Manchin says no to new round of $2k cheques (update: not quite)

[BudgieForce]

I presume he's only doing this because he knows it has Republican votes, so he'll use this vote to maintain his "record" of "independence" from (& "fiscal restraint" compared to) the Democrats. Like I've previously pointed out, though, the man has never cast a deciding vote against the Democratic Party line over the course of his nearly 10 years in the Senate. That's just not changing now.

Won't the $2k be part of a larger Democratic stimulus bill though?

Theres a clean house bill that's just for $1400. I assume Schumer will take that up.

[Crumpets]

He's falling into the same trap as Pryor - thinking that going conservative on economic issues will help him keep crossover Republican voters in a deep red state rather than realizing those voters only crossed over because they want less conservative economic policy.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I presume he's only doing this because he knows it has Republican votes, so he'll use this vote to maintain his "record" of "independence" from (& "fiscal restraint" compared to) the Democrats. Like I've previously pointed out, though, the man has never cast a deciding vote against the Democratic Party line over the course of his nearly 10 years in the Senate. That's just not changing now.

Won't the $2k be part of a larger Democratic stimulus bill though?

Theres a clean house bill that's just for $1400. I assume Schumer will take that up.

Good point, Manchin will almost certainly vote for that.  And I maintain he'll end up allowing elimination of the filibuster for the creation of new states and won't block creating Douglas Commonwealth.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1347586690634846209?s=20

[KaiserDave]

I'm looking forward to two years of people falling for this routine.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

I presume he's only doing this because he knows it has Republican votes, so he'll use this vote to maintain his "record" of "independence" from (& "fiscal restraint" compared to) the Democrats. Like I've previously pointed out, though, the man has never cast a deciding vote against the Democratic Party line over the course of his nearly 10 years in the Senate. That's just not changing now.

Won't the $2k be part of a larger Democratic stimulus bill though?

Theres a clean house bill that's just for $1400. I assume Schumer will take that up.

Will that get 10 Republican votes?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I presume he's only doing this because he knows it has Republican votes, so he'll use this vote to maintain his "record" of "independence" from (& "fiscal restraint" compared to) the Democrats. Like I've previously pointed out, though, the man has never cast a deciding vote against the Democratic Party line over the course of his nearly 10 years in the Senate. That's just not changing now.

Won't the $2k be part of a larger Democratic stimulus bill though?

Theres a clean house bill that's just for $1400. I assume Schumer will take that up.

Will that get 10 Republican votes?

Reconciliation

[7,052,770]

DC Statehood now.

If Manchin won't even support a $2k stimulus, there's zero chance DC statehood is happening.

this presumes every Republican would vote no.  I am not sure that's the case.

No GOPer will support DC statehood. I am 100% sure of that.

Murkowski already basically does, comparing it to Alaska's push for statehood.

I also take issue with the idea that Manchin will oppose DC Statehood. This is a totally separate issue on a multi-dimensional political spectrum.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I presume he's only doing this because he knows it has Republican votes, so he'll use this vote to maintain his "record" of "independence" from (& "fiscal restraint" compared to) the Democrats. Like I've previously pointed out, though, the man has never cast a deciding vote against the Democratic Party line over the course of his nearly 10 years in the Senate. That's just not changing now.

Won't the $2k be part of a larger Democratic stimulus bill though?

Theres a clean house bill that's just for $1400. I assume Schumer will take that up.

Will that get 10 Republican votes?

Reconciliation

We can't waste a reconciliation bill on just the checks. We need the checks, money for states, boosted unemployment insurance, and a lot of more urgent financial relief to avoid a recession.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

If Manchin’s gonna stand by this we ought to offer Murkowski the chairmanship of the Energy committee and get her to caucus with us.

[vitoNova]

He will go full Trumper and change parties the moment Nubian Queen Kamala is coronated. 

You heard it here first.

[7,052,770]

If Manchin’s gonna stand by this we ought to offer Murkowski the chairmanship of the Energy committee and get her to caucus with us.

I doubt she will, but it's worth it to put out some feelers and see what it would take.

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

I hope he switches parties at this point. I'm fed up with him. He is better than the alternatives in WV, but that makes our work in 2022 to get actual Democrats elected to rebuild the Senate majority even more important. We should consider him a no on just about every crucial piece of legislation for the next 2 years and work to bring Romney or Murkowski on board in his place.

I'm retracting this post and admitting my mistake after reading what some others have said. But I am still upset that Manchin would pretend to be up in the air about this issue.

[Alcibiades]

I hope he switches parties at this point. I'm fed up with him. He is better than the alternatives in WV, but that makes our work in 2022 to get actual Democrats elected to rebuild the Senate majority even more important. We should consider him a no on just about every crucial piece of legislation for the next 2 years and work to bring Romney or Murkowski on board in his place.

It bears repeating, he’s not going to be a nay when he has the deciding vote.

[KaiserDave]

I hope he switches parties at this point. I'm fed up with him. He is better than the alternatives in WV, but that makes our work in 2022 to get actual Democrats elected to rebuild the Senate majority even more important. We should consider him a no on just about every crucial piece of legislation for the next 2 years and work to bring Romney or Murkowski on board in his place.

R2D2 I know you're just mad, but you know that this is stupidity.

[7,052,770]

Also, it's probably worth speculating that he's grandstanding and will likely fall in line once he hears from his constituents, one of the poorest states.

[BudgieForce]

I think Schumer can get Manchin on board with a larger aid bill. Atleast that's what I've gleamed from Manchin's comments. I think that's where we're heading anyway.

Schumer wont waste reconciliation on just checks anyway, so we'll get one large stimulus bill.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

I presume he's only doing this because he knows it has Republican votes, so he'll use this vote to maintain his "record" of "independence" from (& "fiscal restraint" compared to) the Democrats. Like I've previously pointed out, though, the man has never cast a deciding vote against the Democratic Party line over the course of his nearly 10 years in the Senate. That's just not changing now.

Won't the $2k be part of a larger Democratic stimulus bill though?

Theres a clean house bill that's just for $1400. I assume Schumer will take that up.

Will that get 10 Republican votes?

Reconciliation

For just stimulus checks? Not as part of a spending bill?

[KaiserDave]

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1347619095877971976

AHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

[BudgieForce]

Can we all chill now?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I presume he's only doing this because he knows it has Republican votes, so he'll use this vote to maintain his "record" of "independence" from (& "fiscal restraint" compared to) the Democrats. Like I've previously pointed out, though, the man has never cast a deciding vote against the Democratic Party line over the course of his nearly 10 years in the Senate. That's just not changing now.

Won't the $2k be part of a larger Democratic stimulus bill though?

Theres a clean house bill that's just for $1400. I assume Schumer will take that up.

Will that get 10 Republican votes?

Reconciliation

For just stimulus checks? Not as part of a spending bill?

I thought it went without saying that this would be part of a large spending bill

[KaiserDave]

AHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

The next two years will be very funny

[It's Perro Sanxe wot won it]

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1347619095877971976

At the end of the day, Joe Manchin always toes the party line when he’s needed to.

[KaiserDave]

You all just fell for the Manchin

[WD]

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1347619095877971976
AHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

but manchin will vote against biden 50%+ of the time imo