Tara Reade Biden allegation megathread

[Koharu]

"oh no she was docked pay for misconduct and fired, she can't be telling the truth!"
You realize those are common tactics used by men to force women into silence, yeah?

"someone would have held Biden accountable if this was true!!!"
Have you been ignoring the stories over the last few years? The whole point is that people know and very few men are held accountable. Power is more important, and someone who's just 'loveable' is easy to cover up for.

I don't know how I feel about these allegations, but I'm disgusted by people who supposedly are on the side of women and minorities blowing these allegations off with the same tired excuses that have been used to perpetuate and protect rape culture in America for decades. Even if he is innocent of sexual assault and/or rape, he has been willing to invade people's space and makes jokes about it when called out on the issue. That's not appropriate behavior. Stop making excuses and listen and investigate and don't assume he's okay because he's a Democrat.

You don't have to believe Tara Reade to treat her like a human being and have the decency to listen to her and not just dismiss her claims out-of-hand. I'm not particularly convinced by what I've heard, but I'm not going to discuss her claims because she's done things I don't like. Bad people can be assaulted, too, and that doesn't make it okay or acceptable.

Obviously Trump is a rapist and should never have been allowed anywhere near the oval office. That also doesn't make it okay to sweep this under the rug and pretend that Biden is pure as freshly-fallen snow.

[Bomster]

Stop feeding the troll you idiots

I’m not a troll. Stop calling me one. What would I gain from trolling you people?

[pppolitics]

"oh no she was docked pay for misconduct and fired, she can't be telling the truth!"
You realize those are common tactics used by men to force women into silence, yeah?

"someone would have held Biden accountable if this was true!!!"
Have you been ignoring the stories over the last few years? The whole point is that people know and very few men are held accountable. Power is more important, and someone who's just 'loveable' is easy to cover up for.

I don't know how I feel about these allegations, but I'm disgusted by people who supposedly are on the side of women and minorities blowing these allegations off with the same tired excuses that have been used to perpetuate and protect rape culture in America for decades. Even if he is innocent of sexual assault and/or rape, he has been willing to invade people's space and makes jokes about it when called out on the issue. That's not appropriate behavior. Stop making excuses and listen and investigate and don't assume he's okay because he's a Democrat.

You don't have to believe Tara Reade to treat her like a human being and have the decency to listen to her and not just dismiss her claims out-of-hand. I'm not particularly convinced by what I've heard, but I'm not going to discuss her claims because she's done things I don't like. Bad people can be assaulted, too, and that doesn't make it okay or acceptable.

Obviously Trump is a rapist and should never have been allowed anywhere near the oval office. That also doesn't make it okay to sweep this under the rug and pretend that Biden is pure as freshly-fallen snow.

The problem with this allegation is that there is no evidence.

It's a he-said-she-said.

...so all we have to look at is her character and she's one hell of a character

[Bidenworth2020]

"oh no she was docked pay for misconduct and fired, she can't be telling the truth!"
You realize those are common tactics used by men to force women into silence, yeah?

"someone would have held Biden accountable if this was true!!!"
Have you been ignoring the stories over the last few years? The whole point is that people know and very few men are held accountable. Power is more important, and someone who's just 'loveable' is easy to cover up for.

I don't know how I feel about these allegations, but I'm disgusted by people who supposedly are on the side of women and minorities blowing these allegations off with the same tired excuses that have been used to perpetuate and protect rape culture in America for decades. Even if he is innocent of sexual assault and/or rape, he has been willing to invade people's space and makes jokes about it when called out on the issue. That's not appropriate behavior. Stop making excuses and listen and investigate and don't assume he's okay because he's a Democrat.

You don't have to believe Tara Reade to treat her like a human being and have the decency to listen to her and not just dismiss her claims out-of-hand. I'm not particularly convinced by what I've heard, but I'm not going to discuss her claims because she's done things I don't like. Bad people can be assaulted, too, and that doesn't make it okay or acceptable.

Obviously Trump is a rapist and should never have been allowed anywhere near the oval office. That also doesn't make it okay to sweep this under the rug and pretend that Biden is pure as freshly-fallen snow.

The fact that you have the gall to come into this thread, which includes 88 pages and has dozens of effort posts about this allegation by MacArthur and others about every aspect of this case and say "this need to be investigated" and "she needs to be heard" is really telling, tbh. This is (or at least should be) a thread for serious discussion, not airing out your grievances about Biden in general.

[roxas11]

"oh no she was docked pay for misconduct and fired, she can't be telling the truth!"
You realize those are common tactics used by men to force women into silence, yeah?

"someone would have held Biden accountable if this was true!!!"
Have you been ignoring the stories over the last few years? The whole point is that people know and very few men are held accountable. Power is more important, and someone who's just 'loveable' is easy to cover up for.

I don't know how I feel about these allegations, but I'm disgusted by people who supposedly are on the side of women and minorities blowing these allegations off with the same tired excuses that have been used to perpetuate and protect rape culture in America for decades. Even if he is innocent of sexual assault and/or rape, he has been willing to invade people's space and makes jokes about it when called out on the issue. That's not appropriate behavior. Stop making excuses and listen and investigate and don't assume he's okay because he's a Democrat.

You don't have to believe Tara Reade to treat her like a human being and have the decency to listen to her and not just dismiss her claims out-of-hand. I'm not particularly convinced by what I've heard, but I'm not going to discuss her claims because she's done things I don't like. Bad people can be assaulted, too, and that doesn't make it okay or acceptable.

You spend too much time blaming everyone else while Ignoring the fact that Tara herself is to blame for much of the attacks people are now throwing at her. She should have been honest from the start instead of having people dig up this news about her. We should have heard about all of this from her at the very beginning instead her trying to hide it or outright lie about what actually happened

again that is no one else's fault but her's
This has nothing to do with her pay being docked for misconduct and being fired or that some are claiming that means she can't be telling the truth because of that

This is about her not being honest about why she got fired in the first place and people have every right to call her out for that. Ford never had these kinds of problems in 2018 because unlike Tara she was honest about everything from the very start. I never needed to make this kinds of BS excuses in order to defend her or her credibility

[roxas11]

Obviously Trump is a rapist and should never have been allowed anywhere near the oval office. That also doesn't make it okay to sweep this under the rug and pretend that Biden is pure as freshly-fallen snow.

yet Tara seems perfectly willing to sweep the 40 woman who trump assaulted under the rug in order to help him take out Biden

[GeneralMacArthur]

Oh my god, f**k that cartoon.

Nobody is shutting Tara up!  Nobody's gagging Tara!  She's out there in the news media every single day spreading her lies and the media is actively helping her do so!

For heaven's sake, this is NOT a both-sides case.  It isn't "both sides do it, but one does it a lot worse."
 Trump won't even do a DNA test to prove that he didn't sexually assault E. Jean Carroll.  If there was something that simple Biden could do to prove definitively that he didn't sexually assault Reade, he would have done it weeks ago.

This Tara Reade investigation has been exhaustively investigated and she has been proven over and over and over and over and over again to be a fraud.  Yet the media continues to insist that the case "needs more investigation."  Meanwhile Trump has 25 women accusing him of sexual assault, they never get talked about and he never has to answer any questions about them.  Nobody ever seems to think that they warrant even a modicum of investigation.  They never appear in the media.  Nobody ever writes about them.  This despite many of them being far more credible than Reade was when she first appeared.  The Reade case is at like a 95/100 on the investigation scale while E. Jean Carroll is at like 2/100 but the media seems to think that getting from 95 to 96 on Reade is far more important.

Biden was grilled for 20 minutes on Morning Joe about Tara Reade.  She was offered interviews on every cable news outlet and cancelled a scheduled one with Fox News.  The New York Times wrote a dozen different editorials demanding that Biden open his private records, or drop out, or "be more respectful", or any other number of stupid criticisms.  How is any of this her being gagged?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Trump accusers didnt take the case to CRT, and Reade isnt gonna convince the public without a Congressional investigation and Special Prosector to assist in investigating Biden
 The earliest that can happen is 2022.

Reade wont be able to win this case on her own, with his word against hers. That's why Biden isnt admitting to anything

[Landslide Lyndon]

All these people who try to compare Biden to Trump and use arguments like "I'd vote for Biden even if he raped her because the fate of the nation is at stake" are doing a great disservice to Biden because they are acting as if Reade's claim is credible when it obviously isn't.

[BlueSwan]

Oh my god, f**k that cartoon.

Nobody is shutting Tara up!  Nobody's gagging Tara!  She's out there in the news media every single day spreading her lies and the media is actively helping her do so!

For heaven's sake, this is NOT a both-sides case.  It isn't "both sides do it, but one does it a lot worse."
 Trump won't even do a DNA test to prove that he didn't sexually assault E. Jean Carroll.  If there was something that simple Biden could do to prove definitively that he didn't sexually assault Reade, he would have done it weeks ago.

This Tara Reade investigation has been exhaustively investigated and she has been proven over and over and over and over and over again to be a fraud.  Yet the media continues to insist that the case "needs more investigation."  Meanwhile Trump has 25 women accusing him of sexual assault, they never get talked about and he never has to answer any questions about them.  Nobody ever seems to think that they warrant even a modicum of investigation.  They never appear in the media.  Nobody ever writes about them.  This despite many of them being far more credible than Reade was when she first appeared.  The Reade case is at like a 95/100 on the investigation scale while E. Jean Carroll is at like 2/100 but the media seems to think that getting from 95 to 96 on Reade is far more important.

Biden was grilled for 20 minutes on Morning Joe about Tara Reade.  She was offered interviews on every cable news outlet and cancelled a scheduled one with Fox News.  The New York Times wrote a dozen different editorials demanding that Biden open his private records, or drop out, or "be more respectful", or any other number of stupid criticisms.  How is any of this her being gagged?

Yup. We've heard more about Tara Reade than about all of Trump's accusers put together.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

If Reade is so confident in her story she needs to go to CRT, and she didnt bother to talk about it during 2008-12, which is suspect. Just like most female stories

[Koharu]

And y'all missed the point.

The reason I didn't interact in this thread earlier is because of these reactions.

I believe Trump is a rapist and I think the media has failed in reporting on him and giving time and support to his victims. I am not condoning what has been done to bury Trump's crimes.

But most allegations, especially against people in powerful positions, come down to he-said she-said.

Also, this is a forum and my understanding is that I'm allowed to comment as long as I'm not breaking the TOS.

Again, I don't know how I feel about the allegations against Biden. They're pretty tenuous. But the responses here perfectly indicate the mysogy and victim-blaming as well as willing obtuseness that has allowed rape culture to survive, and that's why I finally had to comment. I've seen it in other threads around this issue, and that kind of behavior by supposedly compassionate allies is just disgusting. It takes some gall to tell a woman to shut up when she is pointing out your excuses are what have been used to force women into silence since the beginning of time.

[Devils30]

No, taking accusations with the gravity they deserve does not mean believing women who 1) change their story just as the candidate begins winning the primary AND 2) has a history of trying to cash phony checks, wild accusations such as calling her ex-husband a serial killer. If there were 6 others I get it but a lot of this garbage is from people who never wanted Biden to begin with.

[pppolitics]

And y'all missed the point.

The reason I didn't interact in this thread earlier is because of these reactions.

I believe Trump is a rapist and I think the media has failed in reporting on him and giving time and support to his victims. I am not condoning what has been done to bury Trump's crimes.

But most allegations, especially against people in powerful positions, come down to he-said she-said.

Also, this is a forum and my understanding is that I'm allowed to comment as long as I'm not breaking the TOS.

Again, I don't know how I feel about the allegations against Biden. They're pretty tenuous. But the responses here perfectly indicate the mysogy and victim-blaming as well as willing obtuseness that has allowed rape culture to survive, and that's why I finally had to comment. I've seen it in other threads around this issue, and that kind of behavior by supposedly compassionate allies is just disgusting. It takes some gall to tell a woman to shut up when she is pointing out your excuses are what have been used to force women into silence since the beginning of time.

Questioning Tara Reade’s story doesn’t make one a rape apologist: On Joe Biden and #MeToo

https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-20200508-gbf3lyw6n5hhjhad36fm25p3oq-story.html

[wbrocks67]

https://twitter.com/guypbenson/status/1259191782744694786?s=21

honestly shook that this came from GOP leaning Town Hall

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I dont understand General MacArthur, he called Bernie a socialist and cant win and now he is writing these Reade allegations.  Carville and Podesta knew about these allegations but the are so bent on Establishment support, that Hilarys prez was stolen by Gary Johnson, they support Biden and wont do the right thing and ask Bernie to take his place


If the polls tighten, Carville has said that Trump will lose in a landslide no matter what, we only have Carville to thank.

Alot of the $$$ that they are using from online donations were made before the Pandemic.  Online donations have stopped and no stimulus $$$ is going for campaigns

[GeneralMacArthur]

honestly shook that this came from GOP leaning Town Hall

It didn't.  Biden Twitter found it like a week ago.

[GeneralMacArthur]

And y'all missed the point.

The reason I didn't interact in this thread earlier is because of these reactions.

I believe Trump is a rapist and I think the media has failed in reporting on him and giving time and support to his victims. I am not condoning what has been done to bury Trump's crimes.

But most allegations, especially against people in powerful positions, come down to he-said she-said.

Also, this is a forum and my understanding is that I'm allowed to comment as long as I'm not breaking the TOS.

Again, I don't know how I feel about the allegations against Biden. They're pretty tenuous. But the responses here perfectly indicate the mysogy and victim-blaming as well as willing obtuseness that has allowed rape culture to survive, and that's why I finally had to comment. I've seen it in other threads around this issue, and that kind of behavior by supposedly compassionate allies is just disgusting. It takes some gall to tell a woman to shut up when she is pointing out your excuses are what have been used to force women into silence since the beginning of time.

This isn't he-said she-said.  He-said-she-said is when Biden says A, Tara says B, and we have no evidence one way or another.

But in this case, it's Biden saying A, and Tara saying B, then C, then D, then E, then F, then G, then H.... and we have TONS of evidence that Tara is lying.  The most obvious evidence is that both she and her associates have stated repeatedly in the past that her experience in Biden's office was limited to harassment that did not come from Biden.  We also have lots of evidence indicating that she was fired because of some sort of conflict with Biden's staff, not (as she claims) as retaliation.  Either of those facts, if true, would completely disprove her allegation, and we have tons of evidence for both facts.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Stop feeding the troll you idiots

I’m not a troll. Stop calling me one. What would I gain from trolling you people?

Depends.  What are the Russians paying these days?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Biden did assault Reade, lawyers look at past behavior as a guide to present conduct. Just like OJ was guilty of murder due to beating of Nichole Brown Simpson.

Anita Hill was passed over by Biden and Dem lead committee could have voted Thomas down or filibustered the nomination. If Biden was set against Thomas, as he used his no vote as a copy out, the Dems should have filibustered the nomination,  they had 41 votes.

As for other females, he touched them inappropriately. Even if Biden is elected, the conservative Judicial watch have conservative Crts to bring Biden before the Crts on Ukraine and Reade, even without a Special counsel

[pppolitics]

Biden did assault Reade, lawyers look at past behavior as a guide to present conduct. Just like OJ was guilty of murder due to beating of Nichole Brown Simpson.

Anita Hill was passed over by Biden and Dem lead committee could have voted Thomas down or filibustered the nomination. If Biden was set against Thomas, as he used his no vote as a copy out, the Dems should have filibustered the nomination,  they had 41 votes.

As for other females, he touched them inappropriately. Even if Biden is elected, the conservative Judicial watch have conservative Crts to bring Biden before the Crts on Ukraine and Reade, even without a Special counsel

Biden did "assault" Reade, if by "assault", you mean that he had her serve drinks at an event.

[roxas11]

Biden did assault Reade, lawyers look at past behavior as a guide to present conduct. Just like OJ was guilty of murder due to beating of Nichole Brown Simpson.

Anita Hill was passed over by Biden and Dem lead committee could have voted Thomas down or filibustered the nomination. If Biden was set against Thomas, as he used his no vote as a copy out, the Dems should have filibustered the nomination,  they had 41 votes.

As for other females, he touched them inappropriately. Even if Biden is elected, the conservative Judicial watch have conservative Crts to bring Biden before the Crts on Ukraine and Reade, even without a Special counsel

and this is where I stopped reading lol

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

This case will obviously have to be taken to Crt, Ron Johnson still has the Ukraine story in Aug.

All I have to say, is that since the House isnt using its leverage and spent the entire recess on UBI benefits instead of vote by mail, Biden isn't assured election, with Reade and Ukraine. The results could be a nail biter and the Rs have the Crts if the results are Similar to 2000 or 2016

[Koharu]

And y'all missed the point.

The reason I didn't interact in this thread earlier is because of these reactions.

I believe Trump is a rapist and I think the media has failed in reporting on him and giving time and support to his victims. I am not condoning what has been done to bury Trump's crimes.

But most allegations, especially against people in powerful positions, come down to he-said she-said.

Also, this is a forum and my understanding is that I'm allowed to comment as long as I'm not breaking the TOS.

Again, I don't know how I feel about the allegations against Biden. They're pretty tenuous. But the responses here perfectly indicate the mysogy and victim-blaming as well as willing obtuseness that has allowed rape culture to survive, and that's why I finally had to comment. I've seen it in other threads around this issue, and that kind of behavior by supposedly compassionate allies is just disgusting. It takes some gall to tell a woman to shut up when she is pointing out your excuses are what have been used to force women into silence since the beginning of time.

Questioning Tara Reade’s story doesn’t make one a rape apologist: On Joe Biden and #MeToo

https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-20200508-gbf3lyw6n5hhjhad36fm25p3oq-story.html

I'm not saying that it does.

I'm just saying I saw gross comments that are the type that perpetuate rape culture. Talking about her changing story is appropriate. Talking about witnesses that counter her story is appropriate. Investigating is good.

Claiming because she was fired or had money docked that she must be guilty is disgusting and part of what makes it difficult for women to come forward. What was said was not the same as examining her character in relation to whether she's usually truthful. It was a blanket statement that ignored how women are often preemptively punished to prevent their speaking out. I don't know if that was the case here, but applying that type of thinking to this case shows one is oblivious to the true nature of rape culture.

There are nuances here and as that essay says, you can disbelieve stories while not being a rape apologist. You can also support rape culture and mysogony without being a rape apologist.

[pppolitics]

This case will obviously have to be taken to Crt, Ron Johnson still has the Ukraine story in Aug.

All I have to say, is that since the House isnt using its leverage and spent the entire recess on UBI benefits instead of vote by mail, Biden isn't assured election, with Reade and Ukraine. The results could be a nail biter and the Rs have the Crts if the results are Similar to 2000 or 2016

You are grasping at straws.

1. The statute of limitations already expired.

2. Even of statute of limitations hasn't expired, the "case" would be immediately dismissed for lack of evidence. The grand jury wouldn't even take it up.

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Also, I am not sure what Ukraine or vote by mail has anything to do with the allegation.