention in D.C. because your delegation's size is based on vote in the last presidential election - which is public record and cannot be disputed - and the number of national party members your state has.

I don't see it as automatic Rectenwald will get coronated in D.C. The current state of the party what it is it's not what Mises Caucus members that went to Reno were told things would be, so how many of them are planning on spending thousands of dollars to attend the National Convention? The Mises Caucus members that do go though, even if Rectenwald they reject as their guy, they still hate the Pragmatists (that's the old regime they kicked out of power), so maybe as some kind of compromise Jacob Hornberger does wind up winning. For RFK Jr. to have an opening to win the nomination, you're either significantly weaking an existing caucus or having one of them go completely over to RFK Jr. I don't see that being the Pragmatists, and I don't see the Radicals agreeing with RFK Jr. on his views of business, so that leaves the Mises Caucus.

[Minnesota Mike]

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/exclusive-robert-f-kennedy-jr-planning-to-announce-independent-run/

2024 presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. plans to announce he will run as an independent on October 9 in Pennsylvania, Mediaite has learned.

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

If he makes the ballot, this is probably pretty bad for Biden, as polls show him losing 10% of primary voters to RFK.

[Minnesota Mike]

The grift can now continue until Nov 2024.