Biden VP news megathread (pg 286 - been selected, announcement could be today)

[Rookie Yinzer]

I been expecting Klobuchar. My problem with her is she is too safe of a pick. To be honest she does not the charisma needed to lead a ticket. This matters more because there is a chance Biden won't serve a full term. Harris would be a better pick as she has the charisma Klobuchar lacks. Whitmer might work. Her handling of the coronavirus could show readiness. She is still a couple years in her term. Duckworth not sure about.

I think Klobuchar is more charismatic than Harris, she at least has Midwestern authenticity and did better in her presidential campaign while Harris seems inauthentic.

What the heck is Midwestern authenticity? Seems like another way to say inoffensive white woman. Kamala has more electoral benefits than Klobuchar. I would want the woman Dolores Huerta endorsed because of her strong background standing up for farm workers, someone who can go to Florida and relate to first generation Caribbean communities, who can talk to the burgeoning AAPI electorates in TX and GA, and double down on suburban white women. Klobuchar ain’t got it. Picking HER would be Tim Kaine tier.

How is Kamala Harris supposed to inspire so many people as a vice-presidential candidate when she couldn't do that as a presidential candidate?

The same way Biden was supposed to help Obama with WWC even though he got 1% in Iowa. Performance in a primary has no bearing on what a person can bring to the ticket in the general election. Period. There are countless examples and I don’t know why it has to keep being said.

Her campaign had way more energy than Klobuchar's, even near the end. Even in Iowa, which she never really connected with, she still had a massive operation and passionate fanbase - just look at the Iowa convention they had late last year.

Kamala’s problem was skittish donors afraid a Black woman couldn’t pull it out and going to Pete and Biden. She never got the chance to stand on the ballot. The voters who would have made up her primary base do not donate like Bernie’s cosplay socialists. The criticism of her primary run as to why she can’t be VP is dumb and has no historical basis. Like just say you don’t like her and stop bringing up fake metrics that Biden, Pence, Cheney, Gore, and even Quayle couldn’t live up to.

[Bidenworth2020]

In addition to the points RFKfan made, Harris and Biden actually really like each other. That seems like something Biden might really care about. Nick aside, her or Harris would both be solid picks.

[beaver2.0]

Pressler would be an excellent pick but she doesnt want the job

Ok at first I thought you meant Larry Pressler.  That would be something.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Accomodation is a two-way street. The Bernie wing lost. They should act like it. From a risk-reduction perspective they are obliged to vote for Joe Biden, especially since he's done more than what is necessary to "earn" their vote.

That’s nice to say but doesn’t mean much, especially when the Democratic Party packs up and doesn’t support left-wing candidates that defeat their endorsed candidates in the primary.

The left doesn't get to shove its policy down the throats of the party on basis of consistent, laughable claims that Biden hasn't done enough to "earn" their vote.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Biden is going to try to recreate a relationship that's similar to the one he had with Obama. Seems glaringly obvious he wants to pick Harris. She makes sense as his pick for a whole host of reasons.

[Holmes]

Accomodation is a two-way street. The Bernie wing lost. They should act like it. From a risk-reduction perspective they are obliged to vote for Joe Biden, especially since he's done more than what is necessary to "earn" their vote.

That’s nice to say but doesn’t mean much, especially when the Democratic Party packs up and doesn’t support left-wing candidates that defeat their endorsed candidates in the primary.

The left doesn't get to shove its policy down the throats of the party on basis of consistent, laughable claims that Biden hasn't done enough to "earn" their vote.

This is a weird post. Because the Democratic party is (or pretends to be) a left-wing party!

But no, Biden hasn't really done much to earn people's votes, has he? From complaining about young people to outright telling people at rallies and events to vote for his opponents, he's been pretty bad at giving people a reason to vote for him.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Accomodation is a two-way street. The Bernie wing lost. They should act like it. From a risk-reduction perspective they are obliged to vote for Joe Biden, especially since he's done more than what is necessary to "earn" their vote.

That’s nice to say but doesn’t mean much, especially when the Democratic Party packs up and doesn’t support left-wing candidates that defeat their endorsed candidates in the primary.

The left doesn't get to shove its policy down the throats of the party on basis of consistent, laughable claims that Biden hasn't done enough to "earn" their vote.

This is a weird post. Because the Democratic party is (or pretends to be) a left-wing party!

But no, Biden hasn't really done much to earn people's votes, has he? From complaining about young people to outright telling people at rallies and events to vote for his opponents, he's been pretty bad at giving people a reason to vote for him.

The Democrats aren't a proper left-wing party. They are a party rooted in the center-left, with some more progressive elements and such.
You clearly haven't seen his pronouncements on student debt and some other matters.

[JRP1994]

I'm surprised Susan Rice hasn't gotten more attention. Hard to get more qualified than a Rhodes scholar who graduated Stanford and Oxford, has a couple decades worth of national security experience, and has served as both Ambassador to the United Nations and National Security Advisor

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

I'm surprised Susan Rice hasn't gotten more attention. Hard to get more qualified than a Rhodes scholar who graduated Stanford and Oxford, has a couple decades worth of national security experience, and has served as both Ambassador to the United Nations and National Security Advisor

She’s not worth re-litigating “Benghazi”

[brucejoel99]

Why not Porter as she is Warren's protege, and she will be a olive branch appeal to most Bernie supporters, that aren't BERNIE OR BUST.

Because she is even more inexperienced than Abrams.

I wouldn't agree with that particular characterization, but yeah, she's definitely still too inexperienced to be VP right now.

[Mr. Morden]

Grisham asked about whether she’d be interested in being vice president, and she gives a word salad non-denial about how she wants to remain governor, yet she describes the ideal vice president as someone like her:

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/politics/nm-gov-on-vp-spot-whatever-it-takes-to-support-biden/video_0655f1dc-8521-5770-8eff-c16e6da42011.html

”Well, I will do this: I think that you want a vice president that was much like Vice President Biden.  He knew how to govern.  He had done a ton of work as a Senator, and in local government as well, and I think that those were incredible attributes.

I want to be the governor of New Mexico.  I will do whatever it takes to support a Biden administration, and I’m looking forward to a federal administration that can do a national strategy in good times and in bad times both.”

[Progressive Pessimist]

Accomodation is a two-way street. The Bernie wing lost. They should act like it. From a risk-reduction perspective they are obliged to vote for Joe Biden, especially since he's done more than what is necessary to "earn" their vote.

That’s nice to say but doesn’t mean much, especially when the Democratic Party packs up and doesn’t support left-wing candidates that defeat their endorsed candidates in the primary.

The left doesn't get to shove its policy down the throats of the party on basis of consistent, laughable claims that Biden hasn't done enough to "earn" their vote.

This is a weird post. Because the Democratic party is (or pretends to be) a left-wing party!

But no, Biden hasn't really done much to earn people's votes, has he? From complaining about young people to outright telling people at rallies and events to vote for his opponents, he's been pretty bad at giving people a reason to vote for him.

In all honesty, Biden and his campaign has gotten their s*** together. I don't really like holding those early mistakes against them now.

[Nyvin]

Biden is going to try to recreate a relationship that's similar to the one he had with Obama. Seems glaringly obvious he wants to pick Harris. She makes sense as his pick for a whole host of reasons.

Ugh,  not Harris,  I really really hope it's not Harris.   I just really think together they come off as way too much establishment,  it will be so easy to paint them as insiders and entrenched elites.  

Please please please not Harris.

Klobuchar is kinda dull but at least she would help keep Minnesota in the dem's column.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Harris is establishment but not the woman who has been in the U.S. Senate 10 years longer than her?

K.

[wbrocks67]

It's crazy that serving as Attorney General and Senator the biggest state of the nation somehow isn't exemplary anymore but rather just "establishment"

[Illini Moderate]

Accomodation is a two-way street. The Bernie wing lost. They should act like it. From a risk-reduction perspective they are obliged to vote for Joe Biden, especially since he's done more than what is necessary to "earn" their vote.

That’s nice to say but doesn’t mean much, especially when the Democratic Party packs up and doesn’t support left-wing candidates that defeat their endorsed candidates in the primary.

The left doesn't get to shove its policy down the throats of the party on basis of consistent, laughable claims that Biden hasn't done enough to "earn" their vote.

This is a weird post. Because the Democratic party is (or pretends to be) a left-wing party!

But no, Biden hasn't really done much to earn people's votes, has he? From complaining about young people to outright telling people at rallies and events to vote for his opponents, he's been pretty bad at giving people a reason to vote for him.

The young people quote was definitely wrong of him, and out of touch. It was also made before he was running. I guarantee he will spend a lot of time speaking on issues which directly affect young voters in the months ahead.

I honestly don't see a problem with him telling people to vote for his opponents when they show up to his rallies and interrupt him by making hyperbolized accusations. These are the same people showing up at Buttigieg's rally's waving signs accusing him of "killing" them. They aren't going to vote for Biden, they only want to shout him down and make their point. They have absolutely no interest in talking with him, as many have refused to meet with him after rallies. I get that it looks bad, but honestly, what else can he say to them. They are being disruptive and insulting him. There is no chance he can win them over no matter what he says.

[Rookie Yinzer]

It's crazy that serving as Attorney General and Senator the biggest state of the nation somehow isn't exemplary anymore but rather just "establishment"

And let’s be clear that a woman especially a Black woman could never just swoop in and demand the party place them at the head of the table like Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders. Women have to build relationships, coalitions, and prove themselves to the party before asking for a promotion such as the presidential nomination or a VP slot. Harris has spent her entire first term raising money for other Democrats especially those in the Senate. That’s supposed to be a bad thing? But y’all want Democrats to magically do everything while they’re in the minority but crap on individuals trying to get resources to get us to a majority. It’s crazy.

[Lord Halifax]

Harris is establishment but not the woman who has been in the U.S. Senate 10 years longer than her?

K.

establishment = those who control the party

it has nothing to do with seniority.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Harris is establishment but not the woman who has been in the U.S. Senate 10 years longer than her?

K.

establishment = those who control the party

it has nothing to do with seniority.

Bernie Sanders wrote the rules of the primary. You can't get any more establishment than that.

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

Harris is establishment but not the woman who has been in the U.S. Senate 10 years longer than her?

K.

establishment = those who control the party

it has nothing to do with seniority.

She flopped out of the primary because she ran out of money. People who "control the party" do not do that.

[Mr. Morden]

Cuomo says he’s “staying here” [in New York], and isn’t running to be Biden’s running mate (nor to replace him on the ticket):

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/cuomo-rules-out-replacing-joe-biden-as-democratic-presidential-candidate-says-no-to-vp-position-i-am-staying-here/ar-BB12udlM

“That is on one hand flattering," Cuomo said. "On the other hand, it is irrelevant.”

He brushed off rumors that some Democratic insiders believe he could be a stronger candidate than Biden to oust President Trump in November.

“I’m not running for president. I’m not running for vice president,” he said. “I am staying here.”

[GeneralMacArthur]

The young people quote was definitely wrong of him, and out of touch. It was also made before he was running. I guarantee he will spend a lot of time speaking on issues which directly affect young voters in the months ahead.

That young people quote has been taken out of context.

In context, he is advocating for young people to get off their butts and engage with the process, and saying progress has always been difficult and you have to fight for it.  The "no sympathy" bit is weird but it's typically Biden convoluted language.  His message is basically "stop whining and start acting!"

[President Johnson]

Cuomo says he’s “staying here” [in New York], and isn’t running to be Biden’s running mate (nor to replace him on the ticket):

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/cuomo-rules-out-replacing-joe-biden-as-democratic-presidential-candidate-says-no-to-vp-position-i-am-staying-here/ar-BB12udlM

“That is on one hand flattering," Cuomo said. "On the other hand, it is irrelevant.”

He brushed off rumors that some Democratic insiders believe he could be a stronger candidate than Biden to oust President Trump in November.

“I’m not running for president. I’m not running for vice president,” he said. “I am staying here.”

He should be Chief of Staff or Attorney General.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Cuomo says he’s “staying here” [in New York], and isn’t running to be Biden’s running mate (nor to replace him on the ticket):

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/cuomo-rules-out-replacing-joe-biden-as-democratic-presidential-candidate-says-no-to-vp-position-i-am-staying-here/ar-BB12udlM

“That is on one hand flattering," Cuomo said. "On the other hand, it is irrelevant.”

He brushed off rumors that some Democratic insiders believe he could be a stronger candidate than Biden to oust President Trump in November.

“I’m not running for president. I’m not running for vice president,” he said. “I am staying here.”

He should be Chief of Staff or Attorney General.

I think he wants to break his father's record and run for a fourth term.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

There is no world in which Andrew Cuomo is a strong Democratic Presidential or Vice-Presidential Candidate outside of the 1990s. “Democratic insiders” are idiots if they’re letting his response to Coronavirus outweigh his awful record the last decade.