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« Reply #500 on: December 15, 2009, 06:04:13 PM »

If you want my personal opinion, I think the article is objectively correct...but that's beside the point. It seems like almost every topic turns into back-and-forth bitching. I'm not going to accuse anyone of starting them, but I do have the impression that the Atlasian political climate has gotten a lot worse since this has started.

Make of that what you will.
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« Reply #501 on: December 15, 2009, 06:10:09 PM »

This is another case in which Marokai and I can agree on an issue. The question we now face is what to do about it. If some of these new members come and contribute something of merit to the game, then great, but if they are just here to spew the same talking points and bicker, then it's a wash. I haven't the time to argue with the ARC army, because all of there defenses have become tired and unoriginal. I will say that Einzign seems serious about the game, and actually has proposed some good ideas, so it's not a total loss. But the coalition in the ARC remains the same, and will probably only get bigger and more outspoken - so get ready.
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« Reply #502 on: December 15, 2009, 06:12:12 PM »

we are still having problems!! Shocked Shocked That is not good.
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« Reply #503 on: December 15, 2009, 06:16:10 PM »

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Telling it like it is. Angrily.


A deal with the devil.
December 15th, 2009


You knew it was coming. I just wish I got to another topic first.

In the last couple days, Xahar announced he was running for President with NiK as his running mate.


Yes, that NiK. The one who was Hamilton's man from day one when he tried to invade the Pacific region with zombies. But we've covered that before, no need to go back in time. This isn't a Blast From the Past article afterall, but it is essential to understand the full background of this event. And as such, knowing the curious and electorally savvy choice of NiK is important to keep in mind given his connection and his admirers.

Immediately, the ARC lined up behind him. Why would they do such a thing? The ARC would not support any random leftist, of course. Just take a look at their set of principles! Xahar is a leftist figure who has openly sympathized with and supported Socialist movements, erase his name and the circumstances from the run, and imagine any other traditional leftist, would the ARC support them? Hell no they wouldn't.

A few days ago, Bgwah, in a simple joke at the time, told Hamilton I was the JCP candidate for February. We were anxious for reactions, and so I let it go unchallenged. Within hours, though, who is the first person to contact me about me supposedly running for President? Xahar. News went straight from Hamilton to Xahar within hours on the day before and day of his decision to run. While Bgwah didn't achieve the plans he wanted to with the prank, we realized one thing from it, Xahar and Hamilton were in close contact.

Xahar/NiK is a ticket that reeks of backroom dealing, of cold calculation, of political convenience, reeks of Hamilton. And then this was said:

A good ticket which I hope I can convince the DA to support in February, if possible.

How.. disappointing. Of course, Hash later 'retracted' his support (after some great DA members rebelled from the decision and against Hash's attempted forcing of support) but what the hell? Why would Hash even come to that conclusion in the first place? Clearly, of course, he was involved before the announcement in some fashion, but why would you ally with that group?

The ARC is not officially on the ticket, but they are in all but name, they are in spirit. NiK being Hamilton's man, ARC support, in constant contact with Hamilton behind the scenes.. it is rather clear the spirit of the ARC surrounds every move of this ticket. And so, because of this, the ticket will inevitably rely on ARC support! That much is clear! And who does the ARC support consist of? Trolls, zombies, fools.

These are the voters that cast their vote for the ARC candidate in the Senate election:

(cutie_15, Hamilton, segwaystyle2012, Lahbas, Winston Disraeli, Mechaman, Einzige, Earth, azmagic, Dallasfan65, ajc0918, Libertas, Mint, jamespol, FallenMorgan, rebeltarian, phknrocket1k, Sam Spade, Elvis Republican, yoman82, General Mung Beans, PiT)

We can safely call segwaystyle2012, Lahbas, azmagic, Dallasfan65, ajc0918, rebeltarian, Elvis Republican, yoman82, and General Mung Beans zombies. I didn't even know who the hell some of these people were or that they were registered until they voted, for Christ's sake. That's nine voters that are conclusively zombies, let along the others that you could classify as close, such as Earth, phknrocket1k (who is a JCP zombie), or FallenMorgan who doesn't really participate much at all, but whatever, I'll give that libertarian the benefit of the doubt though.

What can be said though, is that out of 22 total votes for the ARC candidate, at least ten of them are zombies. Nearly HALF of the ARC candidate votes in the Senate elections were zombies! Other candidates aren't innocent, of course. Badger had a couple zombies, Fritz had one, Afleitch had one, Barnes had one or two. But none of these candidates relied so heavily that quite literally 50% of their total support came from them!

And this is what will be the machine behind Xahar/NiK. This is what Hashemite, noted anti-zombie crusader, wanted to ally with. If any of you are to support Xahar/NiK, keep in mind the whole time who supports them.

Quite simply, the ARC is a troll movement. No other movement like that in my entire time in Atlasia has been so open and blatant about the fact that they are a troll movement causing trouble "for the lulz" than the ARC. That's why it's stunning why so many normal people would even consider giving it the time of day.

Duke was right about one thing, even though I've criticized him plenty of times in the past Atlasia is simply full of stupid people and children. Kids who will warm up to anyone who says two nice words about them and forget all about the past. No one in Atlasia has more than a 48 hour memory, and it's frustrating beyond all belief.

Xahar/NiK is a ticket based on the idea of winning by any means necessary. It is a fake unity ticket, relying heavily on troll and zombie support. Xahar wants to win so much, Xahar wants power so much, that he made a deal with the devil to have a shot. I look forward to how the race shapes up, and I encourage the honorable DA members to continue to rebel against the ticket that epitomizes all that is wrong with Atlasian elections, and I hope Xahar shows some policies as time goes on so he doesn't look like someone who's completely power hungry. But at this point? I'm not encouraged.

And please, for the love of God, don't be sweet-talked.

Still whining about imaginary 'zombies' and 'trolls', Marokai?
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« Reply #504 on: December 15, 2009, 06:17:21 PM »

It's quite entertaining when Marokai pretends to have a persecution complex.
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« Reply #505 on: December 15, 2009, 06:18:19 PM »

If the trolls were imaginary, Mint wouldn't have 20+ votes. (No offense to Mint intended)
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« Reply #506 on: December 15, 2009, 06:18:59 PM »

If the trolls were imaginary, Mint wouldn't have 20+ votes. (No offense to Mint intended)
who are these supposed trolls.
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« Reply #507 on: December 15, 2009, 06:19:28 PM »

If the trolls were imaginary, Mint wouldn't have 20+ votes. (No offense to Mint intended)
who are these supposed trolls.

Me, apparently.
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« Reply #508 on: December 15, 2009, 06:19:32 PM »

It's quite entertaining when Marokai pretends to have a persecution complex.
He just can't accept the fact that the best candidate got the most votes.
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« Reply #509 on: December 15, 2009, 06:19:57 PM »

If the trolls were imaginary, Mint wouldn't have 20+ votes. (No offense to Mint intended)

Trolls?

You're badly misusing the term here.
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« Reply #510 on: December 15, 2009, 06:20:41 PM »

Then zombies. Whatever you like.
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« Reply #511 on: December 15, 2009, 06:21:15 PM »

If the trolls were imaginary, Mint wouldn't have 20+ votes. (No offense to Mint intended)
who are these supposed trolls.

Me, apparently.
you? really? well then everyone is a troll.
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« Reply #512 on: December 15, 2009, 06:23:40 PM »

This isn't meant as a slam but what have jokerman, Rob, Sensei, Mart, CultureKing, Ogre Mage, realisticidealist, BRTD, Boris, xavier110, or Eraserhead contributed in the last six months that ARC members haven't? I'm not seeing it.
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« Reply #513 on: December 15, 2009, 06:27:09 PM »

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If you can't spot a lot of zombies among these voters, you are delusional.

And no, I am not claiming everyone that voted for Mint is a zombie....so please don't single or two out and use that as an argument against blatant facts.



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Very few of those people (if any) were recruited for the sole purpose of dominating Atlasian elections. Many are even former officeholders.

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« Reply #514 on: December 15, 2009, 06:29:58 PM »

He said "in the last six months." And have they done anything? I think that your failure to provide an accomodating answer is evidence enough that you don't care about whatever zombies really are, you just want to see the ARC finished off. Well, good luck, because we aren't going anywhere.
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« Reply #515 on: December 15, 2009, 06:30:15 PM »

It's quite entertaining when Marokai pretends to have a persecution complex.
He just can't accept the fact that the best candidate got the most votes.

I got the most votes?
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« Reply #516 on: December 15, 2009, 06:32:13 PM »

He said "in the last six months." And have they done anything? I think that your failure to provide an accomodating answer is evidence enough that you don't care about whatever zombies really are, you just want to see the ARC finished off. Well, good luck, because we aren't going anywhere.

And you have recruited an army of zombies that don't have any interest in contributing to the game just to push up your vote totals.

Is it legal? Yes. (Or at least until we get a good HAEV to stop this madness.)
Does it lower the quality of the game? Hell yes.
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« Reply #517 on: December 15, 2009, 06:35:28 PM »

He said "in the last six months." And have they done anything? I think that your failure to provide an accomodating answer is evidence enough that you don't care about whatever zombies really are, you just want to see the ARC finished off. Well, good luck, because we aren't going anywhere.

And you have recruited an army of zombies that don't have any interest in contributing to the game just to push up your vote totals.

Is it legal? Yes. (Or at least until we get a good HAEV to stop this madness.)
Does it lower the quality of the game? Hell yes.

Once the ARC gets firmly established and no longer needs such voters - once a core cadre of them have established themselves and the rest have lost interest - you'll see that it not only enlivens the game, but it makes it fundamentally more interesting.
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« Reply #518 on: December 15, 2009, 06:37:49 PM »

He said "in the last six months." And have they done anything? I think that your failure to provide an accomodating answer is evidence enough that you don't care about whatever zombies really are, you just want to see the ARC finished off. Well, good luck, because we aren't going anywhere.

And you have recruited an army of zombies that don't have any interest in contributing to the game just to push up your vote totals.

Is it legal? Yes. (Or at least until we get a good HAEV to stop this madness.)
Does it lower the quality of the game? Hell yes.

You know this how? I was asked to join and encoruaged to run for office and participate.

I don't beleive you answered to the post I quoted about the other candidates' voters not contributing to the game. You are biased and trying to dodge a statement of fact. It's obvious.
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« Reply #519 on: December 15, 2009, 06:40:18 PM »

These posters HAVE contributed in the past. I see no indication that your people are going to start.

Tell me, when will azmagic and rebellibertarian (or whatever the person is called) participate in a policy discussion?
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« Reply #520 on: December 15, 2009, 06:41:48 PM »

These posters HAVE contributed in the past. I see no indication that your people are going to start.

Tell me, when will azmagic and rebellibertarian (or whatever the person is called) participate in a policy discussion?

Libertas? Mint? Myself? GaryJohnson2012?

Have patience. In a year's time you'll also be in the ARC.
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« Reply #521 on: December 15, 2009, 06:42:54 PM »

He said "in the last six months." And have they done anything? I think that your failure to provide an accomodating answer is evidence enough that you don't care about whatever zombies really are, you just want to see the ARC finished off. Well, good luck, because we aren't going anywhere.

And you have recruited an army of zombies that don't have any interest in contributing to the game just to push up your vote totals.

Is it legal? Yes. (Or at least until we get a good HAEV to stop this madness.)
Does it lower the quality of the game? Hell yes.

Once the ARC gets firmly established and no longer needs such voters - once a core cadre of them have established themselves and the rest have lost interest - you'll see that it not only enlivens the game, but it makes it fundamentally more interesting.

It's sad enough that you utilize zombies, but it's moreso to actually here you try to rationalize using zombie voters as a crucial part (50% of your voting force in last) of your "movement."

These posters HAVE contributed in the past. I see no indication that your people are going to start.

Tell me, when will azmagic and rebellibertarian (or whatever the person is called) participate in a policy discussion?

Libertas? Mint? Myself? GaryJohnson2012?

Have patience. In a year's time you'll also be in the ARC.

My God you are delusional.
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« Reply #522 on: December 15, 2009, 06:43:04 PM »

These posters HAVE contributed in the past. I see no indication that your people are going to start.

Tell me, when will azmagic and rebellibertarian (or whatever the person is called) participate in a policy discussion?

I don't know, but the past is not the present. At the present, they supposedly aren't participating (on both sides). Likewise, the past and present are not the future, which I can not predict.

You target the ARC but not the people you agree with. That is intellectual dishonesty.
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« Reply #523 on: December 15, 2009, 06:43:48 PM »

He said "in the last six months." And have they done anything? I think that your failure to provide an accomodating answer is evidence enough that you don't care about whatever zombies really are, you just want to see the ARC finished off. Well, good luck, because we aren't going anywhere.

And you have recruited an army of zombies that don't have any interest in contributing to the game just to push up your vote totals.

Is it legal? Yes. (Or at least until we get a good HAEV to stop this madness.)
Does it lower the quality of the game? Hell yes.

You know this how? I was asked to join and encoruaged to run for office and participate.

Exactly, same with me. When I was a member of the RPP, the only time I was ever contacted by them was when they needed my vote.

The first time I started to get involved in Atlasia, Marokai unleashed his vitriol and started bitching about how a few others along with myself were "zombies."

The ARC represents newness and change, and that scares the establishment hacks who are used to having a monopoly on power here.
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« Reply #524 on: December 15, 2009, 06:44:20 PM »

These posters HAVE contributed in the past. I see no indication that your people are going to start.

Tell me, when will azmagic and rebellibertarian (or whatever the person is called) participate in a policy discussion?

I don't know, but the past is not the present. At the present, they supposedly aren't participating (on both sides). Likewise, the past and present are not the future, which I can not predict.

You target the ARC but not the people you agree with. That is intellectual dishonesty.

The sad thing is, Franzl is precisely the sort of poster I had in mine when I co-founded this Party.
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