Israel-Gaza war

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If nuclear weapons are not so hard to make, then why don't you have any?

This question is so stupid that I am not even going to dignify it with an answer.

Dude, just be honest and admit that you want Hamas to murder all the (((Jews))).  No one who has even half a brain cell believes you’re not a rabid anti-Semite.  Then again, I suppose you did basically admit as much with your bizarre fantasizing about an imaginary Hamas victory.

Those are your words, not mine.

What I want is for the US to cut off aid to Israel.

What happens after that is no longer the US's problem.

Israel and Iran can blow each other up for all I care.

Press X to doubt

Since you are having a tough time reading between the lines, let me just tell you...

I am less concerned about Israel committing genocide.

I am more concerned about the US being complicit in Israel committing genocide.

If the US stops sending aid to Israel and covering its ass, then it's much harder to argue that the US is being complicit.

It's hard to claim moral authority around the world when one is being complicit in a genocide.

Luckily, Israel isn’t committing genocide, so no worries on that front.  

Even Joe Biden, a self-proclaimed Zionist, admitted that Israel is indiscriminately bombing Gaza.

1) Let’s say, just for discussion sake, that it were true that Israel was indiscriminately bombing Gaza with no concern whatsoever for military value of targets or lack thereof or potential civilian collateral and were doing this as a deliberate strategy (they’re not, but let’s say you are right and they are).  That would not be genocide in any way, shape, or form.  It would definitely be a brutal war crime, but it objectively would not be genocide.  That you seem to think it would be suggests you genuinely don’t understand what genocide is.  Yes, we all know you can Google the term and copy paste a definition, but you clearly don’t understand what it is or you’d have chosen an example of alleged conduct that…you know…would actually be genocide if Israel was doing it.

2) ROTFL.  I literally made that post as an experiment/test and boy did you flunk it.  I decided to make a lazy, one line drive by response with little-to-no thought put into it paired with a substantive, nuanced, detailed, and thoughtful response to your latest schtick and see what type of conversation you were actually looking to have in this thread.  Disappointingly, although unsurprisingly, you picked the one sentence section deliberately designed to be as devoid of substance as possible while not even acknowledging anything else in the post, much less actively engaging with it.  Really says a lot about what you’re looking to do here and none of it good.

Since you don't agree with the United Nations's definition of genocide, define "genocide" for me.

You’re only digging yourself into an even deeper hole.  Just put down the shovel and admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Israel is denying visas to UN employees.

Coincidence?

That would probably be because of the revelation that UNRWA employees were cooperating with Hamas and in one case were actually used to hold hostages.

Source?

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-775777

https://twitter.com/UNRWA/status/1730650140229201949

The accused denying their crimes is not evidence.

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If nuclear weapons are not so hard to make, then why don't you have any?

This question is so stupid that I am not even going to dignify it with an answer.

Dude, just be honest and admit that you want Hamas to murder all the (((Jews))).  No one who has even half a brain cell believes you’re not a rabid anti-Semite.  Then again, I suppose you did basically admit as much with your bizarre fantasizing about an imaginary Hamas victory.

Those are your words, not mine.

What I want is for the US to cut off aid to Israel.

What happens after that is no longer the US's problem.

Israel and Iran can blow each other up for all I care.

Press X to doubt

Since you are having a tough time reading between the lines, let me just tell you...

I am less concerned about Israel committing genocide.

I am more concerned about the US being complicit in Israel committing genocide.

If the US stops sending aid to Israel and covering its ass, then it's much harder to argue that the US is being complicit.

It's hard to claim moral authority around the world when one is being complicit in a genocide.

Luckily, Israel isn’t committing genocide, so no worries on that front.  

Even Joe Biden, a self-proclaimed Zionist, admitted that Israel is indiscriminately bombing Gaza.

1) Let’s say, just for discussion sake, that it were true that Israel was indiscriminately bombing Gaza with no concern whatsoever for military value of targets or lack thereof or potential civilian collateral and were doing this as a deliberate strategy (they’re not, but let’s say you are right and they are).  That would not be genocide in any way, shape, or form.  It would definitely be a brutal war crime, but it objectively would not be genocide.  That you seem to think it would be suggests you genuinely don’t understand what genocide is.  Yes, we all know you can Google the term and copy paste a definition, but you clearly don’t understand what it is or you’d have chosen an example of alleged conduct that…you know…would actually be genocide if Israel was doing it.

2) ROTFL.  I literally made that post as an experiment/test and boy did you flunk it.  I decided to make a lazy, one line drive by response with little-to-no thought put into it paired with a substantive, nuanced, detailed, and thoughtful response to your latest schtick and see what type of conversation you were actually looking to have in this thread.  Disappointingly, although unsurprisingly, you picked the one sentence section deliberately designed to be as devoid of substance as possible while not even acknowledging anything else in the post, much less actively engaging with it.  Really says a lot about what you’re looking to do here and none of it good.

Since you don't agree with the United Nations's definition of genocide, define "genocide" for me.

You’re only digging yourself into an even deeper hole.  Just put down the shovel and admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Israel is denying visas to UN employees.

Coincidence?

That would probably be because of the revelation that UNRWA employees were cooperating with Hamas and in one case were actually used to hold hostages.

Source?

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-775777

https://twitter.com/UNRWA/status/1730650140229201949

The accused denying their crimes is not evidence.

It's an accusation.

Unless verified, it's not a crime.

A hostage identifying their captor is absolutely evidence of a crime.

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https://twitter.com/VarrockianG/status/1739354408033337428

Anything else in this vile little collection of libelous tropes aside, my God. I'm convinced that the eliminationists want to force Israel to use its nukes simply so they can be proved right that the Jews will end the world.

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"neutralized".

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I've a question: will it be possible for the UN to revoke the UN Resolution 181 in the goal to cancel the state of Israel ?

Some twittos suggest it. They consider Israel as too evil to exist.

Anything can be said on social media, emotionally. But I doubt it can brin some viable solutions.

Like many other things, it's theoretically possible, but wildly unrealistic. This would be a security council resolution, so it would require the US, UK, and France to all be led by either far-right or far-left leadership.

And the next step after that would likely be either nothing or nuclear war, rather than an orderly dissolution of Israel. The UN has few enforcement powers.

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https://twitter.com/samah_fadil/status/1740879555626246171?t=5Ej8IhbPbPR1qxQxuYI...

Israel is an incredibly racist society, despite the PR. Polls have shown over 50% of Israelis think Black Jews are a negative for their country.

I wonder if this soldier's family believe in 'from the river to the sea'

I don't know if this source can be trusted in any way, but most black soldiers in the IDF are black Jews and would be likely to be fiercely patriotic.

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Is it me or is Israel’s actual on the ground progress kinda lackluster considering how long and the amount they have been bombarding Gaza?

Honestly, not really - close-quarters urban combat is a nightmare, as both sides can testify from Russia/Ukraine. Israel's ground invasion has been fairly cautious, and it's paid off in relatively modest losses of soldiers compared to what a war like this usually looks like. Thus, they're making slower but consistent progress - they're certainly not being pushed back anywhere, and they already occupy around half the strip. There's also the issue that successfully occupying the strip won't end the conflict due to Hamas' guerilla tactics, so I think they might be less concerned about land gains than about methodically eliminating the threat in the areas they already possess.

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Imagine being so pro Likud that Tim Kaine has to call you out.

https://twitter.com/GuardianUS/status/1741212099618152918

If being pro-Israel automatically means you’re pro-Likud, does being pro-Palestinian automatically mean you’re pro-Hamas?  I disagree on both counts, but if we follow your line of reasoning, then the latter would seem to logically follow.

Tim Kaine is one of the most moderate Dems in the Senate and like Mark Warner is heavy on NatSec. Don't you think it's rather alarming that someone that milquetoast and establishment is calling out Biden? You seem to be ignoring the heart of the matter, trying to distract from how radical Biden is here by focusing on how jfern phrased his post.

Biden has the legal right to transfer arms to our ally, has the moral obligation to do so, and has the strategic obligation to do so to ensure Israel isn't forced to resort to more desperate tactics, so no, I don't really care what a has-been has to say. Kaine also hasn't been notably moderate for a while, compared to Warner, and he's known to have a son who's a radical.

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Still trying to figure out why New York Muslims tear down posters of kidnapped Israeli women and children.

Man Spits at Photographer

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1sp8SVLZP7/

It is the worst possible look for the Islamic community. It's just a rotten act performed by rotten minds.

They are either in denial that the kidnappings occurred or are sympathetic with Hamas.

Either way, It's gone global on the news and they look complicit with the vile actions committed on October 7.

In 1943-45, if people posted pictures from Auschwitz of the gas chambers, German citizens would not tear down the posters in New York.

The only part that pleases me is the average Americans' reaction to these nutcases and the subsequent cessation of their employment and education opportunities.

Why are the posters in the United States?

Did someone expect these people to turn up in the United States?

Are you volunteering to put them up in Gaza?

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Still trying to figure out why New York Muslims tear down posters of kidnapped Israeli women and children.

Man Spits at Photographer

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1sp8SVLZP7/

It is the worst possible look for the Islamic community. It's just a rotten act performed by rotten minds.

They are either in denial that the kidnappings occurred or are sympathetic with Hamas.

Either way, It's gone global on the news and they look complicit with the vile actions committed on October 7.

In 1943-45, if people posted pictures from Auschwitz of the gas chambers, German citizens would not tear down the posters in New York.

The only part that pleases me is the average Americans' reaction to these nutcases and the subsequent cessation of their employment and education opportunities.

Why are the posters in the United States?

Did someone expect these people to turn up in the United States?

Are you volunteering to put them up in Gaza?

You first.

I'm fine with where they are, and I'm looking forward to accountability for the vile antisemites tearing them down.

BTW, Meclazine, it's not only or even primarily Muslims doing it. This seems to be organized within colleges and reflects radicalization more than anything.

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Some people in the West are just stuck inside XX Century concepts of their nations and don’t realize new generations have a completely different background.

Jewish people were racially persecuted inside the West when these countries were all massively White dominated, with white western supremacists seeing Jews as the “Lesser White” ethnicity in their countries.

Nowadays the context is completely different, with Arab and Muslim immigrants receiving the short end of the stick by far and the US soon becoming a non-white and non-western majority country due to increase of American Latino immigration.

The Western world as it existed simply doesn’t anymore, globalization transformed it into something entirely new. And Jewish people are indeed holders of white privilege in this context in the same way WASPs have always been in places like the USA.

For WHITE people I understand why they might see Jews under the lenses of white guilt because of the racially motivated massacre and genocide they as whites committed against them in first half of XX Century. However if you put yourself in the shoes of anyone who is NOT white, from their perspective the social difference between Jewish people and the average White person in the West is basically non-existent.

Dude, you're South American. A significant fraction of your ancestors are the people who tortured, murdered and expelled Jews from the Iberian peninsula. Now you want to play the victim as some ****ed up way to legitimise hatred toward Jews again?

Why are you judging people by the possible actions of their ancestors over 500 years ago?

Pointing out a tankie's hypocrisy is not judging them by their ancestors' actions.

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Some people in the West are just stuck inside XX Century concepts of their nations and don’t realize new generations have a completely different background.

Jewish people were racially persecuted inside the West when these countries were all massively White dominated, with white western supremacists seeing Jews as the “Lesser White” ethnicity in their countries.

Nowadays the context is completely different, with Arab and Muslim immigrants receiving the short end of the stick by far and the US soon becoming a non-white and non-western majority country due to increase of American Latino immigration.

The Western world as it existed simply doesn’t anymore, globalization transformed it into something entirely new. And Jewish people are indeed holders of white privilege in this context in the same way WASPs have always been in places like the USA.

For WHITE people I understand why they might see Jews under the lenses of white guilt because of the racially motivated massacre and genocide they as whites committed against them in first half of XX Century. However if you put yourself in the shoes of anyone who is NOT white, from their perspective the social difference between Jewish people and the average White person in the West is basically non-existent.

White supremacists don’t see Jews as “lesser white” people, they don’t see us as white at all. In fact, they see us the way much of the left views white people- as the root of all evil.

It’s true that many nonwhites in America view Jews as simply another flavor of white people and lack “Holocaust guilt” that many whites have, but anti-Semitism among nonwhites is MUCH more common than among white people. Look at any poll on anti-Semitism is rare among whites but fairly common among blacks and Latinos. And among Arabs and Muslims it is very common and goes way beyond just anti-Israel attitudes.

Bigotry against Jews is not uncommon in the Arab community and vice versa. It's far from universal in either case but it's common enough for the overall situation to deserve special care.

You’re acting like the two are equivalent. All over the West, Jews get beat up and spit on by Muslims and Arabs. The reverse simply does not occur. If Jews are “bigoted” against Arabs (most are not) it would be because of their high likelihood of being anti-Semites.

I'm not the biggest fan of "oppression olympics" or broad claims of bigotry on a vast scale, but when some Arab Christian women are gunned down in a church in Gaza by the Israeli military and multiple mosques in Gaza get blown up or otherwise destroyed, and when the West stood by as its private investor cash helped fund the removing of West Bank Arabs of their wealth for the advancing of a settler project that stood directly against local Arabs (all while the far poorer Palestinians can't get Western aid to defend themselves from freaking pogroms), there's reason to believe that fixating on Arab anti-Semitism and holding them to a test that we ourselves would very easily fail if we were put in their place, is not just not constructive, but misses the point and how power has shifted since the 1920s and 1930s, when it was Arab willingness to use violence against them that was, on net, the bigger problem.
Israel is an mini-imperial power, and while Arabs are far from completely blameless here, Smotrich and Ben Gvir and radical Zionism are in fact the biggest potential boosters of future anti-Semitism. How do you think Arabs feel when they see Israeli government officials playing around and defiling the Dome of the Rock?

What on Earth does the Israeli-Palestinian conflict have to do with Jews getting beaten up and spit on in the West? Muslims getting triggered at Israeli official “allowing” a few Jews to pray at the holiest site in Judaism is justification to beat up Jews? And how does Israel having the upper hand vis-a-vis the Palestinians over the last few decades mean the “power has shifted” between Jews and Arabs in the West? Explain how that works.

Reality is: even the most pro-Israel, anti-Arab Jews in the West DO NOT beat up or attack Muslims and Arabs. It just doesn’t happen. The reverse happens all the time.

Didn't a kid get stabbed by his landlord a while back for being Muslim?

He wasn't Jewish. He was just racist.

Islamists in this country love saying that everyone who attacks them is Jewish, when that isn't true. The vast majority of anti-Muslim hate crimes in the US are done by random Americans.

Yeah, both the murderer of the boy in Chicago and the attempted murderer of the three Palestinian college students in Vermont were known far-right conspiracy theorists. While it was possible they were motivated by October 7th, it seems likely both were driven by general anti-Muslim animus/paranoia rather than solidarity with Jews. The narrative that Israel caused the attacks was based in the conspiracy that Israel was exaggerating/lying about 10/7.

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The narrative that Israel caused the attacks was based in the conspiracy that Israel was exaggerating/lying about 10/7.

I've seen claims online that most of the civilian casualties at the music festival were caused by Israeli helicopters. That's nonsensical, because to kill that many people, you need a lot of bullets - enough for several helicopters. Too many people would have been involved to keep that a secret.

Yep. Also, Hamas filmed a huge percentage of the murders and gleefully posted them online!

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And the Palestinians are hardly unique in not giving up their struggle for self-determination. How many people under colonial rule - because this is what Israel's rule in Palestine amounts to in practice - have given up the struggle for independence? So while one can certainly deplore Palestinian terrorism, it's preposterous to claim the Palestinians are somehow sick for not giving up their desire for self-determination.

Palestinians don’t have to give up their struggle for independence, they need to accept that they lost in 1948 and that they will not get that land back ever. If Palestinians limited their terrorism to West Bank settlers and soldiers only with the clear demand that “terrorism will only stop when you leave the West Bank” that would be one thing. But the Palestinian demand is that Israel stops existing. They need to accept that they lost in 1948 and this will not be corrected in any way. Imagine if the Algerians demanded not just that the French leave Algeria but that they also leave France. That is what Palestinians demand, and they use terrorism to pursue this fundamentally impossible goal.

Palestinians should be given Israeli citizenship as part of the amended Law of Return.

The whole point of Israel having a Jewish majority is so the country is a safe haven for Jews. If you let Palestinians become the majority, they will slaughter millions of Jews if Hamas’ behavior is any example so far. Now I know you don’t really care about what happens but a lot of people do.

The Israeli solution to this has been to institute an apartheid system inside the West Bank. Amazing how most Biden supporters on here seem to brush that aside.

The Gantz policy on the West Bank will likely be very different than the Netanyahu policy. The Gaza policy will not be, as the obliteration of Hamas is no longer a topic anyone to the right of Meretz will ever compromise on.

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And the Palestinians are hardly unique in not giving up their struggle for self-determination. How many people under colonial rule - because this is what Israel's rule in Palestine amounts to in practice - have given up the struggle for independence? So while one can certainly deplore Palestinian terrorism, it's preposterous to claim the Palestinians are somehow sick for not giving up their desire for self-determination.

Palestinians don’t have to give up their struggle for independence, they need to accept that they lost in 1948 and that they will not get that land back ever. If Palestinians limited their terrorism to West Bank settlers and soldiers only with the clear demand that “terrorism will only stop when you leave the West Bank” that would be one thing. But the Palestinian demand is that Israel stops existing. They need to accept that they lost in 1948 and this will not be corrected in any way. Imagine if the Algerians demanded not just that the French leave Algeria but that they also leave France. That is what Palestinians demand, and they use terrorism to pursue this fundamentally impossible goal.

Palestinians should be given Israeli citizenship as part of the amended Law of Return.

The whole point of Israel having a Jewish majority is so the country is a safe haven for Jews. If you let Palestinians become the majority, they will slaughter millions of Jews if Hamas’ behavior is any example so far. Now I know you don’t really care about what happens but a lot of people do.

Nakba is Israel's original sin.

It's time for Israel to atone by taking back the Palestinians.

If the Jewish "majority" is so afraid that the Palestinians would do to them what they are doing to the Palestinians right now, they should establish the rights of minorities right now in case they are ever in the minority.

We have nothing to atone for, and when it comes to who owes who what, your ledger with us will never be balanced and every pogrom brings Israel closer and closer to a government who may decide to call in that debt.

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And the Palestinians are hardly unique in not giving up their struggle for self-determination. How many people under colonial rule - because this is what Israel's rule in Palestine amounts to in practice - have given up the struggle for independence? So while one can certainly deplore Palestinian terrorism, it's preposterous to claim the Palestinians are somehow sick for not giving up their desire for self-determination.

Palestinians don’t have to give up their struggle for independence, they need to accept that they lost in 1948 and that they will not get that land back ever. If Palestinians limited their terrorism to West Bank settlers and soldiers only with the clear demand that “terrorism will only stop when you leave the West Bank” that would be one thing. But the Palestinian demand is that Israel stops existing. They need to accept that they lost in 1948 and this will not be corrected in any way. Imagine if the Algerians demanded not just that the French leave Algeria but that they also leave France. That is what Palestinians demand, and they use terrorism to pursue this fundamentally impossible goal.

Palestinians should be given Israeli citizenship as part of the amended Law of Return.

The whole point of Israel having a Jewish majority is so the country is a safe haven for Jews. If you let Palestinians become the majority, they will slaughter millions of Jews if Hamas’ behavior is any example so far. Now I know you don’t really care about what happens but a lot of people do.

Nakba is Israel's original sin.

It's time for Israel to atone by taking back the Palestinians.

If the Jewish "majority" is so afraid that the Palestinians would do to them what they are doing to the Palestinians right now, they should establish the rights of minorities right now in case they are ever in the minority.

We have nothing to atone for, and when it comes to who owes who what, your ledger with us will never be balanced and every pogrom brings Israel closer and closer to a government who may decide to call in that debt.

Then Israel will always be an apartheid state and other countries should treat it as such.

The lot of you always wanted us dead and none of us believe you anymore when you pretend that we can somehow change that.

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And the Palestinians are hardly unique in not giving up their struggle for self-determination. How many people under colonial rule - because this is what Israel's rule in Palestine amounts to in practice - have given up the struggle for independence? So while one can certainly deplore Palestinian terrorism, it's preposterous to claim the Palestinians are somehow sick for not giving up their desire for self-determination.

Palestinians don’t have to give up their struggle for independence, they need to accept that they lost in 1948 and that they will not get that land back ever. If Palestinians limited their terrorism to West Bank settlers and soldiers only with the clear demand that “terrorism will only stop when you leave the West Bank” that would be one thing. But the Palestinian demand is that Israel stops existing. They need to accept that they lost in 1948 and this will not be corrected in any way. Imagine if the Algerians demanded not just that the French leave Algeria but that they also leave France. That is what Palestinians demand, and they use terrorism to pursue this fundamentally impossible goal.

Palestinians should be given Israeli citizenship as part of the amended Law of Return.

The whole point of Israel having a Jewish majority is so the country is a safe haven for Jews. If you let Palestinians become the majority, they will slaughter millions of Jews if Hamas’ behavior is any example so far. Now I know you don’t really care about what happens but a lot of people do.

Nakba is Israel's original sin.

It's time for Israel to atone by taking back the Palestinians.

If the Jewish "majority" is so afraid that the Palestinians would do to them what they are doing to the Palestinians right now, they should establish the rights of minorities right now in case they are ever in the minority.

We have nothing to atone for, and when it comes to who owes who what, your ledger with us will never be balanced and every pogrom brings Israel closer and closer to a government who may decide to call in that debt.

Who is we? Aren't you American?

Clearly, his allegiance lies elsewhere.

I mean, I'm not  going to assume that. I'd like to hear from Ray.

If there's one thing that the last three months have made clear, it's that our enemies will make no distinction when the time comes. When Israel fights back, they'll take the fight to diaspora Jews because they're soft targets.

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And the Palestinians are hardly unique in not giving up their struggle for self-determination. How many people under colonial rule - because this is what Israel's rule in Palestine amounts to in practice - have given up the struggle for independence? So while one can certainly deplore Palestinian terrorism, it's preposterous to claim the Palestinians are somehow sick for not giving up their desire for self-determination.

Palestinians don’t have to give up their struggle for independence, they need to accept that they lost in 1948 and that they will not get that land back ever. If Palestinians limited their terrorism to West Bank settlers and soldiers only with the clear demand that “terrorism will only stop when you leave the West Bank” that would be one thing. But the Palestinian demand is that Israel stops existing. They need to accept that they lost in 1948 and this will not be corrected in any way. Imagine if the Algerians demanded not just that the French leave Algeria but that they also leave France. That is what Palestinians demand, and they use terrorism to pursue this fundamentally impossible goal.

Palestinians should be given Israeli citizenship as part of the amended Law of Return.

The whole point of Israel having a Jewish majority is so the country is a safe haven for Jews. If you let Palestinians become the majority, they will slaughter millions of Jews if Hamas’ behavior is any example so far. Now I know you don’t really care about what happens but a lot of people do.

Nakba is Israel's original sin.

It's time for Israel to atone by taking back the Palestinians.

If the Jewish "majority" is so afraid that the Palestinians would do to them what they are doing to the Palestinians right now, they should establish the rights of minorities right now in case they are ever in the minority.

We have nothing to atone for, and when it comes to who owes who what, your ledger with us will never be balanced and every pogrom brings Israel closer and closer to a government who may decide to call in that debt.

Who is we? Aren't you American?

Clearly, his allegiance lies elsewhere.

I mean, I'm not  going to assume that. I'd like to hear from Ray.

If there's one thing that the last three months have made clear, it's that our enemies will make no distinction when the time comes. When Israel fights back, they'll take the fight to diaspora Jews because they're soft targets.

Who are "they"?

Antisemites like Hamas, Iran, and their amen corner in the west terrorizing Jews and attempting to disrupt commerce and transit.

Once again, the best thing Biden could do for his election prospects is to find a group of these attackers who broke federal law and make an example of them. The JFK attackers who attempted to disrupt the airspace will do nicely.

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And the Palestinians are hardly unique in not giving up their struggle for self-determination. How many people under colonial rule - because this is what Israel's rule in Palestine amounts to in practice - have given up the struggle for independence? So while one can certainly deplore Palestinian terrorism, it's preposterous to claim the Palestinians are somehow sick for not giving up their desire for self-determination.

Palestinians don’t have to give up their struggle for independence, they need to accept that they lost in 1948 and that they will not get that land back ever. If Palestinians limited their terrorism to West Bank settlers and soldiers only with the clear demand that “terrorism will only stop when you leave the West Bank” that would be one thing. But the Palestinian demand is that Israel stops existing. They need to accept that they lost in 1948 and this will not be corrected in any way. Imagine if the Algerians demanded not just that the French leave Algeria but that they also leave France. That is what Palestinians demand, and they use terrorism to pursue this fundamentally impossible goal.

Palestinians should be given Israeli citizenship as part of the amended Law of Return.

The whole point of Israel having a Jewish majority is so the country is a safe haven for Jews. If you let Palestinians become the majority, they will slaughter millions of Jews if Hamas’ behavior is any example so far. Now I know you don’t really care about what happens but a lot of people do.

Nakba is Israel's original sin.

It's time for Israel to atone by taking back the Palestinians.

If the Jewish "majority" is so afraid that the Palestinians would do to them what they are doing to the Palestinians right now, they should establish the rights of minorities right now in case they are ever in the minority.

We have nothing to atone for, and when it comes to who owes who what, your ledger with us will never be balanced and every pogrom brings Israel closer and closer to a government who may decide to call in that debt.

Who is we? Aren't you American?

Clearly, his allegiance lies elsewhere.

I mean, I'm not  going to assume that. I'd like to hear from Ray.

If there's one thing that the last three months have made clear, it's that our enemies will make no distinction when the time comes. When Israel fights back, they'll take the fight to diaspora Jews because they're soft targets.

Pretty much everyone outside of the far right makes and knows the distinction.

Just very odd phrasing. I'm a strong supporter of Ukraine and know how important it is to hurt Russia as much as possible, but I'd never use "we" to refer to Ukraine's military actions. Says a lot about which country you would prioritize if relations were to ever break down between the US and Israel. And one day, maybe sooner than you think, that will happen.

Man, you don't think I've had an escape plan in my mind as soon as I was aware of geopolitics? Every diaspora Jew is a loyal citizen of their country as long as they're allowed to be, and you might be surprised by how quickly things can go downhill on that front.

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And the Palestinians are hardly unique in not giving up their struggle for self-determination. How many people under colonial rule - because this is what Israel's rule in Palestine amounts to in practice - have given up the struggle for independence? So while one can certainly deplore Palestinian terrorism, it's preposterous to claim the Palestinians are somehow sick for not giving up their desire for self-determination.

Palestinians don’t have to give up their struggle for independence, they need to accept that they lost in 1948 and that they will not get that land back ever. If Palestinians limited their terrorism to West Bank settlers and soldiers only with the clear demand that “terrorism will only stop when you leave the West Bank” that would be one thing. But the Palestinian demand is that Israel stops existing. They need to accept that they lost in 1948 and this will not be corrected in any way. Imagine if the Algerians demanded not just that the French leave Algeria but that they also leave France. That is what Palestinians demand, and they use terrorism to pursue this fundamentally impossible goal.

Palestinians should be given Israeli citizenship as part of the amended Law of Return.

The whole point of Israel having a Jewish majority is so the country is a safe haven for Jews. If you let Palestinians become the majority, they will slaughter millions of Jews if Hamas’ behavior is any example so far. Now I know you don’t really care about what happens but a lot of people do.

Nakba is Israel's original sin.

It's time for Israel to atone by taking back the Palestinians.

If the Jewish "majority" is so afraid that the Palestinians would do to them what they are doing to the Palestinians right now, they should establish the rights of minorities right now in case they are ever in the minority.

We have nothing to atone for, and when it comes to who owes who what, your ledger with us will never be balanced and every pogrom brings Israel closer and closer to a government who may decide to call in that debt.

Who is we? Aren't you American?

Clearly, his allegiance lies elsewhere.

I mean, I'm not  going to assume that. I'd like to hear from Ray.

If there's one thing that the last three months have made clear, it's that our enemies will make no distinction when the time comes. When Israel fights back, they'll take the fight to diaspora Jews because they're soft targets.

Pretty much everyone outside of the far right makes and knows the distinction.

Just very odd phrasing. I'm a strong supporter of Ukraine and know how important it is to hurt Russia as much as possible, but I'd never use "we" to refer to Ukraine's military actions. Says a lot about which country you would prioritize if relations were to ever break down between the US and Israel. And one day, maybe sooner than you think, that will happen.

Man, you don't think I've had an escape plan in my mind as soon as I was aware of geopolitics? Every diaspora Jew is a loyal citizen of their country as long as they're allowed to be, and you might be surprised by how quickly things can go downhill on that front.

I don't see why you'd need an escape plan unless you think the country will be run by Groypers at some point in the future which is laughably unlikely. Most are pathetic neckbeards.

America is safer for Jews than Israel and I see no sign of that changing.

What he is saying is that should the United States ever require his service during the darkest of hours, he'll escape to Israel instead.

Yeah, I think everyone here can see you're a Nazi by now.

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And the Palestinians are hardly unique in not giving up their struggle for self-determination. How many people under colonial rule - because this is what Israel's rule in Palestine amounts to in practice - have given up the struggle for independence? So while one can certainly deplore Palestinian terrorism, it's preposterous to claim the Palestinians are somehow sick for not giving up their desire for self-determination.

Palestinians don’t have to give up their struggle for independence, they need to accept that they lost in 1948 and that they will not get that land back ever. If Palestinians limited their terrorism to West Bank settlers and soldiers only with the clear demand that “terrorism will only stop when you leave the West Bank” that would be one thing. But the Palestinian demand is that Israel stops existing. They need to accept that they lost in 1948 and this will not be corrected in any way. Imagine if the Algerians demanded not just that the French leave Algeria but that they also leave France. That is what Palestinians demand, and they use terrorism to pursue this fundamentally impossible goal.

Palestinians should be given Israeli citizenship as part of the amended Law of Return.

The whole point of Israel having a Jewish majority is so the country is a safe haven for Jews. If you let Palestinians become the majority, they will slaughter millions of Jews if Hamas’ behavior is any example so far. Now I know you don’t really care about what happens but a lot of people do.

Nakba is Israel's original sin.

It's time for Israel to atone by taking back the Palestinians.

If the Jewish "majority" is so afraid that the Palestinians would do to them what they are doing to the Palestinians right now, they should establish the rights of minorities right now in case they are ever in the minority.

We have nothing to atone for, and when it comes to who owes who what, your ledger with us will never be balanced and every pogrom brings Israel closer and closer to a government who may decide to call in that debt.

Who is we? Aren't you American?

Clearly, his allegiance lies elsewhere.

I mean, I'm not  going to assume that. I'd like to hear from Ray.

If there's one thing that the last three months have made clear, it's that our enemies will make no distinction when the time comes. When Israel fights back, they'll take the fight to diaspora Jews because they're soft targets.

Pretty much everyone outside of the far right makes and knows the distinction.

Just very odd phrasing. I'm a strong supporter of Ukraine and know how important it is to hurt Russia as much as possible, but I'd never use "we" to refer to Ukraine's military actions. Says a lot about which country you would prioritize if relations were to ever break down between the US and Israel. And one day, maybe sooner than you think, that will happen.

Man, you don't think I've had an escape plan in my mind as soon as I was aware of geopolitics? Every diaspora Jew is a loyal citizen of their country as long as they're allowed to be, and you might be surprised by how quickly things can go downhill on that front.

I don't see why you'd need an escape plan unless you think the country will be run by Groypers at some point in the future which is laughably unlikely. Most are pathetic neckbeards.

America is safer for Jews than Israel and I see no sign of that changing.

What he is saying is that should the United States ever require his service during the darkest of hours, he'll escape to Israel instead.

Dude, just admit that you want to see the entire Jewish community butchered like hogs.  It’s not like it isn’t already obvious that you’re only here to cheer the murder of Jewish civilians by genocidal terrorists.

Don't put words in my mouth.

Ray seems to forget the "American" part of "Jewish American".

He should be "American" first and "Jewish" second.

No one has to put words in your mouth. You're dropping Nazi dogwhistles left and right.

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It’s still shocking to me that so many “progressives” like pppolitics watched 1000+ innocent Israelis get raped, tortured, murdered, and kidnapped on 10/7 and responded by becoming literal neo-Nazis. Now he is accosting Jews and demanding that they make loyalty oaths. Sick in the head.

Yep. This is what they always were, only a few people could see it or wanted to believe it, and we're all very lucky that they never got the power they were seeking. And fully mask off, they never will.

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I won't be responding anymore to the vile blood libels and dehumanization posted in this thread by that one poster. Instead, I'll simply be reporting every single one of that poster's offensive posts.

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Thank you President Biden for bringing Bibi to heel.
https://twitter.com/israelipm/status/1745186120109846710?s=46&t=o2RmfeV6yYJk...

Does anyone actually believe this?

His emergency wartime coalition probably wouldn't go along with a reoccupation of Gaza, and his attempt to push things through with a thin far-right coalition didn't go well for him previously.

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Will be interesting to see which Dems have a conscious.

I'm guessing around 45+ of them, minus Bernie, Warren, Markey, and a few strays!