Israel-Gaza war

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God forbid that anyone express sympathy for women living in a war zone who are being targeted for abduction, rape, and who knows what else on account of their sex. WTF.

Who tf criticized people "expressing sympathy"?

I just don't understand why women are more worthy of rescue than men.. Especially since many of these women are likely former soldiers. The number one focus should be rescuing the children.

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Also I'd bet top dollar some of the men are being SAed as well, but that doesn't stir the same rage in people. Smh

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Also I'd bet top dollar some of the men are being SAed as well, but that doesn't stir the same rage in people. Smh

I doubt it about grown men (and I'd honestly be surprised if many of the men are still alive) but boys, absolutely. Because there is no level to which Hamas won't sink.

There is a LOT of situational homosexuality in these cultures so I'm not sure. Maybe you're right, but it doesn't change my view that a man's life is just as valuable as a woman's.

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If 300 Israelis people are dead (the number is actually higher) that is 3 9/11s. Imagine if 9/11 wasn't just a plane attack though, but an invasion that also resulted in at least 1500 hostages and Americans being raped and murdered, including children, in their own homes. Can anyone who does not simply want the Israelis to give up and die tell me with a straight face that in that analogy America/Israel should just sit back and drop a couple of bombs and treat it like any other terrorist attack? If not, then what should Israel do? Should it occupy the equivalent of 80 million people forever, losing more of its own lives in the process to police people who think it not only okay but morally good to molest Israelis in the street?

If Israel can't exist without ethnically cleansing two million people, it doesn't deserve to exist. And I hope that if they actually go through with doing so, the US government grows some conscience and imposes crippling sanctions on them until they collapse utterly.

Israel could turn Gaza into a parking lot and we would still fund them. Maybe 20 Dems + Massie would vote no instead of 10, otherwise no change.

Tbh I think Israel would have to launch an unwarranted nuke to lose our money, and even then I'm not sure.

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Israel is specifically telling people where to go to avoid bombings.

Citation needed, because I only see calls to leave one's building or Gaza entirely (from Netanyahu).

False. There are maps asking the residents of perimeter neighbourhoods to move to the inner city.

I'm still waiting for a source.

Funny, I've been waiting for a source for months on who's putting pressure on Biden to pardon Trump.

The brain-dead recommends on this post, after I was castigated for being ‘off-topic’ by multiple Israeli apologists is insane.

I just thought it was funny, idk what you were criticized for but we generally agree on this stuff so you were probably right.

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Also I'd bet top dollar some of the men are being SAed as well, but that doesn't stir the same rage in people. Smh

I doubt it about grown men (and I'd honestly be surprised if many of the men are still alive) but boys, absolutely. Because there is no level to which Hamas won't sink.

There is a LOT of situational homosexuality in these cultures so I'm not sure. Maybe you're right, but it doesn't change my view that a man's life is just as valuable as a woman's.

The life of a man and the life of a woman are equally valuable on an inherent level, but that doesn’t mean that they’re facing the same risks in a situation like this. When women are prisoners of war, it’s because their captors have something very specific in mind for them.

And like I already said, I would not be at all surprised if the men were also facing sexual assault due to the high levels of situational homosexuality in some cultures.

If you are prioritizing rescuing women over men, you do not view their lives as equally valuable.

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Orientalist nonsense once more

Hetero Men care more for women than other men they view as competitors, this is pretty consistent among patriarchal society. Hamas captors are just bargaining chips.

You know how many people, especially straights, go on Grindr just go for young twinks. You know how many go for crossdressers. Look at your own culture.

If you are into twinks you are not straight.

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...and why should it be the Palestinians, not the Israelis, who are forcefully deported?

The Palestinians were there before Israel was even a country.

He's calling for ethnic cleansing. You're responding with your own call for ethnic cleansing,  just against the group you find to be worse. There doesn't seem much point in engaging with someone like you, but your question has an easy answer.

Israel has given the world more reason to care.

Part of that is that Israel has better technology and a bigger economy, which means its loss would directly impact other nations more.

Part of that is that Israel shares intelligence with other countries, helping them stop terror attacks to increase goodwill and reliance.

The biggest part is that Israel is a nuclear power. If the Arab world was ever about to destroy them or someone like you had the power to ethnically cleanse them, they could kill tens or hundreds of millions of people.

The Palestinians have nothing remotely equivalent to offer the rest of the world.

They don't have an economic good like Taiwan's semiconductor industry. They're broke.

They don't have cultural similarities that could engender greater sympathy in the West. In fact, they're perceived as Muslim extremists, a group with whom the West has a strong mutual disdain.

It should be no one. But if it's someone, it would be them because they're SOL.

...and why should it be the Palestinians, not the Israelis, who are forcefully deported?

The Palestinians were there before Israel was even a concept.

I oppose the mass expulsion of Arabs from Gaza (shocking that this even needs to be said), but this is a very bad argument. One could just as well say that the Israelis were there before Palestine was even a concept.

The correct answer is that forceful deportations are not a valid way of solving the problem, not that the Jews are the ones who "deserve" to be deported.

Greater post than my rambling.

Are you saying that one group of people has more value than others?

That appears to be exactly what he is saying, yes. Israelis have cool tech so they deserve to live more.

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...and why should it be the Palestinians, not the Israelis, who are forcefully deported?

The Palestinians were there before Israel was even a country.

He's calling for ethnic cleansing. You're responding with your own call for ethnic cleansing,  just against the group you find to be worse. There doesn't seem much point in engaging with someone like you, but your question has an easy answer.

Israel has given the world more reason to care.

Part of that is that Israel has better technology and a bigger economy, which means its loss would directly impact other nations more.

Part of that is that Israel shares intelligence with other countries, helping them stop terror attacks to increase goodwill and reliance.

The biggest part is that Israel is a nuclear power. If the Arab world was ever about to destroy them or someone like you had the power to ethnically cleanse them, they could kill tens or hundreds of millions of people.

The Palestinians have nothing remotely equivalent to offer the rest of the world.

They don't have an economic good like Taiwan's semiconductor industry. They're broke.

They don't have cultural similarities that could engender greater sympathy in the West. In fact, they're perceived as Muslim extremists, a group with whom the West has a strong mutual disdain.

It should be no one. But if it's someone, it would be them because they're SOL.

...and why should it be the Palestinians, not the Israelis, who are forcefully deported?

The Palestinians were there before Israel was even a concept.

I oppose the mass expulsion of Arabs from Gaza (shocking that this even needs to be said), but this is a very bad argument. One could just as well say that the Israelis were there before Palestine was even a concept.

The correct answer is that forceful deportations are not a valid way of solving the problem, not that the Jews are the ones who "deserve" to be deported.

Greater post than my rambling.

Are you saying that one group of people has more value than others?

That appears to be exactly what he is saying, yes. Israelis have cool tech so they deserve to live more.

Yeah, I'm very pro-Israel but you won't see me using that sort of cold utilitarian logic, because it is demonic.

And for that I respect you. We disagree strongly on this matter, but you have held true to your morals and are ethically consistent.

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I watched all the Jews and Muslims protest today in NYC over the Gaza/Israel border. If only all those people cared the same about our border!

No particular reason to think they don't. It is possible to hold more than one opinion at a time.

I mean they aren't passionate about it the same way or they would have been out on the streets a few weeks ago when NYC had a major migrant crisis.

...how do you know they weren't out a few weeks ago? Did you memorize the faces of everyone who might've protested at that time? Have you been stealing phone location data?

Look, man, I'm more sympathetic to your take than many people here might be, but participating in a protest does not imply holding one position or another about some completely unrelated topic. People come out when an organization exists, and not only for demonstrations about whatever topic matters most to them. It is possible to care about the Middle East and also about the border.

I think his point is one has a direct impact on every single American while the other is tangential for like 95% of us.

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Amnesty International is pro open borders and not a serious organization. There are like half a million superior sources.

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Once Hamas starts killing hostages en masse, there is nothing that will be able to save them and most likely nothing that will be able to save Gaza. Israel's rage will be such that it could very well spin out into a full regional war with Israel going full Allied bombing raids on the terrorists and their sponsors. So if possible, a joint US/Egypt invasion raid might just be the best option right now.

At most I can see us providing air support. I highly doubt we send ground troops

If we do Biden has lost my vote and likely the election. Not a single American soldier should be sent into this mess.

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https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-gaza-rockets-attack-palestinians/card/u-s-can-t-easily-meet-israel-s-requests-for-ammo-official-says-STbBF5wjz3qW9goCt4bn

"U.S. Can't Easily Meet Israel's Requests for Ammo, Official Says"

Ukraine and Israel need to have a knife fight to see who gets the limited ammo the USA have left. 

The Israelis have one of the most powerful, high tech militaries in the world. Ukraine needs our help far more.

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I predicted that if Niger would be invaded by ECOWAS, the US effort to assist Ukraine would be diverted as France and anyone else focus on that front. The war did not occur as France backed down and left, but now there’s a real good possibility of the collective effort of our leadership being divided once again as US war production is at its full capacity and efforts in Europe are drying out.

The battle of priorities is rearing its head once again.

Defeating Russia in Ukraine is far, far more important to the long term security of America than defeating Hamas. Sadly, I do not expect this administration to agree with me. Protecting Israel will come first and Ukraine may be hung out to dry all for a country that doesn't need our help to begin with.

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https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1711502903083434453

I am glad they at least acknowledged that the Palestinian movement as a whole (not Hamas obviously) is legitimate. A Republican president never would've signed onto that.

I am still very worried about the West deprioritizing Ukraine for this.

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I am still very worried about the West deprioritizing Ukraine for this.

Fortunately, our State Department is well-equipped to focus on more than one thing at once.

Supposedly there are ammo shortages. I don't want any bullets wasted on a conflict where both sides are terrible.

All of it should go to Ukraine.

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the atrocities they have spoken about today are absolutely inhuman, just like when Saddam's goons were pulling babies out of incubators, it looks like it's a good time for a Coalition of the Willing

Dude, please do not make that analogy, that was proven to be incorrect and the analogy actually just weakens your point (in fact it's exactly the sort of thing the Hamas apologists will make as "proof" all claims of atrocities are incorrect.)

Wait, HillGoose is genuine in his views? I always thought he was playing a bit.

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The Brandenburg Gate in Berlin tonight.

Odd déjà vu... it used to be Blue-Yellow colour scheme back in February of 2022.

Ukraine War apparently is over. Zelensky is the biggest loser of this Israel conflict, not only it’s more recent, it’s a way more geopolitically strategic region for the Americans than Ukraine ever was close to be.

Imagine if China declares war with Taiwan too, clearly both Taiwan AND Israel will suck up most of the air inside the West as they’re considered more “important”.

Well, a third of our population is Evangelical, and they prioritize Israel over America. Are Evangelicals in Brazil just as obsessed?

Not only is this an incredibly dumb thing to say, the Hamas attack actually makes it easier to pass a new round of Ukraine aid, as that money will now most likely be tied to an Israel assistance package. I know this makes the MAGA idiots/Putin apologists mad, but it's the truth. Sucks to be a state sponsor of terrorism right now as we'll be passing money to fight both Russian terrorists in Ukraine as well as Hamas terrorists in Gaza in about a month. Cry about it.

Do you not agree that Evangelicals prioritize Israel over America? They say this all the time, I don't see how that is controversial.

My point is the Israelis don't need a cent. They clearly have this. A cent wasted on Israel could easily go towards Ukraine. They need it. The Israelis don't.

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Sorry to be America-brained about this for a moment, but only good things could come from this petition catching fire and getting attention: https://www.change.org/p/evacuate-americans-from-israel-now

How on earth is that America brained? You are American, of course you'll want to make sure our citizens are evacuated, just as the Swiss or Brazilians or whoever would for their citizens. Nothing wrong with putting emphasis on that. Why apologize?

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I've been vocal about my distaste for Hamas and my wish that it be completely annihilated, but how come we don't have people chasing down pro-Israel posters ITT demanding that they denounce the IDF's killings of civilians the same way we have demanded that anyone who supports Palestinian independence denounce Hamas? For all the talk of baby murders, a baby dies whether it's shot by Hamas or bombed by the IDF. Civilian deaths in this conflict are already mostly Palestinian, and it's only going to get worse for Palestinians. And please don't give me the "human shields" crap. It is completely impossible that Israel has enough verified Hamas targets to be dropping 1,000 bombs a day for 6 days now with no sign of stopping. Everyone, even Israel, agrees that this is terror bombing.

Some posters here truly believe that Israeli lives are simply more precious than Palestinian lives. Many Evangelical Christians think this as they consider Jewish people special and vital for their nihilistic, bloodthirsty end times fantasies. Fuzzy has all but admitted that he cares about Israeli children more than Palestinian children, he said as much in the recent bans megathread.

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Hamas killed babies and Israel is blowing up babies in retaliation, everything sucks and I’m depressed. At the end of the day Palestine has a right to be a nation and how Israel treats them is abhorrent but anyone with a soul left can’t in good faith defend or justify what Hamas has done

This is where I'm at too. Everything sucks.

Which is why the United States should be as accepting of refugees as possible

I'm generally an immigration skeptic, and have gotten into it with many left of center folks about the pros and cons of mass immigration. Still, Israel would not be capable of such total destruction if we hadn't been propping them up for 75 years. I think we should welcome as many Gazan refugees as possible. We owe them.

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The settlers must be stopped if Israel doesn't want to find itself fighting a three front war. It is what they seek and it would be catastrophic.]

I don't think they care. Biden has said we will stand with Israel "no matter what" and nothing they do will change that.. Rhetoric like that is is emboldening them to turn this into a three front war.

Expect a lot more of this from the settlers.

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Giving one million people--half of them children--24 hours to leave, regardless of what Hamas says, is utterly untenable. Between this and the West Bank being placed under full lockdown it's going to be mass slaughter, and the West will stand and watch as tens of thousands of Palestinians are murdered.
https://twitter.com/nsdoud/status/1712657466721460521?t=5zmBTHX33jGA-dhaYbk-TQ&a...

That's 24 hours more than their government gave Israeli citizens.

Go to hell you Tory psychopath.

It's gonna be hilarious when that sociopath Rishi loses by like 25 points next election.

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This was isn't good for my health at all. Mainly because I have to see so many Ben Shapiro videos. Ben Shapiro is an evil man.

Ben Shapiro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tucker Carlson

A zionist justifying slaughtering kids and won't fight for his homeland is not better than a man hoping for peace

This sounds dangerously close to a "dual loyalty" argument...

I say Evangelical Christians have dual loyalty all the time and no one bats an eye. Unlike the Evangelicals, I do not believe that the vast, vast majority of Jewish Americans have dual loyalty. I am, however, unsure about Ben Shapiro.

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https://twitter.com/SanaImmTarek/status/1712901757204914196?s=20

Finkelstein is a gem. Love that guy.