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« Reply #650 on: March 02, 2016, 12:48:17 AM »

Sanders "underperforming" his target in VT is literally meaningless since it resulted in 0 change of delegates. And it's not as if the media will call VT a disappointment for Sanders.

Clinton hacks are now comparing results vs FB Likes n stuff - No morals, No dignity even while winning!
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« Reply #651 on: March 02, 2016, 12:48:31 AM »

Actual Numbers vs 538 -

Vs Polling Average -
(Sanders)
Alabama -6%
Arkansas -2%
Georgia +0%  (+0.3)
Mass +5%
Okla +3.5%
Tenn 0%(+0.4%)
Texas -1.5%
Vermont +1.5%
Virginia +0% (+0.2%)

No Polls for MN & CO

538 gave a tough target to Sanders to win the nomination(if tied nationally & he is 10% odd behind)

MN (Target - 60%) (Actual - 60%)
Co (Target - 55%) (Actual - 58%) - +3%

Alabama is the only state Where Sanders has out-performed by 6%.

Most states he has out-performed the polls including beating a very tough target in MN & CO.

Overall average he has out-performed

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/super-tuesday-preview-democratic-presidential-election-2016/
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/primaries/2016-03-01



The purpose of the bechmarks is to gauge Bernie's performance against Clinton, not himself, in order to reach the requisite number of delegates to win the nomination. So for example, as of 2 hours ago, the benchmark for Bernie in MA was Sanders +11. In other words, he needed to win MA by 11 points. The result (as of 2 hours ago provided in the link above) shows Clinton winning MA by 3. In other words, in MA, the target was 14 points in favor of Clinton.
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« Reply #652 on: March 02, 2016, 12:49:06 AM »

Sanders won 4 out of 5. That's very good. Margins not so good. He is still viable albeit not as viable as he was. He has to turn it around soon.
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« Reply #653 on: March 02, 2016, 12:49:39 AM »

Sanders "underperforming" his target in VT is literally meaningless since it resulted in 0 change of delegates. And it's not as if the media will call VT a disappointment for Sanders.

Clinton hacks are now comparing results vs FB Likes n stuff - No morals, No dignity even while winning!

What are you on about?
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« Reply #654 on: March 02, 2016, 12:53:11 AM »

Sanders won 4 out of 5. That's very good. Margins not so good. He is still viable albeit not as viable as he was. He has to turn it around soon.

Sorry but Sanders isn't viable any longer. He even lost Massachusetts. About as white liberal stronghold as there is. Only Vermont, NH, and Iowa are better demographically to Sanders.
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« Reply #655 on: March 02, 2016, 12:55:10 AM »

MSNBC saying Hillary winning Massachusetts was "unexpected", even though she was leading in polls by high single digits... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #656 on: March 02, 2016, 12:59:53 AM »

Bernie won Loving County! Cheesy
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« Reply #657 on: March 02, 2016, 01:04:27 AM »


Wait, there are actual people there still?
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« Reply #658 on: March 02, 2016, 01:06:53 AM »


Not only that, apparently there are Democrats there. Shocked

Considering there are more populous counties in TX where no vote was cast, this is pretty impressive.
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« Reply #659 on: March 02, 2016, 01:08:20 AM »

FEEL THE (CLINTON) BURN! PLUS IT WILL ONLY GONNA GET STRONGER!
Demographically, the Clinton burn will be stronger today than at any other time. She can look forward to getting these margins in MS, LA, and DC, but nowhere else.

She doesn't need those massive margins anymore due to her massive delegate lead. Even in the worst case scenario, she just needs to keep most contests remotely close. Easy peasy.

She needs big wins otherwise she could loose. CA, PA, etc have huge delegates & a 7-8% loss would make substantial differences. Add to it the string of states Bernie will win next.

She needs big wins MS,LA,IL,FL, etc to put this race to bed. If she is like 350 delegate ahead, it will be impossible for Bernie

You wish dude. Just go back to reddit already.

This is common sense. When you have 1000 Delegates left (say) with 40 days left with a 100-150 delegate margin, if you call it over, you're just dumb.

You're sig counting the Super Delegates is also insanely dumb & I don't want to waste my time explaining, you should have the intelligence to figure that out- I don't want to waste my time with you so there goes my last reply to you!!!

The magic number is 2,383 to clinch the nomination. She can do this with even a Superdelegate, although it will be a state that officially takes her over. So you are just plain wrong. A delegate is a delegate is a delegate.

If Sanders beats Hillary in pledged delegates

He has no chance now of doing that.

We will have to agree to disagree about that.  I think Bernie still has a chance.  Sure, Clinton is the favorite right now, but it's not over IMO.  As long as Bernie remains competitive until March 15, and his supporters don't give up, he can turn things around when the more left wing states begin voting.
I was at the campaign headquarters tonight in Portland and there was a lot of excitement.  People still have hope and that's what's important.
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« Reply #660 on: March 02, 2016, 01:08:43 AM »

It is time for everybody to start uniting around Hillary Clinton in the fight to stop Trump. Sanders has, actually, performed an important role so far, in making the Democratic primary contested and in the news: this is always good for an eventual nominee. I hope he continues in the race: his presence has been beneficial. But we should not be losing the main objective: Trump has to be stopped. At this point, all sane people should not lose track of this prime objective.
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« Reply #661 on: March 02, 2016, 01:08:56 AM »
« Edited: March 02, 2016, 01:21:06 AM by Ogre Mage »

In terms of the headlines, Sanders had a pretty good night -- he won 4 states.  But in terms of the delegate count Hillary was the runaway winner.  As others have said, the major factor here was Hillary's blowout wins in the southern states.  In the biggest delegate prize, Texas, she is currently winning 66-33.  In the second biggest state, Georgia, she slayed 71-28.  Alabama is an average-sized state but she won by a ridiculous 78-19 which is a big delegate advantage.  In fact, because Bernie is below 20% I believe he gets no delegates from that state.  Clinton gets no delegates from Vermont but that is Bernie's home state and a small state with not many delegates at stake.
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« Reply #662 on: March 02, 2016, 01:10:59 AM »

It is time for everybody to start uniting around Hillary Clinton in the fight to stop Trump. Sanders has, actually, performed an important role so far, in making the Democratic primary contested and in the news: this is always good for an eventual nominee. I hope he continues in the race: his presence has been beneficial. But we should not be losing the main objective: Trump has to be stopped. At this point, all sane people should not lose track of this prime objective.

Totally agree with that.
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« Reply #663 on: March 02, 2016, 01:13:06 AM »

In terms of the headlines, Sanders had a pretty good night -- he won 4 states.  But in terms of the delegate count Hillary was the runaway winner.  As others have said, the major factor here was Hillary's blowout wins in the southern states.  In the biggest delegate prize, Texas, she is currently winning 66-33.  In the second biggest state, Georgia, she slayed 71-28.  Alabama is an average-sized state but she won by a ridiculous 78-19 which is a big delegate advantage.  In fact, because Bernie is below 20% I believe he gets no delegates from that state.  Clinton gets no delegates from Vermont but that is a Bernie's home state and a small state with not many delegates at stake.

Yup, people need to remember this isn't the electoral college. State wins don't mean very much, aside from optics. What really matters are the margins, and Hillary's margins in the South have effectively shut Bernie out of the nomination. There's just nowhere he can make it up, especially if he's splitting the delegates in states like IA and MA.
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« Reply #664 on: March 02, 2016, 01:15:41 AM »

should not lose track of this prime objective.

The prime objective is electing Hillary so she can appoint the 9th Supreme Court justice. THAT IS THE PRIME OBJECTIVE! THIS SINGLE JUSTICE WILL DEFINE A GENERATION PEOPLE! A GENERATION!
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« Reply #665 on: March 02, 2016, 01:16:50 AM »

should not lose track of this prime objective.

The prime objective is electing Hillary so she can appoint the 9th Supreme Court justice. THAT IS THE PRIME OBJECTIVE! THIS SINGLE JUSTICE WILL DEFINE A GENERATION PEOPLE! A GENERATION!

Calm down... it's okay. Just take deep breaths.
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« Reply #666 on: March 02, 2016, 01:17:25 AM »

It is time for everybody to start uniting around Hillary Clinton in the fight to stop Trump. Sanders has, actually, performed an important role so far, in making the Democratic primary contested and in the news: this is always good for an eventual nominee. I hope he continues in the race: his presence has been beneficial. But we should not be losing the main objective: Trump has to be stopped. At this point, all sane people should not lose track of this prime objective.

Totally agree with that.

I agree also.  We have to stop Trump and take control of the Supreme Court.  And Clinton has been doing very well with nonwhite voters that Trump keeps making denigrating remarks about.  
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« Reply #667 on: March 02, 2016, 01:17:37 AM »

should not lose track of this prime objective.

The prime objective is electing Hillary so she can appoint the 9th Supreme Court justice. THAT IS THE PRIME OBJECTIVE! THIS SINGLE JUSTICE WILL DEFINE A GENERATION PEOPLE! A GENERATION!

Bernie does better in the general election.
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« Reply #668 on: March 02, 2016, 01:20:59 AM »

should not lose track of this prime objective.

The prime objective is electing Hillary so she can appoint the 9th Supreme Court justice. THAT IS THE PRIME OBJECTIVE! THIS SINGLE JUSTICE WILL DEFINE A GENERATION PEOPLE! A GENERATION!

Bernie does better in the general election.

The person who is still leading even after being attacked for the last 30 years by the press, Republican Party, and the general public.
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« Reply #669 on: March 02, 2016, 01:21:10 AM »

Yup, people need to remember this isn't the electoral college. State wins don't mean very much, aside from optics. What really matters are the margins, and Hillary's margins in the South have effectively shut Bernie out of the nomination. There's just nowhere he can make it up, especially if he's splitting the delegates in states like IA and MA.

Yeah, I saw that graphic where someone did the math.  Sanders needs to win every non-Southern state by an average of seven points to make up for his landslide losses in the South.  While he can pull those margins in Upper New England and white liberal enclaves like MN and CO (and probably the PNW too) he won't be able to do that in the Midwest.  If he can't win Massachusetts, he's not going to win Ohio or Pennsylvania.
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« Reply #670 on: March 02, 2016, 01:22:38 AM »

Yup, people need to remember this isn't the electoral college. State wins don't mean very much, aside from optics. What really matters are the margins, and Hillary's margins in the South have effectively shut Bernie out of the nomination. There's just nowhere he can make it up, especially if he's splitting the delegates in states like IA and MA.

Yeah, I saw that graphic where someone did the math.  Sanders needs to win every non-Southern state by an average of seven points to make up for his landslide losses in the South.  While he can pull those margins in Upper New England and white liberal enclaves like MN and CO (and probably the PNW too) he won't be able to do that in the Midwest.  If he can't win Massachusetts, he's not going to win Ohio or Pennsylvania.

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« Reply #671 on: March 02, 2016, 01:28:30 AM »

The only county Hillary won in Colorado that isn't really low population is Pueblo.
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« Reply #672 on: March 02, 2016, 01:29:29 AM »

should not lose track of this prime objective.

The prime objective is electing Hillary so she can appoint the 9th Supreme Court justice. THAT IS THE PRIME OBJECTIVE! THIS SINGLE JUSTICE WILL DEFINE A GENERATION PEOPLE! A GENERATION!

Bernie does better in the general election.

The person who is still leading even after being attacked for the last 30 years by the press, Republican Party, and the general public.

The Obama administration's FBI is investing pay to play with the Clinton Foundation.
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« Reply #673 on: March 02, 2016, 01:31:18 AM »

should not lose track of this prime objective.

The prime objective is electing Hillary so she can appoint the 9th Supreme Court justice. THAT IS THE PRIME OBJECTIVE! THIS SINGLE JUSTICE WILL DEFINE A GENERATION PEOPLE! A GENERATION!

Bernie does better in the general election.

The person who is still leading even after being attacked for the last 30 years by the press, Republican Party, and the general public.

The Obama administration's FBI is investing pay to play with the Clinton Foundation.

Bernie bros gotta hate. F'n butthurt.
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« Reply #674 on: March 02, 2016, 01:32:16 AM »

should not lose track of this prime objective.

The prime objective is electing Hillary so she can appoint the 9th Supreme Court justice. THAT IS THE PRIME OBJECTIVE! THIS SINGLE JUSTICE WILL DEFINE A GENERATION PEOPLE! A GENERATION!

Bernie does better in the general election.

The person who is still leading even after being attacked for the last 30 years by the press, Republican Party, and the general public.

The Obama administration's FBI is investing pay to play with the Clinton Foundation.

Bernie bros gotta hate. F'n butthurt.

Hillary hacks ignore general election polls for no good reason.
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