International COVID-19 Megathread

[Meclazine for Israel]

Indian Police

Corona Lathicharge

https://youtu.be/NdhVTZkXb6c

Imagine that in your neighbourhood. It has an almost medieval quality to it.

[jaichind]

Indian Police

Corona Lathicharge

https://youtu.be/NdhVTZkXb6c

Imagine that in your neighbourhood. It has an almost medieval quality to it.

There been some cases where overly aggressive police started to beat people that are going out to buy groceries which is allowed under the 21 day lockdown.  Overall this is not a big deal or that prevalent.    What is much more prevalent is the large number of day laborers that are now out of a job and are walking home hundreds of miles away because all transports have shut down.

[Former President tack50]

Ha, surprising how mediocre Switzerland is on both the hospital beds and intensive care beds, despite having, by some distance, the most expensive healthcare system in Europe.

Maybe the private insurance model isn't all it's cracked up to be?

To be fair Switzerland has the most expensive everything in Europe

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Confirmed: 1638
Suspected: 1719
Recovered: 20
Dead: 21

[kelestian]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4IwEJPrPVp4

Belarussian Lukashenko still in denial about coronavirus. Now he is saying that he "cannot see It here" and "hockey is the Best cure". Also Belarussian Football League is still ongoing, on par probably with just a few countries in Africa and Central America.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Still lots of deaths in Italy today, but the number of new cases is stable for the third consecutive day at around 6000.

[Santander]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4IwEJPrPVp4

Belarussian Lukashenko still in denial about coronavirus. Now he is saying that he "cannot see It here" and "hockey is the Best cure". Also Belarussian Football League is still ongoing, on par probably with just a few countries in Africa and Central America.

Didn't know that. I need to start betting on Belarusian hockey and football now.

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

Germany has hit 50,000 cases now. Still remarkable we have just over 300 deaths. Italy is a tragedy beyond any words.

Why is the German welfare state succeeding, while the Italian is one not?

[Velasco]

Spanish government tightens lockdown to include all non-essential workers

https://english.elpais.com/politics/2020-03-28/spanish-government-tightens-lockdown-to-include-all-non-essential-workers.html

Madrid - 28 MAR 2020 - 21:55 CET
Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez announced on Saturday the total lockdown of all 47 million Spaniards apart from those who are working in essential sectors, in a bid to halt the spread of the coronavirus and to reduce the congestion of the country’s intensive care units (ICUs). At an extraordinary Cabinet meeting on Sunday, ministers will approve the confinement of non-essential workers to their homes for the next two weeks, from Monday March 30, until Thursday April 9, inclusive.   

[Omega21]

Germany has hit 50,000 cases now. Still remarkable we have just over 300 deaths. Italy is a tragedy beyond any words.

Why is the German welfare state succeeding, while the Italian is one not?

Germany is a welfare state?

Maybe for an American, but not for the other 96% of the world.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Belarussian Lukashenko still in denial about coronavirus. Now he is saying that he "cannot see It here"

I can't see "it" either. I literally can't.

[FrancoAgo]

Germany has hit 50,000 cases now. Still remarkable we have just over 300 deaths. Italy is a tragedy beyond any words.

There are rumors in Germany on underestimated covid deaths?

The local transmission in Germany start before that Italy, actually in Italy covid came from German but italian first death is of the 22nd February and the first german is of the 9th March 

[Meclazine for Israel]

No European country has reached the peak of 'Active Cases' and I would not expect any within the next 7 days either.



Whilst no European country has reached the top of the curve (or in my interpretation, a real drop in growth commensurate with a drop in growth near the top of the curve), there are a couple of countries including Italy (21 March) and Spain (26 March) which have come down slightly from a maximum rate of growth.

In other news, 33 Australian doctors have tried to skip Quarantine protocols.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/they-haven-t-listened-medical-professionals-skipped-quarantine-and-flew-interstate-20200328-p54esp.html

6 were caught in the act. 27 others flew interstate against Government guidelines.

[Bismarck]

What’s going on in Japan? As far and I can tell they aren’t doing anything to combat the virus and yet they have no surge. Are they just lucky? Or not testing? Or did they do something to control the virus early in that Im unaware of?

[Meclazine for Israel]

What’s going on in Japan? As far and I can tell they aren’t doing anything to combat the virus and yet they have no surge. Are they just lucky? Or not testing? Or did they do something to control the virus early in that Im unaware of?

No new cases today. 75% recovered. The flattest of flat curves.

They are super organised, intelligent and can trace patients very well.

South Korea and Singapore are the same.

Westerners do not realise how these societies function. Clean, intelligent, efficient.

They were also exposed to the SARS epidemic, so they put things in place for the next time it struck.

So they had a 10-year head start.

[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

What’s going on in Japan? As far and I can tell they aren’t doing anything to combat the virus and yet they have no surge. Are they just lucky? Or not testing? Or did they do something to control the virus early in that Im unaware of?

This is a very good and important question. Part of it may be that there is widespread public wearing of masks, and Japanese culture already avoids some unnecessary contact (i.e. no handshakes), so that sort of thing may slow the spread.

In addition to that, they apparently have even less testing than the USA...

“This may be the tip of the iceberg”: Why Japan’s coronavirus crisis may be just beginning
Japan seemed to have escaped a massive coronavirus outbreak. Now cases are rising.

But experts say the true number of cases in the country almost certainly exceeds 1,400. The government has been criticized for its strict testing criteria, which requires patients to have had a fever of greater than 37.5 Celsius (99.5 F) for more than four days, unless the patients are elderly, have other underlying health conditions, or are connected to a previously confirmed case. Some people who meet the criteria have been denied tests.

Even the United States’ badly flawed and belated testing effort eclipses Japan’s minuscule effort — as of March 20, the US had conducted 313 tests per million people compared to Japan’s 118 tests per million people. Japan is using just 15 percent of its supposed testing capacity of 7,500 tests per day. South Korea, widely praised for its drive-through testing measures, is conducting more than 6,000 tests per million people.

[Tender Branson]

8am Sunday update:

+7.7% rise for positive cases (lowest rise ever)

The number of deaths has not been updated for some reason, but was 68 as of yesterday afternoon.

[Tender Branson]

8am Sunday update:

+7.7% rise for positive cases (lowest rise ever)

The number of deaths has not been updated for some reason, but was 68 as of yesterday afternoon.

More data from the Interior Ministry (9:30am):

8.552 cases (of which:)
   931 in hospitals (of which:)
   187 in ICUs

     86 dead (+18 since yesterday)
   479 recovered

[FrancoAgo]

What’s going on in Japan? As far and I can tell they aren’t doing anything to combat the virus and yet they have no surge. Are they just lucky? Or not testing? Or did they do something to control the virus early in that Im unaware of?

No new cases today. 75% recovered. The flattest of flat curves.

They are super organised, intelligent and can trace patients very well.

South Korea and Singapore are the same.

Westerners do not realise how these societies function. Clean, intelligent, efficient.

They were also exposed to the SARS epidemic, so they put things in place for the next time it struck.

So they had a 10-year head start.

actually Japan did few tests ~30k, so hard find covid affected
Singapore did >40k tests with less 1/20 of japanese population
 

[palandio]

Germany has hit 50,000 cases now. Still remarkable we have just over 300 deaths. Italy is a tragedy beyond any words.

There are rumors in Germany on underestimated covid deaths?

The local transmission in Germany start before that Italy, actually in Italy covid came from German but italian first death is of the 22nd February and the first german is of the 9th March 

Discussions why there are such differences between different countries, of course. It is sometimes assumed that Germany does not test all suspected deaths, but the official claim is that there are no methodological differences between Germany and other countries. By the way, the letality is now rising, which was to be expected because deaths are expected to lag behind diagnoses by several days.

You're writing these things like they were proven facts.

It is true that there was a local outbreak in Germany with the first positive case on 28 January and a total of 15 proven cases in one firm and among the employees' families. The virus had probably been transmitted by an employee from China. It is assumed that this outbreak has been contained, but that obviously cannot be proven.

Genome sequencing showed that the Lodi outbreak was genetically closely related to the German outbreak. Additionally the German firm has an office in Lombardy, but no employees' movement was documented that would allow the virus to be traced back to Germany.

It seems plausible that the virus came to Italy on several ways and that it spread undetected for a while. The first two cases in the German state of Baden-Württemberg had been in Milan before, at a time when the virus was officially still confined to Lodi province.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Germany has hit 50,000 cases now. Still remarkable we have just over 300 deaths. Italy is a tragedy beyond any words.

There are rumors in Germany on underestimated covid deaths?

As far as I know, there have been no reports or "rumors" of Coronavirus deaths being underreported in Germany.

Official case fatality rate is 0.8% here right now which is in line with the more optimistic estimates of the virus' mortality rate, provided there is sufficient medical capacity to care for and treat all infected with serious symptoms concurrently. Germany's mortality rate could theoretically still go up in the future if the infection rate isn't slowed down enough and the healthcare system is overwhelmed after all. But so far this simply hasn't been the case, fortunately.

[President Johnson]

Germany has hit 50,000 cases now. Still remarkable we have just over 300 deaths. Italy is a tragedy beyond any words.

Why is the German welfare state succeeding, while the Italian is one not?

There are a number of factors that explain the contrast between Italy and Germany:

- Germany has more intensive care hospitals beds than Italy (see the graph posted by Tender & Old Europe). The fewer beds available, the higher the death rate.

- The average age of infected people in Italy is higher than in Germany. That means, more people are likely to die from covid19.

- Italy has a different social culture. In Southern Europe, family bounds are closer than in Middle/Northern Europe. It's quite common to hang around the family practically every day in these countries (what obviously results in more infections). I know the contrast in social culture first hand with regard to my German and Greek families.

- Germany has higher testing capabilities due to a unique and decentralized system of laboratories. As a result, we find more infected people compared to Italy. I'm sure the real number of infections in Italy is much higher than reported. That's also the case in Germany, but by a much smaller factor. Germany was lucky in a sense we had the first infections on the radar very early. Meanwhile, experts believe the virus has spread undiscovered in Italy since the middle of January or so. That's a huge difference.

[FrancoAgo]

It seems plausible that the virus came to Italy on several ways and that it spread undetected for a while. The first two cases in the German state of Baden-Württemberg had been in Milan before, at a time when the virus was officially still confined to Lodi province.

actually never officially the virus was confined to Lodi

[FrancoAgo]

- Germany has higher testing capabilities due to a unique and decentralized system of laboratories. As a result, we find more infected people compared to Italy. I'm sure the real number of infections in Italy is much higher than reported. That's also the case in Germany, but by a much smaller factor. Germany was lucky in a sense we had the first infections on the radar very early. Meanwhile, experts believe the virus has spread undiscovered in Italy since the middle of January or so. That's a huge difference.

at the 26th march, i've not more recent data for Germany, the Germany did 5,812 tests per million and Italy 5,986 so practically the same

[President Johnson]

- Germany has higher testing capabilities due to a unique and decentralized system of laboratories. As a result, we find more infected people compared to Italy. I'm sure the real number of infections in Italy is much higher than reported. That's also the case in Germany, but by a much smaller factor. Germany was lucky in a sense we had the first infections on the radar very early. Meanwhile, experts believe the virus has spread undiscovered in Italy since the middle of January or so. That's a huge difference.

at the 26th march, i've not more recent data for Germany, the Germany did 5,812 tests per million and Italy 5,986 so practically the same

Ok, then this changed. I had older reports claiming Germany is first in testing. The deciding factor, however, is still the spreading for a longer time (since January, most likely) and social culture that led to more infections.