Biden VP news megathread (pg 286 - been selected, announcement could be today)

[Crumpets]

good point

https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1280892548370829313

It's funny how that 13% of non-Biden supporting Sanders supporters who in turn are about 30-40% of Democrats who in turn are around 50% of voters who in turn are around 50-60% of the population (works out to about 1.3% of the country) seem to make up the outright majority of political posts on my Facebook page.

[Progressive Pessimist]

https://twitter.com/JoeforIndiana/status/1280924789453045760

Joe Donnelly comes to Duckworth's defence.

I guess this is one of the upsides to not being a politician anymore. I don't think we would have seen Senator Donnelly in 2018 say this.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

Exactly, she will have wider appeal than a Harris, Warren and Rice who appeal mainly to urban intellectuals who are more socially liberal, winners of the meritocracy game.

Or she'll instantly be over-inflated into a Palin figure who captures everyone's attention but then fails to adequately meet expectations when she's put on TV. And if she does flounder, it would reflect poorly on Biden. He's doing so well right now that I'd hate for him to toss in a gigantic unknown like Duckworth and then end up screwed. Same story for the risk/reward that would come with choosing Warren. She automatically alienates some people and automatically inspires others, but it's not at all clear which of those effects would ultimately come out stronger.

Harris, on the other hand, adds "energy" and "youthfulness" with relatively little risk. I honestly think it has to be Kamala.

Of course you're backing her.

Context?  

Somebody above said that arguing Harris “has to” be the choice means I’m not open to being convinced otherwise and that it makes it easy for me to cast everyone as a Palin figure. That’s ridiculous black-and-white thinking. The choices aren’t “goddess Kamala” and a barrel of poison. I just feel that Duckworth is particularly susceptible to being Palinized because she has all the hallmarks of a celebrity candidate with already some of the red flags that show she may not be politically agile enough to deal with the spotlight. Why would you choose someone who you know will receive more outsized attention than anybody else and who you don’t know has the political skills to keep up with the pressure? It could all work out fine, and I’d possibly take the risk if I were only up by three. Biden is up by 10. It doesn’t make sense.

Thanks for quoting me.

Again, I just can't square this take of "Running mates mean very little to a campaign" and "Anti-Trump feelings are so high that it literally doesn't matter who runs against him" with "It has to be this person because the other one is too risky". I'd imagine if Biden were up by 10 instead of 10, that actually gives him more wiggle room to pick someone who you'd consider "risky".

Then again, I get the impression that Biden has known for months who he wants and all these names coming out are just window-dressing for potential cabinet positions. I seriously doubt he's ever considered Warren a serious running mate, regardless of whatever lists or reports are out.

If only Duckworth spent even a week running for president. Maybe then she'd be considered just as viable as Harris, Klobuchar & Warren are/were.

Anyway, if it's Duckworth then I'll be happy. If it's Harris, then I'll be disappointed but have spent weeks expecting it anyway. Either way, it won't matter because I'm 99% sure it'll be Harris and this thread will soon double in size with empty quote chains of "Who else could it have been?", "As expected", "It was always going to be her" and "My Queen!" comments.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Either way, it won't matter because I'm 99% sure it'll be Harris and this thread will soon double in size with empty quote chains of "Who else could it have been?", "As expected", "It was always going to be her" and "My Queen!" comments.

LOL. Even as a Biden/Harris supporter this made me chuckle.

[Orwell]

I don't see why people think Kamala is inevitable am I the only who just doesn't get what's so special about her?

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

I don't see why people think Kamala is inevitable am I the only who just doesn't get what's so special about her?

People see her as inevitable because a lot of fairly high-profile Democrats have been talking her up. That is a soft indicator suggesting that they've either been lobbying for her or that they suspect or have been told she's already been picked.

Of the shortlist of candidates whose vetting has been confirmed, she is one of the better ones.

[Devils30]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/22/joe-biden-mystique-election-democrats

To put it plainly, Biden is the product of a completely different world than the Ivy League meritocracy that has taken over the Democratic party. He is an unapologetic child of an industrial town and a middle-class society, and in this sense, he is a relic of an older, warmer kind of liberalism.

When it comes to Biden, journalists will never enthuse – as they did with Bill Clinton –about the awesome things that will happen when his Rhodes Scholar friends come together with his Yale Law friends. Biden will never choose to publish summaries of his administration in academic journals, as Obama did.

"Catering to society’s well-educated winners is no way to run a party of the left: Biden seems to be one of the few mainstream Democrats to have grasped this. He recalled in the interview being told by a Hillary Clinton operative in 2016 that he “had to make a distinction between progressive values and working-class values”.

“I said I’ve never found a distinction,” Biden claimed he replied. “Never found them hard to sell.”

I think this article might explain it well if Biden ends up not picking Warren, Harris or Rice. The fact that Harris had a lot of the Clinton team advising her clearly is a mark against her and the debate attack can't help either.

From a middle class/median voter standpoint, it is easy to see why Duckworth and Demings make a lot more sense despite not being candidates for President in 2020.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

I don't see why people think Kamala is inevitable am I the only who just doesn't get what's so special about her?

Most of this forum agrees with you. Have you not been paying attention lol?

[Morning in Atlas]

Exactly, she will have wider appeal than a Harris, Warren and Rice who appeal mainly to urban intellectuals who are more socially liberal, winners of the meritocracy game.

Or she'll instantly be over-inflated into a Palin figure who captures everyone's attention but then fails to adequately meet expectations when she's put on TV. And if she does flounder, it would reflect poorly on Biden. He's doing so well right now that I'd hate for him to toss in a gigantic unknown like Duckworth and then end up screwed. Same story for the risk/reward that would come with choosing Warren. She automatically alienates some people and automatically inspires others, but it's not at all clear which of those effects would ultimately come out stronger.

Harris, on the other hand, adds "energy" and "youthfulness" with relatively little risk. I honestly think it has to be Kamala.

Of course you're backing her.

Context? 

Hagrid said some absolutely sociopathic stuff about my mother verbally and emotionally abusing me. This includes:

* Accusing me of telling my abuse story for attention

* Saying I used my abuse story to distract from my unban (of course, most of my return post was talking about the incident that got me banned and what I've done to get my mental health in check)

* Telling me that nobody cared about my abuse including on said thread

* Saying I shouldn't be mad over him dismissing my abuse

PittsburghSteel, for the record, endorsed all these terrible barbs that Hagrid threw at me, and also called me "bitter" because I was still mad over said endorsement.

When these people try to say we're the toxic ones, remember what these pieces of **** did to me. I've had a lot of messed up accusations thrown my way (many of which I've forgiven), but an apology from these two would mean nothing to me. They're beyond forgiveness.

[YE]

Sawx I know this is personal for you but can we stay on topic going forward?

[Morning in Atlas]

Sawx I know this is personal for you but can we stay on topic going forward?

So people can call me a sexist and accuse me of making fake news up, and it's fine. But when I call someone out for downplaying a traumatic event in my lifetime, it's a problem that requires a verbal warning.

**** that. Hagrid gets the same peace he gave me.

[brucejoel99]

good point

https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1280892548370829313

Maybe not

https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1280935345022894080

[HagridOfTheDeep]

This is an Internet forum. My goodness. This score-keeping, score-setting, and deep investment in feuds with Internet personalities who are barely a part of your life should not matter so much. It took me a long time to learn that myself, but now that I have, I will always have my peace because I truly don’t give a sh-t. Strongly recommend trying it out.

[Morning in Atlas]

Sawx thinks the world revolves around him and that I have chosen Kamala Harris because it would offer him some form of specific spite. Or something.

Not particularly. I actually understand your points and agree with your arguments! I think there's an equally valid argument for her and Duckworth.

(as an aside, I'd also argue people noticing the KHive is one of the risks, and their toxicity is starting to gain traction outside the Berniesphere. There's just a vocal minority of bad actors emboldened by high-ranking people in the campaign, and I'd personally argue that they haven't gotten national attention was because Kamala's in the leadership's "in club").

I made the quip about you because I thought it was funny that the anti-Bernie cabal's biggest scumbag jumped ship to the establishment's answer to the Bernie Borg.

This is an Internet forum. My goodness. This score-keeping, score-setting, and deep investment in feuds with Internet personalities who are barely a part of your life should not matter so much. It took me a long time to learn that myself, but now that I have, I will always have my peace because I truly don’t give a sh-t. Strongly recommend trying it out.

Most petty Internet forum feuds don't involve attacking people for opening up about their personal trauma.

I've held onto a lot of grudges over some really dumb ****. I've spewn some hatred and dredged up old drama over petty stuff. But your lack of remorse for what you've said says a hell of a lot more about your mental stability than this grudge says about mine.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

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[President Johnson]

I really wish Joe Biden would go ahead and put this thread out of its misery.

Yeah, just give it to Kamala or Val Demings. Both would be a great addition to the ticket and be a fine choice to lead the party beyond Biden's presidency.

[Orwell]

I really wish Joe Biden would go ahead and put this thread out of its misery.

Yeah, just give it to Kamala or Val Demings. Both would be a great addition to the ticket and be a fine choice to lead the party beyond Biden's presidency.

That's a strange way spelling Tammy Duckworth, maybe renew the English lessons Herr Johnson.

[wbrocks67]

good point

https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1280892548370829313

Maybe not

https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1280935345022894080

While that may be true,  I also don't really buy anything Stan Greenberg says because he's also been openly campaigning for Warren and oddly not sharing any data on anyone else. (there was a politico article where he was pushing for her really badly due to the "Data" but failed to show any other data for any other VP candidate... it just seemed hack-ish)

[tomhguy]

Can someone give me a tl:dr for the past 142 pages please . Thanks.

[Torrain]

Can someone give me a tl:dr for the past 142 pages please . Thanks.

Biden will probably pick Sen. Kamala Harris - who few people are enthusiastic about, but poses little threat to the ticket, outside of scrutiny of her prosecution record

Biden may pick Rep. Val Demings, who is less well known, but brings a similar level of diversity to the ticket. Some are sceptical of her, as she led the Orlando Police Department, which may play against her in 2020.

There is a small chance that Biden picks Sen. Tammy Duckworth. A combat veteran, double amputee and woman of colour, she brings a fascinating life story and background to the ticket. But poor wording in interviews and statements make some concerned she may not be ready for prime time.

Some still hold out hope that Biden will pick Sen. Elizabeth Warren, but recent polling showing Warren supporters onboard with the Biden campaign, and the pressure to produce a more diverse ticket has led many to assume that she is out of the running.

Former ambassador Susan Rice, and Georgia politician Stacey Abrams have both been campaigning for the job for the last couple of months, and both names have been floated by Biden. Few believe that they will be picked however.

[wbrocks67]

Biden will probably pick Sen. Kamala Harris - who few people are enthusiastic about

This is not true but okay. Harris had the biggest % of "excited" votes in the USA Today/Suffolk poll.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-white-people-most-excited-about-kamala-harris-for-vp-and-most-likely-to-find-elizabeth-warren-unacceptable/ar-BB16fPZG

[South Dakota Democrat]

Biden will probably pick Sen. Kamala Harris - who few people are enthusiastic about

This is not true but okay. Harris had the biggest % of "excited" votes in the USA Today/Suffolk poll.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-white-people-most-excited-about-kamala-harris-for-vp-and-most-likely-to-find-elizabeth-warren-unacceptable/ar-BB16fPZG

Yeah, bad take by Torrain.

I think they meant on this thread, few are enthused about her.

[DisneyDem]

In what world are rice and Duckworth so far behind KH? I think they’re all three bunched up together along with val.

[wbrocks67]

In what world are rice and Duckworth so far behind KH? I think they’re all three bunched up together along with val.

Susan Rice really provides nothing to the ticket. She has admin experience, but no elected experience, nor does she provide any excitement, and she would probably be a huge weight on the ticket as Rs would yell Benghazi every single day. There's not many upsides to adding Rice.

[DisneyDem]

I would put Duckworth, Warren, Abrams, and probably even bass A head of rice, but I understand the argument for her. It’s a doubling down on your brand. Like Al Gore.