Tara Reade Biden allegation megathread

[Progressive Pessimist]

These people at rose twitter really scare me. Their hate and religious-like fanaticism can only be rivaled by the most extreme elements of Trump's base.

Also even if things got so bad that Biden had to drop out, do we really think that Biden's delegates would pick Sanders for the nomination? Of course not.

Exactly. Biden's delegates plus those of Buttigieg, Klobuchar and Bloomberg would not go for Sanders and at best Warren's would split 50-50.

They should if they want the Democratic Party to have any chance in November under this circumstance. If it comes down to this Biden ought to instruct his released delegates to vote for Sanders, the runner-up, and compromise with him being paired with Biden's already vetted running mate pick. It's becoming clear that we have to give the left what they want, and if they fail us in November it's on them at that point.

I'm starting to think that this is what needs to happen. I'm going to give Biden one more month. If his favorability and polling starts declining because of the media now giving the accusations more attention or because they are developing and snowballing more as COVID news gets stale-including the reporting of potential new accusations-then he has to go! It isn't worth the risk at that point to me.

I'm giving him a month because he probably won't clinch the nomination, if things continue as they are, until June and the convention thankfully isn't until August. If the situation starts looking dire enough then there is enough time for public pressure to mount for him to drop out. Perhaps a convention where Sanders becomes the inevitable inheritor of the nomination can salvage our party and our chances in November after what will have been some wasted time. That time is spent better wasted with no nominee than with Biden's entire candidacy being dogged by the allegations as they reinforce negative perceptions of him, making the Democratic Party look like hypocritical opportunists, and overshadowing what is otherwise his very winnable message. Let's face it, the zeitgeist just isn't on his side here; and he will not be able to get away with even the least of what Trump has. Republicans and the right are immune to self-awareness and an understanding of their hypocrisy. Any anti-Trump voter, Democrat, red avatar, etc. who is doing mental gymnastics to put themselves in a state of denial over how much Reade has flipped this election on its head are doing a disservice to themselves and the country by clearly not learning from 2016. 

I hate this f***ing timeline. It really does feel like we're in an apocalyptic dystopia at this point.

Why should the second place finisher just be handed the nomination? Without rehashing the primary there are plenty of liabilities that Sanders has that would make him a guaranteed loser. And in the grand scheme of things Sanders has limited appeal as the primary showed and his strategy of turning out 18-25 year old voters did not materialize.

With that said, you reading far too much into this. Even Reade has flipped and denies that she reported a sexual assault after Biden called for the release of the record. I really don't think she was counting on that.

Well, I've been wondering lately what would have happened if this allegation came out during the primary when it was more competitive. Perhaps Sanders could have had the winning coalition he wanted at that point as voters may have soured on Biden. The same may be true now, there might be buyer's remorse among some who voted for Biden and would consider, or at least tolerate Sanders now. I kind of wish it did then the Democratic voters could have had their say about what they think of it, and maybe it would have been over and done with earlier. And I'm surprised it didn't, especially with Reade being a Sanders supporter. One way or the other, none of this is on my hands as New Jersey's primary hasn't happened yet.

And I do tend to over-analyze things. It's one of my many, many faults. I am trying to be as reasonable as possible though. Like I said, I'm going to see how this story develops over the next month before I am actually convinced of the doomsday scenario I envisioned.

[lfromnj]

These people at rose twitter really scare me. Their hate and religious-like fanaticism can only be rivaled by the most extreme elements of Trump's base.

Also even if things got so bad that Biden had to drop out, do we really think that Biden's delegates would pick Sanders for the nomination? Of course not.

Exactly. Biden's delegates plus those of Buttigieg, Klobuchar and Bloomberg would not go for Sanders and at best Warren's would split 50-50.

They should if they want the Democratic Party to have any chance in November under this circumstance. If it comes down to this Biden ought to instruct his released delegates to vote for Sanders, the runner-up, and compromise with him being paired with Biden's already vetted running mate pick. It's becoming clear that we have to give the left what they want, and if they fail us in November it's on them at that point.

I'm starting to think that this is what needs to happen. I'm going to give Biden one more month. If his favorability and polling starts declining because of the media now giving the accusations more attention or because they are developing and snowballing more as COVID news gets stale-including the reporting of potential new accusations-then he has to go! It isn't worth the risk at that point to me.

I'm giving him a month because he probably won't clinch the nomination, if things continue as they are, until June and the convention thankfully isn't until August. If the situation starts looking dire enough then there is enough time for public pressure to mount for him to drop out. Perhaps a convention where Sanders becomes the inevitable inheritor of the nomination can salvage our party and our chances in November after what will have been some wasted time. That time is spent better wasted with no nominee than with Biden's entire candidacy being dogged by the allegations as they reinforce negative perceptions of him, making the Democratic Party look like hypocritical opportunists, and overshadowing what is otherwise his very winnable message. Let's face it, the zeitgeist just isn't on his side here; and he will not be able to get away with even the least of what Trump has. Republicans and the right are immune to self-awareness and an understanding of their hypocrisy. Any anti-Trump voter, Democrat, red avatar, etc. who is doing mental gymnastics to put themselves in a state of denial over how much Reade has flipped this election on its head are doing a disservice to themselves and the country by clearly not learning from 2016. 

I hate this f***ing timeline. It really does feel like we're in an apocalyptic dystopia at this point.

Why should the second place finisher just be handed the nomination? Without rehashing the primary there are plenty of liabilities that Sanders has that would make him a guaranteed loser. And in the grand scheme of things Sanders has limited appeal as the primary showed and his strategy of turning out 18-25 year old voters did not materialize.

With that said, you reading far too much into this. Even Reade has flipped and denies that she reported a sexual assault after Biden called for the release of the record. I really don't think she was counting on that.

Every other candidate has the liability of not being Sanders and not being the leading delegate candidate, You might see as much as like 25-30% of Sanders supporters just not show up.

[Ronnie]

I think the only way this story will severely damage Biden in the long term is if Tara Reade can manage to manufacture a drip drip drip.  The way it would happen is if she has a reserve of corroborators she'd ask to interview the press whenever the story falls out of the headlines.  That frankly seems like a pretty plausible scenario to me.

[pppolitics]

These people at rose twitter really scare me. Their hate and religious-like fanaticism can only be rivaled by the most extreme elements of Trump's base.

Also even if things got so bad that Biden had to drop out, do we really think that Biden's delegates would pick Sanders for the nomination? Of course not.

Exactly. Biden's delegates plus those of Buttigieg, Klobuchar and Bloomberg would not go for Sanders and at best Warren's would split 50-50.

They should if they want the Democratic Party to have any chance in November under this circumstance. If it comes down to this Biden ought to instruct his released delegates to vote for Sanders, the runner-up, and compromise with him being paired with Biden's already vetted running mate pick. It's becoming clear that we have to give the left what they want, and if they fail us in November it's on them at that point.

I'm starting to think that this is what needs to happen. I'm going to give Biden one more month. If his favorability and polling starts declining because of the media now giving the accusations more attention or because they are developing and snowballing more as COVID news gets stale-including the reporting of potential new accusations-then he has to go! It isn't worth the risk at that point to me.

I'm giving him a month because he probably won't clinch the nomination, if things continue as they are, until June and the convention thankfully isn't until August. If the situation starts looking dire enough then there is enough time for public pressure to mount for him to drop out. Perhaps a convention where Sanders becomes the inevitable inheritor of the nomination can salvage our party and our chances in November after what will have been some wasted time. That time is spent better wasted with no nominee than with Biden's entire candidacy being dogged by the allegations as they reinforce negative perceptions of him, making the Democratic Party look like hypocritical opportunists, and overshadowing what is otherwise his very winnable message. Let's face it, the zeitgeist just isn't on his side here; and he will not be able to get away with even the least of what Trump has. Republicans and the right are immune to self-awareness and an understanding of their hypocrisy. Any anti-Trump voter, Democrat, red avatar, etc. who is doing mental gymnastics to put themselves in a state of denial over how much Reade has flipped this election on its head are doing a disservice to themselves and the country by clearly not learning from 2016. 

I hate this f***ing timeline. It really does feel like we're in an apocalyptic dystopia at this point.

Any what makes you think, even in the extremely unlikely case that Biden can no longer be nominee, the DNC would hand the nomination to Sanders?

More likely, the DNC would hand the nomination to someone like Buttigieg or Klobuchar

[It’s so Joever]

This is about as impactful as p***ygate was back in 2016.

[pppolitics]

These people at rose twitter really scare me. Their hate and religious-like fanaticism can only be rivaled by the most extreme elements of Trump's base.

Also even if things got so bad that Biden had to drop out, do we really think that Biden's delegates would pick Sanders for the nomination? Of course not.

Exactly. Biden's delegates plus those of Buttigieg, Klobuchar and Bloomberg would not go for Sanders and at best Warren's would split 50-50.

They should if they want the Democratic Party to have any chance in November under this circumstance. If it comes down to this Biden ought to instruct his released delegates to vote for Sanders, the runner-up, and compromise with him being paired with Biden's already vetted running mate pick. It's becoming clear that we have to give the left what they want, and if they fail us in November it's on them at that point.

I'm starting to think that this is what needs to happen. I'm going to give Biden one more month. If his favorability and polling starts declining because of the media now giving the accusations more attention or because they are developing and snowballing more as COVID news gets stale-including the reporting of potential new accusations-then he has to go! It isn't worth the risk at that point to me.

I'm giving him a month because he probably won't clinch the nomination, if things continue as they are, until June and the convention thankfully isn't until August. If the situation starts looking dire enough then there is enough time for public pressure to mount for him to drop out. Perhaps a convention where Sanders becomes the inevitable inheritor of the nomination can salvage our party and our chances in November after what will have been some wasted time. That time is spent better wasted with no nominee than with Biden's entire candidacy being dogged by the allegations as they reinforce negative perceptions of him, making the Democratic Party look like hypocritical opportunists, and overshadowing what is otherwise his very winnable message. Let's face it, the zeitgeist just isn't on his side here; and he will not be able to get away with even the least of what Trump has. Republicans and the right are immune to self-awareness and an understanding of their hypocrisy. Any anti-Trump voter, Democrat, red avatar, etc. who is doing mental gymnastics to put themselves in a state of denial over how much Reade has flipped this election on its head are doing a disservice to themselves and the country by clearly not learning from 2016.  

I hate this f***ing timeline. It really does feel like we're in an apocalyptic dystopia at this point.

Why should the second place finisher just be handed the nomination? Without rehashing the primary there are plenty of liabilities that Sanders has that would make him a guaranteed loser. And in the grand scheme of things Sanders has limited appeal as the primary showed and his strategy of turning out 18-25 year old voters did not materialize.

With that said, you reading far too much into this. Even Reade has flipped and denies that she reported a sexual assault after Biden called for the release of the record. I really don't think she was counting on that.

Well, I've been wondering lately what would have happened if this allegation came out during the primary when it was more competitive. Perhaps Sanders could have had the winning coalition he wanted at that point as voters may have soured on Biden. The same may be true now, there might be buyer's remorse among some who voted for Biden and would consider, or at least tolerate Sanders now. I kind of wish it did then the Democratic voters could have had their say about what they think of it, and maybe it would have been over and done with earlier. And I'm surprised it didn't, especially with Reade being a Sanders supporter. One way or the other, none of this is on my hands as New Jersey's primary hasn't happened yet.

And I do tend to over-analyze things. It's one of my many, many faults. I am trying to be as reasonable as possible though. Like I said, I'm going to see how this story develops over the next month before I am actually convinced of the doomsday scenario I envisioned.

Sanders only has support of ~30% of the party.

Even if Biden didn't run at all, someone else would have consolidated the vote for 70% of the party.

Fact of the matter is that Sanders doesn't have broad support of the party.

[CookieDamage]

This is about as impactful as p***ygate was back in 2016.

P****gate might have been very impactful. Without p***ygate but with comey's last minute email investigation Hillary might have lost MN and NH

[Progressive Pessimist]

These people at rose twitter really scare me. Their hate and religious-like fanaticism can only be rivaled by the most extreme elements of Trump's base.

Also even if things got so bad that Biden had to drop out, do we really think that Biden's delegates would pick Sanders for the nomination? Of course not.

Exactly. Biden's delegates plus those of Buttigieg, Klobuchar and Bloomberg would not go for Sanders and at best Warren's would split 50-50.

They should if they want the Democratic Party to have any chance in November under this circumstance. If it comes down to this Biden ought to instruct his released delegates to vote for Sanders, the runner-up, and compromise with him being paired with Biden's already vetted running mate pick. It's becoming clear that we have to give the left what they want, and if they fail us in November it's on them at that point.

I'm starting to think that this is what needs to happen. I'm going to give Biden one more month. If his favorability and polling starts declining because of the media now giving the accusations more attention or because they are developing and snowballing more as COVID news gets stale-including the reporting of potential new accusations-then he has to go! It isn't worth the risk at that point to me.

I'm giving him a month because he probably won't clinch the nomination, if things continue as they are, until June and the convention thankfully isn't until August. If the situation starts looking dire enough then there is enough time for public pressure to mount for him to drop out. Perhaps a convention where Sanders becomes the inevitable inheritor of the nomination can salvage our party and our chances in November after what will have been some wasted time. That time is spent better wasted with no nominee than with Biden's entire candidacy being dogged by the allegations as they reinforce negative perceptions of him, making the Democratic Party look like hypocritical opportunists, and overshadowing what is otherwise his very winnable message. Let's face it, the zeitgeist just isn't on his side here; and he will not be able to get away with even the least of what Trump has. Republicans and the right are immune to self-awareness and an understanding of their hypocrisy. Any anti-Trump voter, Democrat, red avatar, etc. who is doing mental gymnastics to put themselves in a state of denial over how much Reade has flipped this election on its head are doing a disservice to themselves and the country by clearly not learning from 2016.  

I hate this f***ing timeline. It really does feel like we're in an apocalyptic dystopia at this point.

Why should the second place finisher just be handed the nomination? Without rehashing the primary there are plenty of liabilities that Sanders has that would make him a guaranteed loser. And in the grand scheme of things Sanders has limited appeal as the primary showed and his strategy of turning out 18-25 year old voters did not materialize.

With that said, you reading far too much into this. Even Reade has flipped and denies that she reported a sexual assault after Biden called for the release of the record. I really don't think she was counting on that.

Well, I've been wondering lately what would have happened if this allegation came out during the primary when it was more competitive. Perhaps Sanders could have had the winning coalition he wanted at that point as voters may have soured on Biden. The same may be true now, there might be buyer's remorse among some who voted for Biden and would consider, or at least tolerate Sanders now. I kind of wish it did then the Democratic voters could have had their say about what they think of it, and maybe it would have been over and done with earlier. And I'm surprised it didn't, especially with Reade being a Sanders supporter. One way or the other, none of this is on my hands as New Jersey's primary hasn't happened yet.

And I do tend to over-analyze things. It's one of my many, many faults. I am trying to be as reasonable as possible though. Like I said, I'm going to see how this story develops over the next month before I am actually convinced of the doomsday scenario I envisioned.

Sanders only has support of ~30% of the party.

Even if Biden didn't run at all, someone else would have consolidated the vote for 70% of the party.

Fact of the matter is that Sanders doesn't have broad support of the party.

That's true, but as I said before, this allegation occurring earlier could have changed that. But at the point we're at now, Sanders has the second most delegates and votes by far, it would be terrible optics for him to be deprived of the nomination in the aforementioned hypothetical and just cause further negative consequences in the long-term.

[Bidenworth2020]

Jesus, can you guys chill out? This story looks bad now, but Biden is getting ahead of it now and being transparent. It isn't true, and it could very well be out of headlines next month.

[wbrocks67]

The one positive about this is that I'd rather get this out of the way right now then deal with it in October.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Jesus, can you guys chill out? This story looks bad now, but Biden is getting ahead of it now and being transparent. It isn't true, and it could very well be out of headlines next month.

Well, we'll see. I truly hope so. I haven't commented yet on Biden's interview from today-I do think he did had the best response possible under the circumstances.

The one positive about this is that I'd rather get this out of the way right now then deal with it in October.

I've pointed this out several times, and I could not agree more. It's maybe the one thing that's even close to a silver lining of this story. The timing really was odd. Why make an accusation during a pandemic that is sucking up most of the attention in the country if you want it to be heard?

[pppolitics]

These people at rose twitter really scare me. Their hate and religious-like fanaticism can only be rivaled by the most extreme elements of Trump's base.

Also even if things got so bad that Biden had to drop out, do we really think that Biden's delegates would pick Sanders for the nomination? Of course not.

Exactly. Biden's delegates plus those of Buttigieg, Klobuchar and Bloomberg would not go for Sanders and at best Warren's would split 50-50.

They should if they want the Democratic Party to have any chance in November under this circumstance. If it comes down to this Biden ought to instruct his released delegates to vote for Sanders, the runner-up, and compromise with him being paired with Biden's already vetted running mate pick. It's becoming clear that we have to give the left what they want, and if they fail us in November it's on them at that point.

I'm starting to think that this is what needs to happen. I'm going to give Biden one more month. If his favorability and polling starts declining because of the media now giving the accusations more attention or because they are developing and snowballing more as COVID news gets stale-including the reporting of potential new accusations-then he has to go! It isn't worth the risk at that point to me.

I'm giving him a month because he probably won't clinch the nomination, if things continue as they are, until June and the convention thankfully isn't until August. If the situation starts looking dire enough then there is enough time for public pressure to mount for him to drop out. Perhaps a convention where Sanders becomes the inevitable inheritor of the nomination can salvage our party and our chances in November after what will have been some wasted time. That time is spent better wasted with no nominee than with Biden's entire candidacy being dogged by the allegations as they reinforce negative perceptions of him, making the Democratic Party look like hypocritical opportunists, and overshadowing what is otherwise his very winnable message. Let's face it, the zeitgeist just isn't on his side here; and he will not be able to get away with even the least of what Trump has. Republicans and the right are immune to self-awareness and an understanding of their hypocrisy. Any anti-Trump voter, Democrat, red avatar, etc. who is doing mental gymnastics to put themselves in a state of denial over how much Reade has flipped this election on its head are doing a disservice to themselves and the country by clearly not learning from 2016.  

I hate this f***ing timeline. It really does feel like we're in an apocalyptic dystopia at this point.

Why should the second place finisher just be handed the nomination? Without rehashing the primary there are plenty of liabilities that Sanders has that would make him a guaranteed loser. And in the grand scheme of things Sanders has limited appeal as the primary showed and his strategy of turning out 18-25 year old voters did not materialize.

With that said, you reading far too much into this. Even Reade has flipped and denies that she reported a sexual assault after Biden called for the release of the record. I really don't think she was counting on that.

Well, I've been wondering lately what would have happened if this allegation came out during the primary when it was more competitive. Perhaps Sanders could have had the winning coalition he wanted at that point as voters may have soured on Biden. The same may be true now, there might be buyer's remorse among some who voted for Biden and would consider, or at least tolerate Sanders now. I kind of wish it did then the Democratic voters could have had their say about what they think of it, and maybe it would have been over and done with earlier. And I'm surprised it didn't, especially with Reade being a Sanders supporter. One way or the other, none of this is on my hands as New Jersey's primary hasn't happened yet.

And I do tend to over-analyze things. It's one of my many, many faults. I am trying to be as reasonable as possible though. Like I said, I'm going to see how this story develops over the next month before I am actually convinced of the doomsday scenario I envisioned.

Sanders only has support of ~30% of the party.

Even if Biden didn't run at all, someone else would have consolidated the vote for 70% of the party.

Fact of the matter is that Sanders doesn't have broad support of the party.

That's true, but as I said before, this allegation occurring earlier could have changed that. But at the point we're at now, Sanders has the second most delegates and votes by far, it would be terrible optics for him to be deprived of the nomination in the aforementioned hypothetical and just cause further negative consequences in the long-term.

Stop trying refight a lost battle.

Facts is, a majority of Democrats just don't want Bernie to be the nominee.

...and even if Bernie had somehow won the primary, a woman could have shown up and accuses Bernie of raping her X years ago

[pppolitics]

Bernie supporters are obsessed with this story because they think that if Biden was forced to step aside, somehow Bernie would be the nominee.

Well, I hate to tell them, but Bernie is not going to be the nominee and it’s time to stop being sore losers.

[Progressive Pessimist]

These people at rose twitter really scare me. Their hate and religious-like fanaticism can only be rivaled by the most extreme elements of Trump's base.

Also even if things got so bad that Biden had to drop out, do we really think that Biden's delegates would pick Sanders for the nomination? Of course not.

Exactly. Biden's delegates plus those of Buttigieg, Klobuchar and Bloomberg would not go for Sanders and at best Warren's would split 50-50.

They should if they want the Democratic Party to have any chance in November under this circumstance. If it comes down to this Biden ought to instruct his released delegates to vote for Sanders, the runner-up, and compromise with him being paired with Biden's already vetted running mate pick. It's becoming clear that we have to give the left what they want, and if they fail us in November it's on them at that point.

I'm starting to think that this is what needs to happen. I'm going to give Biden one more month. If his favorability and polling starts declining because of the media now giving the accusations more attention or because they are developing and snowballing more as COVID news gets stale-including the reporting of potential new accusations-then he has to go! It isn't worth the risk at that point to me.

I'm giving him a month because he probably won't clinch the nomination, if things continue as they are, until June and the convention thankfully isn't until August. If the situation starts looking dire enough then there is enough time for public pressure to mount for him to drop out. Perhaps a convention where Sanders becomes the inevitable inheritor of the nomination can salvage our party and our chances in November after what will have been some wasted time. That time is spent better wasted with no nominee than with Biden's entire candidacy being dogged by the allegations as they reinforce negative perceptions of him, making the Democratic Party look like hypocritical opportunists, and overshadowing what is otherwise his very winnable message. Let's face it, the zeitgeist just isn't on his side here; and he will not be able to get away with even the least of what Trump has. Republicans and the right are immune to self-awareness and an understanding of their hypocrisy. Any anti-Trump voter, Democrat, red avatar, etc. who is doing mental gymnastics to put themselves in a state of denial over how much Reade has flipped this election on its head are doing a disservice to themselves and the country by clearly not learning from 2016.  

I hate this f***ing timeline. It really does feel like we're in an apocalyptic dystopia at this point.

Why should the second place finisher just be handed the nomination? Without rehashing the primary there are plenty of liabilities that Sanders has that would make him a guaranteed loser. And in the grand scheme of things Sanders has limited appeal as the primary showed and his strategy of turning out 18-25 year old voters did not materialize.

With that said, you reading far too much into this. Even Reade has flipped and denies that she reported a sexual assault after Biden called for the release of the record. I really don't think she was counting on that.

Well, I've been wondering lately what would have happened if this allegation came out during the primary when it was more competitive. Perhaps Sanders could have had the winning coalition he wanted at that point as voters may have soured on Biden. The same may be true now, there might be buyer's remorse among some who voted for Biden and would consider, or at least tolerate Sanders now. I kind of wish it did then the Democratic voters could have had their say about what they think of it, and maybe it would have been over and done with earlier. And I'm surprised it didn't, especially with Reade being a Sanders supporter. One way or the other, none of this is on my hands as New Jersey's primary hasn't happened yet.

And I do tend to over-analyze things. It's one of my many, many faults. I am trying to be as reasonable as possible though. Like I said, I'm going to see how this story develops over the next month before I am actually convinced of the doomsday scenario I envisioned.

Sanders only has support of ~30% of the party.

Even if Biden didn't run at all, someone else would have consolidated the vote for 70% of the party.

Fact of the matter is that Sanders doesn't have broad support of the party.

That's true, but as I said before, this allegation occurring earlier could have changed that. But at the point we're at now, Sanders has the second most delegates and votes by far, it would be terrible optics for him to be deprived of the nomination in the aforementioned hypothetical and just cause further negative consequences in the long-term.

Stop trying refight a lost battle.

Facts is, a majority of Democrats just don't want Bernie to be the nominee.

...and even if Bernie had somehow won the primary, a woman could have shown up and accuses Bernie of raping her X years ago

I was actually never a big Sanders supporter. I immediately threw my support to Biden on Super Tuesday. I'm not trying to re-fight the primary, all I care about is that Democrats have the best chance possible in the general election and I can envision a scenario in which Biden becomes too risky to keep as the nominee because of this. I'd rather that be rectified before it's too late, if it happens at all.

And I don't think an allegation against Sanders would have the weight that it does for Biden, given his reputation as being handsy. It's one of the first things people think about when it comes to him. Also considering how loud Sanders' base is, he probably would be able to brave it better. Whenever I hear that sort of claim about any potential nominee getting "Me too'd" I can't help but feel as if it's hand-waving a very real problem for Biden. I was one of those back in 2016 who didn't think that Clinton's emails would matter much after she was exonerated, and yet here we are. I'm getting similar vibes from the reactions to this controversy.

[CookieDamage]

Tara Reade is coming on CNN this weekend!

Source?

[pppolitics]

These people at rose twitter really scare me. Their hate and religious-like fanaticism can only be rivaled by the most extreme elements of Trump's base.

Also even if things got so bad that Biden had to drop out, do we really think that Biden's delegates would pick Sanders for the nomination? Of course not.

Exactly. Biden's delegates plus those of Buttigieg, Klobuchar and Bloomberg would not go for Sanders and at best Warren's would split 50-50.

They should if they want the Democratic Party to have any chance in November under this circumstance. If it comes down to this Biden ought to instruct his released delegates to vote for Sanders, the runner-up, and compromise with him being paired with Biden's already vetted running mate pick. It's becoming clear that we have to give the left what they want, and if they fail us in November it's on them at that point.

I'm starting to think that this is what needs to happen. I'm going to give Biden one more month. If his favorability and polling starts declining because of the media now giving the accusations more attention or because they are developing and snowballing more as COVID news gets stale-including the reporting of potential new accusations-then he has to go! It isn't worth the risk at that point to me.

I'm giving him a month because he probably won't clinch the nomination, if things continue as they are, until June and the convention thankfully isn't until August. If the situation starts looking dire enough then there is enough time for public pressure to mount for him to drop out. Perhaps a convention where Sanders becomes the inevitable inheritor of the nomination can salvage our party and our chances in November after what will have been some wasted time. That time is spent better wasted with no nominee than with Biden's entire candidacy being dogged by the allegations as they reinforce negative perceptions of him, making the Democratic Party look like hypocritical opportunists, and overshadowing what is otherwise his very winnable message. Let's face it, the zeitgeist just isn't on his side here; and he will not be able to get away with even the least of what Trump has. Republicans and the right are immune to self-awareness and an understanding of their hypocrisy. Any anti-Trump voter, Democrat, red avatar, etc. who is doing mental gymnastics to put themselves in a state of denial over how much Reade has flipped this election on its head are doing a disservice to themselves and the country by clearly not learning from 2016.  

I hate this f***ing timeline. It really does feel like we're in an apocalyptic dystopia at this point.

Why should the second place finisher just be handed the nomination? Without rehashing the primary there are plenty of liabilities that Sanders has that would make him a guaranteed loser. And in the grand scheme of things Sanders has limited appeal as the primary showed and his strategy of turning out 18-25 year old voters did not materialize.

With that said, you reading far too much into this. Even Reade has flipped and denies that she reported a sexual assault after Biden called for the release of the record. I really don't think she was counting on that.

Well, I've been wondering lately what would have happened if this allegation came out during the primary when it was more competitive. Perhaps Sanders could have had the winning coalition he wanted at that point as voters may have soured on Biden. The same may be true now, there might be buyer's remorse among some who voted for Biden and would consider, or at least tolerate Sanders now. I kind of wish it did then the Democratic voters could have had their say about what they think of it, and maybe it would have been over and done with earlier. And I'm surprised it didn't, especially with Reade being a Sanders supporter. One way or the other, none of this is on my hands as New Jersey's primary hasn't happened yet.

And I do tend to over-analyze things. It's one of my many, many faults. I am trying to be as reasonable as possible though. Like I said, I'm going to see how this story develops over the next month before I am actually convinced of the doomsday scenario I envisioned.

Sanders only has support of ~30% of the party.

Even if Biden didn't run at all, someone else would have consolidated the vote for 70% of the party.

Fact of the matter is that Sanders doesn't have broad support of the party.

That's true, but as I said before, this allegation occurring earlier could have changed that. But at the point we're at now, Sanders has the second most delegates and votes by far, it would be terrible optics for him to be deprived of the nomination in the aforementioned hypothetical and just cause further negative consequences in the long-term.

Stop trying refight a lost battle.

Facts is, a majority of Democrats just don't want Bernie to be the nominee.

...and even if Bernie had somehow won the primary, a woman could have shown up and accuses Bernie of raping her X years ago

I was actually never a big Sanders supporter. I immediately threw my support to Biden on Super Tuesday. I'm not trying to re-fight the primary, all I care about is that Democrats have the best chance possible in the general election and I can envision a scenario in which Biden becomes too risky to keep as the nominee because of this. I'd rather that be rectified before it's too late, if it happens at all.

And I don't think an allegation against Sanders would have the weight that it does for Biden, given his reputation as being handsy. It's one of the first things people think about when it comes to him. Also considering how loud Sanders' base is, he probably would be able to brave it better. Whenever I hear that sort of claim about any potential nominee getting "Me too'd" I can't help but feel as if it's hand-waving a very real problem for Biden. I was one of those back in 2016 who didn't think that Clinton's emails would matter much after she was exonerated, and yet here we are. I'm getting similar vibes from the reactions to this controversy.

It would probably be on the news right now that Bernie Bros are show up to the woman’s house to harass her and surveillant her 24/7.

The grass is not greener on the other side.

[Bidenworth2020]

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1256378636095160321

[Bidenworth2020]

https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1256383907114729472

Sounds like someone who is extremely confident in their corroboration, no?

[Lief 🗽]

https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1256383907114729472

Sounds like someone who is extremely confident in their corroboration, no?

Poor woman. Ryan Grim, Nathan J. Robinson, and the rest of them are going to be furiously calling her up tonight to set her story straight.

[DrScholl]

https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1256383907114729472

Sounds like someone who is extremely confident in their corroboration, no?

The DNC got to her. Sources say that Hillary came to her house with a big butcher knife and threatened her.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Nathan J Robinson is beside himself.  Driving around downtown Santa Cruz begging (thru texts) for the address to LaCasse's home.

[wbrocks67]

Both those tweets in the last few replies are just... wow. This whole thing is a mess and so many things do not add up. If Biden acted this way, there would've been SOMETHING in the vetting. SOMETHING.

Meanwhile, I don't think she's going on CNN this weekend. I think Fox is still the only cabler who reached out.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1256378636095160321

[Bidenworth2020]

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1256378636095160321

Posted already.

[wbrocks67]

Nathan J Robinson is beside himself.  Driving around downtown Santa Cruz begging (thru texts) for the address to LaCasse's home.

Can someone provide the Nathan Robinson details? He allegedly coached LaCasse?