Biden VP news megathread (pg 286 - been selected, announcement could be today)

[GeneralMacArthur]

Being real for a sec?
I cannot, CANNOT, understand how the agreement of the Dems has become "okay so if Biden gets in he'll serve a term then resign and allow his vp to run for their own term"
Like, wtf just vote in the VP instead? Why are there all these extra steps?!

The Democrats aren't saying this.  Just political pundits getting to creative.

Biden is going to serve two terms.

[South Dakota Democrat]

Being real for a sec?
I cannot, CANNOT, understand how the agreement of the Dems has become "okay so if Biden gets in he'll serve a term then resign and allow his vp to run for their own term"
Like, wtf just vote in the VP instead? Why are there all these extra steps?!

The Democrats aren't saying this.  Just political pundits getting to creative.

Biden is going to serve two terms.

Very, very much doubt this.

[Beet]

Being real for a sec?
I cannot, CANNOT, understand how the agreement of the Dems has become "okay so if Biden gets in he'll serve a term then resign and allow his vp to run for their own term"
Like, wtf just vote in the VP instead? Why are there all these extra steps?!

The Democrats aren't saying this.  Just political pundits getting to creative.

Biden is going to serve two terms.

Very, very much doubt this.

If Biden wins in 2020, I don't think he would willingly step aside for someone else in 2024. You would be shunting aside a proven winner for someone untested. Democrats would want to retain incumbency advantage as well which means keeping Biden.

[lfromnj]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/07/11/demings-vp-police-356573

Probably just a hit piece and fortunately for her its a bit late

[Crumpets]

Being real for a sec?
I cannot, CANNOT, understand how the agreement of the Dems has become "okay so if Biden gets in he'll serve a term then resign and allow his vp to run for their own term"
Like, wtf just vote in the VP instead? Why are there all these extra steps?!

The Democrats aren't saying this.  Just political pundits getting to creative.

Biden is going to serve two terms.

Very, very much doubt this.

If Biden wins in 2020, I don't think he would willingly step aside for someone else in 2024. You would be shunting aside a proven winner for someone untested. Democrats would want to retain incumbency advantage as well which means keeping Biden.

I suspect it will come down to how well his VP choice is received and how well she performs in the office. If she demonstrates over the first 2 or 3 years that she's ready to take over, I'd say it's 50/50 whether Biden runs for a second term. If she's Quayle/Cheney/Edwards/Palin 2.0, Biden probably runs again.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

The democratic ticket will NOT be two white septuagenarians. Not in 2020

I really like Warren, but I've never treated her as a serious choice throughout this vetting process. Pretty damn clear he was never gonna pick her, so I don't know why she keeps getting mentioned in these lists/reports other than to appease progressives that she has more than a 1% chance of being picked

[Devils30]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/07/11/demings-vp-police-356573

Probably just a hit piece and fortunately its a bit late

This seems like a piece that a Harris or Warren person would provide the research for.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/12/tammy-duckworth-vp-contention-357234

Top story on Politico right now is all about Duckworth, focusing on her being a veteran and the clash with Tucker Carlson.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/07/11/demings-vp-police-356573

Probably just a hit piece and fortunately its a bit late

This seems like a piece that a Harris or Warren person would provide the research for.

Why? Because it's bringing up some issues during her tenure as Chief of Police? LOL

I bet you would love it if it was anti-Kamala. You wouldn't even give it a second thought.

[Devils30]

It is such a better pick compared to Harris or Warren. She doesn't have the academic background the elites love but her story will resonate with just about every on the fence voter who isn't all in with the Dems on everything.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/07/11/demings-vp-police-356573

Probably just a hit piece and fortunately its a bit late

This seems like a piece that a Harris or Warren person would provide the research for.

I'd think less of their political judgement if they didn't run against their rivals. One of the most critical and widespread errors of the 2020 primaries was various candidates assuming Biden would collapse and running primarily against each other instead of him (until it was too late for most of them).

[Los Angeles Swag Boss]

Around or less than 20 days out and the internal Biden team has been pretty quiet for the past week or two.

Would expect it to be between Harris and Warren, especially since they are getting no buzz right now.

[Devils30]

Around or less than 20 days out and the internal Biden team has been pretty quiet for the past week or two.

Would expect it to be between Harris and Warren, especially since they are getting no buzz right now.

What does either add to the ticket beyond what voters Biden already has?

[Los Angeles Swag Boss]

I think that the bigger thing is that:

- Biden has a relationship with both of them
- Biden knows that they can battle on a debate stage
- Biden knows that they both bring supporters (email lists, phone numbers, & donors) along with a group of activists who will go to battle for them in a general
- They are both in the Senate and have a lot of connections in the Senate

And most importantly: They both are going through full vet processes that have most likely come back very well since there hasn't been a word that has come out of the Biden internal team about them in the past 3 or so weeks.

They both have benefits. They've both been the front-runners (with Klobuchar before she dropped) and they both will bring some level of votes in. Most importantly, they both can be trusted. I'm sure the Biden team is finishing their vets, having some one-on-one conversations, and talking to their internal team about which one to pick over the next 15 or so days.

Around or less than 20 days out and the internal Biden team has been pretty quiet for the past week or two.

Would expect it to be between Harris and Warren, especially since they are getting no buzz right now.

What does either add to the ticket beyond what voters Biden already has?

[BidenHarris2020]

Elizabeth Warren is too old and too white. For the ticket to comprise them both, after the most diverse primary field in history...not happening.

[BidenHarris2020]

If he wants to go the Hillary route and (foolishly) bank on the support of Black Americans just because he was O's VP,  then so be it. But representation matters. Hillary learned that the hard way with reduced AfAm support after choosing milquetoast Tim Kaine of all people.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Elizabeth Warren is too old and too white. For the ticket to comprise them both, after the most diverse primary field in history...not happening.

There's a good case for descriptive representation on the ticket, but I'm not sure the primary field's diversity is it. That was mostly led by (in polls) and got winnowed down to a bunch of older white people.

[OneJ]

If he wants to go the Hillary route and (foolishly) bank on the support of Black Americans just because he was O's VP,  then so be it. But representation matters. Hillary learned that the hard way with reduced AfAm support after choosing milquetoast Tim Kaine of all people.

It was inevitable for Black turnout and support to decline as Obama wasn't on the ballot. I also doubt Hillary picking Kaine for the ticket significantly hurt her in this area even if he didn't help her much at all.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

If he wants to go the Hillary route and (foolishly) bank on the support of Black Americans just because he was O's VP,  then so be it. But representation matters. Hillary learned that the hard way with reduced AfAm support after choosing milquetoast Tim Kaine of all people.

It was inevitable for Black turnout and support to decline as Obama wasn't on the ballot. I also doubt Hillary picking Kaine for the ticket significantly hurt her in this area even if he didn't help her much at all.

Perhaps, but picking Cory Booker, for example, could have made a critical difference.

[ShadowRocket]

The democratic ticket will NOT be two white septuagenarians. Not in 2020

I really like Warren, but I've never treated her as a serious choice throughout this vetting process. Pretty damn clear he was never gonna pick her, so I don't know why she keeps getting mentioned in these lists/reports other than to appease progressives that she has more than a 1% chance of being picked

I'm not so sure.  We've gotten a few reports that her and Biden have more personal chemistry that people would think given their history. Not to mention the issue of Jill Biden reportedly holding a grudge against Harris for her attacks on Biden at the first debate last summer.

Harris is still the front runner and likely whom he ultimately picks but I wouldn't necessarily be surprised if Warren gets it instead.

[ShadowRocket]

If he wants to go the Hillary route and (foolishly) bank on the support of Black Americans just because he was O's VP,  then so be it. But representation matters. Hillary learned that the hard way with reduced AfAm support after choosing milquetoast Tim Kaine of all people.

It was inevitable for Black turnout and support to decline as Obama wasn't on the ballot. I also doubt Hillary picking Kaine for the ticket significantly hurt her in this area even if he didn't help her much at all.

Perhaps, but picking Cory Booker, for example, could have made a critical difference.

Personally, I'm not sure it would've made a difference.  I think we as political junkies have a tendency to really overestimate the ultimate impact running mates have. Unless that individual proves to be a disaster in the way Sarah Palin.  Ultimately it falls on whomever the nominee is to have the skill and talent to win.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

Duckworth and Rice have jumped ahead of Warren on betting markets, with Harris still the overwhelming favorite.

https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/5883/Who-will-win-the-2020-Democratic-vice-presidential-nomination

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

If he wants to go the Hillary route and (foolishly) bank on the support of Black Americans just because he was O's VP,  then so be it. But representation matters. Hillary learned that the hard way with reduced AfAm support after choosing milquetoast Tim Kaine of all people.

It was inevitable for Black turnout and support to decline as Obama wasn't on the ballot. I also doubt Hillary picking Kaine for the ticket significantly hurt her in this area even if he didn't help her much at all.

Perhaps, but picking Cory Booker, for example, could have made a critical difference.

Personally, I'm not sure it would've made a difference.  I think we as political junkies have a tendency to really overestimate the ultimate impact running mates have. Unless that individual proves to be a disaster in the way Sarah Palin.  Ultimately it falls on whomever the nominee is to have the skill and talent to win.

Yeah, this is another one of those contradictions we like to do here.

"It really doesn't matter who the running mate is, anti-Trump fervor is very strong. Also, Tim Kaine cost HRC the election and Biden must pick ___Insert your favorite ___ because it's simply the only way"

[Orwell]

Being real for a sec?
I cannot, CANNOT, understand how the agreement of the Dems has become "okay so if Biden gets in he'll serve a term then resign and allow his vp to run for their own term"
Like, wtf just vote in the VP instead? Why are there all these extra steps?!

The Democrats aren't saying this.  Just political pundits getting to creative.

Biden is going to serve two terms.

Very, very much doubt this.

If Biden wins in 2020, I don't think he would willingly step aside for someone else in 2024. You would be shunting aside a proven winner for someone untested. Democrats would want to retain incumbency advantage as well which means keeping Biden.

I suspect it will come down to how well his VP choice is received and how well she performs in the office. If she demonstrates over the first 2 or 3 years that she's ready to take over, I'd say it's 50/50 whether Biden runs for a second term. If she's Quayle/Cheney/Edwards/Palin 2.0, Biden probably runs again.

Cheney was a pretty damn good VP. Also in 2008, Biden was selected with the notion he wouldn't run in 2016 according to Double Down: Game Change 2012 by Mark Halperin and John Heileman. The Obama administration was surprised when Biden attempted to hire Kevin Sheekey to be his Chief of Staff, but it was vetoed by Obama world because they considered Sheekey to be a leaker and not trustworthy.  

[wbrocks67]

Warren is not gonna be VP. I'd bet that Duckworth is a better bet than her, and probably even Demings/Bottoms to a lesser degree. Will not be Rice, I think we all can agree