Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign megathread v2 (pg 77 - declares victory in Iowa)

[Torrain]

But it was Hillary and her voters who acted entitled.
Amirite?

https://twitter.com/meaganmday/status/1177250292745662466

Wow. By her logic, it’s “his turn”. Which was the fundamental idea that Bernie got into the 2016 race to dispute. 

That’s an almost comical lack of self awareness

Could also be irony. Just a thought.

It could be, but it's a full thread, and she's replying pretty forcefully to anyone who questions her, repeating the same talking point. Either she's trolling, or she's dead serious. I should clarify, that I'm just amused by the irony of her statement. My original post is worded too harshly in hindsight.

[John Dule]

Before it gets tossed about further in this thread:

Communism is not merely the elimination of '"duh billionayhs", nor even of the bourgeoisie (a rather more specific thing) but is rather the abolition of Capital , a social relation perpetuated by the value form inherent in production for exchange (contra use); the class struggle is really a struggle against the logic of the capitalist mode of production, which reproduces the bourgeoisie almost as an afterthought (and who are non-essential to its function). Communis manifests as a movement of the working-class, completely outside of the bourgeois Democratic process.

A wealth tax which redistributes wealth perpetuates wealth, and would redistribute it simply to create a bunch of little embryonic capitalists. Accordingly, a wealth tax is a capitalist project. There is infinitely more of Huey Long than of Karl Marx in this, because there is no Marx in it at all. And there is more of Communism in a worker taking a five minute longer break than is permitted than in this policy.

Good. Huey Long did far more good for the American worker than Karl Marx.

... Which isn't saying much.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

But it was Hillary and her voters who acted entitled.
Amirite?

https://twitter.com/meaganmday/status/1177250292745662466

Wrong, stupid, and entitled BS. Speaking of wrong and stupid BS,

The establishment's official propaganda arm is back on their bullmess, apparently saying that people who support Bernie over Warren must be sexist.

I don't think I need to explain the problem with this. Just another example of vile anti-Bernie bias from MSNBC.

[Cassandra]

-snip- Speaking of wrong and stupid BS,

The establishment's official propaganda arm is back on their bullmess, apparently saying that people who support Bernie over Warren must be sexist.

I don't think I need to explain the problem with this. Just another example of vile anti-Bernie bias from MSNBC.

It would be so easy for us to accuse anyone smearing Sanders of antisemitism. I'm glad we're better than that. It's a shame that so many supporters of other candidates are this craven.

[Xing]

But it was Hillary and her voters who acted entitled.
Amirite?

https://twitter.com/meaganmday/status/1177250292745662466

Wrong, stupid, and entitled BS. Speaking of wrong and stupid BS,

The establishment's official propaganda arm is back on their bullmess, apparently saying that people who support Bernie over Warren must be sexist.

I don't think I need to explain the problem with this. Just another example of vile anti-Bernie bias from MSNBC.

I would hope that even people who aren’t personally fond of Sanders could agree that this woman’s analysis is beyond awful, but I’d probably be hoping in vain. She’s not helping Warren at all by saying that.

[GeneralMacArthur]

The establishment's official propaganda arm is back on their bullmess, apparently saying that people who support Bernie over Warren must be sexist.

I don't think I need to explain the problem with this. Just another example of vile anti-Bernie bias from MSNBC.

I would hope that even people who aren’t personally fond of Sanders could agree that this woman’s analysis is beyond awful, but I’d probably be hoping in vain. She’s not helping Warren at all by saying that.

I agree.  This kind of analysis is snarky and dumb, and it's especially irritating because it gives Sanders supporters an outlier to point to and claim it's representative of the entire media.

I mean this is just one contributor.  This isn't MSNBC's point of view.

[Beet]

Glad I don't watch cable news. Every Warren supporter I've seen has easily denounced this.

https://twitter.com/Millys4Warren/status/1177978311672242177

[Old Man Willow]

I thought that Biden's "let's work with Republicans" was the dumbest thing a candidate has said this cycle until I watched Bernie's interview with Joe Rogan. He claims if the Republicans try to block his proposals he'll hold anti-McConnell rallies in KY. LOL

[Landslide Lyndon]

I thought that Biden's "let's work with Republicans" was the dumbest thing a candidate has said this cycle until I watched Bernie's interview with Joe Rogan. He claims if the Republicans try to block his proposals he'll hold anti-McConnell rallies in KY. LOL

He says the same thing four years now every time he is asked what he'll do when Republicans block his legislative agenda. This and his refusal to abolish the filibuster show to me that he is not serious about passing any meaningful progressive legislation.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

I agree.  This kind of analysis is snarky and dumb, and it's especially irritating because it gives Sanders supporters an outlier to point to and claim it's representative of the entire media.

I mean this is just one contributor.  This isn't MSNBC's point of view.

With the amount of sheer slander (Mimi Rocah's comments still are everpresent) that's gone unchecked, I have to disagree. Zerlina Maxwell quite literally fabricates stories to support a narrative about Bernie being the candidate of the white males. While not as bad as the other two, she goes unchecked and keeps her job. Once is a mistake. Twice is a pattern. Three times is a trend. MSNBC has a trend of biased coverage against Bernie Sanders, because Bernie Sanders is firmly outside the "establishment" that they cater to.

This is much worse than the Rocah comments. What she said was horrible, but I get the sentiment - she'd rather trust a woman to deal with women's issues than a man. I think we're all in agreement that this is a cynical exploitation of sexism, and that **** like what Emily Tisch said is why people are skeptical of the cause.

[GeneralMacArthur]

I agree.  This kind of analysis is snarky and dumb, and it's especially irritating because it gives Sanders supporters an outlier to point to and claim it's representative of the entire media.

I mean this is just one contributor.  This isn't MSNBC's point of view.

With the amount of sheer slander (Mimi Rocah's comments still are everpresent) that's gone unchecked, I have to disagree. Zerlina Maxwell quite literally fabricates stories to support a narrative about Bernie being the candidate of the white males. While not as bad as the other two, she goes unchecked and keeps her job. Once is a mistake. Twice is a pattern. Three times is a trend. MSNBC has a trend of biased coverage against Bernie Sanders, because Bernie Sanders is firmly outside the "establishment" that they cater to.

This is much worse than the Rocah comments. What she said was horrible, but I get the sentiment - she'd rather trust a woman to deal with women's issues than a man. I think we're all in agreement that this is a cynical exploitation of sexism, and that **** like what Emily Tisch said is why people are skeptical of the cause.

This talking head lady's name is Emily Sussman.  She only has 5000 Twitter followers.  She's just some rando MSNBC has on to fill airtime.  This isn't the scandal of the century.

By the way if you want to see Bernie Bros in action go look at the replies to all her tweets since this clip went viral.  Congratulations, guys, you probably made her cry.  Only Bernie's campaign does this.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

This talking head lady's name is Emily Sussman.  She only has 5000 Twitter followers.  She's just some rando MSNBC has on to fill airtime.  This isn't the scandal of the century.

By the way if you want to see Bernie Bros in action go look at the replies to all her tweets since this clip went viral.  Congratulations, guys, you probably made her cry.  Only Bernie's campaign does this.

Tisch, Sussman, whatever. Both sides of her family are rich and she still got given a platform to spew her bullmess to millions of people.

Speaking of bullmess that hurts women...

[Vittorio]

Before it gets tossed about further in this thread:

Communism is not merely the elimination of '"duh billionayhs", nor even of the bourgeoisie (a rather more specific thing) but is rather the abolition of Capital , a social relation perpetuated by the value form inherent in production for exchange (contra use); the class struggle is really a struggle against the logic of the capitalist mode of production, which reproduces the bourgeoisie almost as an afterthought (and who are non-essential to its function). Communis manifests as a movement of the working-class, completely outside of the bourgeois Democratic process.

A wealth tax which redistributes wealth perpetuates wealth, and would redistribute it simply to create a bunch of little embryonic capitalists. Accordingly, a wealth tax is a capitalist project. There is infinitely more of Huey Long than of Karl Marx in this, because there is no Marx in it at all. And there is more of Communism in a worker taking a five minute longer break than is permitted than in this policy.

Good. Huey Long did far more good for the American worker than Karl Marx.

1. Long did nothing "for the American worker".
2. Marx doesn't claim he or anyone else will do anything "for the workers", but that the workers will eventually take their own destiny in hand by kicking down the rotting edifice of capitalism.

[Crumpets]

At what point does one's net worth become immoral? It seems we've established it's higher than $2,000,000 but lower than $1,000,000,000.

[GlobeSoc]

At what point does one's net worth become immoral? It seems we've established it's higher than $2,000,000 but lower than $1,000,000,000.

Wealth in the form of unearned capital is immoral, and getting more than 2 million dollars is typically associated with starting to accrue large amounts of that, yes.

[Landslide Lyndon]

At what point does one's net worth become immoral? It seems we've established it's higher than $2,000,000 but lower than $1,000,000,000.

Wealth in the form of unearned capital is immoral, and getting more than 2 million dollars is typically associated with starting to accrue large amounts of that, yes.

So if someone wins more than 2 million in the lottery that makes him immoral?

[JA]

It's probably smart if you don't listen to whatever nonsense spews from the mouths of any candidate's supporters in the media or on social media. They don't speak for the candidate or the candidate's other supporters. The only person that matters is the candidate and, to an extent, their immediate staff.

Sanders and Warren have both run great campaigns so far and progressive voters should be proud of whichever one emerges as the front runner and, hopefully, the Democratic candidate against Trump.

[QAnonKelly]

Why do we care about randos’ dumb hot takes on cable news/ Twitter/ what have you? I can find randos’ dumb hot takes of any persuasion without looking too hard. They’re kind of a dime a dozen.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Why do we care about randos’ dumb hot takes on cable news/ Twitter/ what have you? I can find randos’ dumb hot takes of any persuasion without looking too hard. They’re kind of a dime a dozen.

Random intern-tier contributor with 5000 Twitter followers = representative of the entire media complex and Democratic establishment.

Speech+tweet writer (Sirota) and national press secretary (Brie) for the Sanders campaign = not representative of Sanders or his views at all!

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Why do we care about randos’ dumb hot takes on cable news/ Twitter/ what have you? I can find randos’ dumb hot takes of any persuasion without looking too hard. They’re kind of a dime a dozen.

Random intern-tier contributor with 5000 Twitter followers = representative of the entire media complex and Democratic establishment.

Speech+tweet writer (Sirota) and national press secretary (Brie) for the Sanders campaign = not representative of Sanders or his views at all!

It's not just some random contributor. MSNBC has been trying to push this Bernie is sexist thing for a while now.

https://twitter.com/sunraysunray/status/1178279300010786816

[GeneralMacArthur]

Why do we care about randos’ dumb hot takes on cable news/ Twitter/ what have you? I can find randos’ dumb hot takes of any persuasion without looking too hard. They’re kind of a dime a dozen.

Random intern-tier contributor with 5000 Twitter followers = representative of the entire media complex and Democratic establishment.

Speech+tweet writer (Sirota) and national press secretary (Brie) for the Sanders campaign = not representative of Sanders or his views at all!

It's not just some random contributor. MSNBC has been trying to push this Bernie is sexist thing for a while now.

https://twitter.com/sunraysunray/status/1178279300010786816

You had to go all the way back to when Harvey Weinstein was respected to find another example?

Also again MSNBC has thousands of guests who are generally empowered to voice their own unscripted opinions.  You're going to get guests saying virtually anything.

[John Dule]

Can a Bernie supporter please explain the federal jobs guarantee to me? It sounds like a genuinely awful proposal.

[Donerail]

Can a Bernie supporter please explain the federal jobs guarantee to me? It sounds like a genuinely awful proposal.

No job? Job sucks? You can get a job with the federal government for $15/hour with healthcare benefits. Not sure what other details you're looking for.

[John Dule]

Can a Bernie supporter please explain the federal jobs guarantee to me? It sounds like a genuinely awful proposal.

No job? Job sucks? You can get a job with the federal government for $15/hour with healthcare benefits. Not sure what other details you're looking for.

What will I be doing at this job? Is it a worthy investment of taxpayer dollars? What skills are required? Why would anyone continue to work for under $15 anywhere else if they can just work for the government and make that amount? Where will these jobs be located? What if I don't like my new government job?

[Mr. Smith]

Can a Bernie supporter please explain the federal jobs guarantee to me? It sounds like a genuinely awful proposal.

No job? Job sucks? You can get a job with the federal government for $15/hour with healthcare benefits. Not sure what other details you're looking for.

What will I be doing at this job? Is it a worthy investment of taxpayer dollars? What skills are required? Why would anyone continue to work for under $15 anywhere else if they can just work for the government and make that amount? Where will these jobs be located? What if I don't like my new government job?

1. Who knows. There'll probably be lots of options, just as there are lots of types of federal jobs now.

2. Why wouldn't it be? It's people being employed, that's money being circulated back into the economy. Oh, wait you're one of those "supply-side" people aren't you?

3. Some people just hate gummint that much..

4. See 1. But I imagine wherever infrastructure needs serious upgrades would be a good start.

5. What, you can't just quit like any other job?