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« Reply #225 on: October 04, 2021, 06:22:32 AM »

Biden still thinks Rs are bluffing on Debt Ceiling and hasn't met with any GOP leader like Obama did with Boehner on budget caps Ceiling in Debt Ceiling fight in 2011/13

Rs have already blocked it twice with the Filibuster


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-says-gop-filibuster-debt-140725880.html
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« Reply #226 on: October 04, 2021, 07:34:12 AM »

The Rs are Blocking Debt Ceiling increase they get nothing out of it
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« Reply #227 on: October 04, 2021, 08:08:10 AM »

https://news.yahoo.com/mcconnell-accuses-dem-leaders-letting-205651879.html

This is why Leader McConnell isn't bluffing on Filibusteribg the Debt Ceiling he said the Radical Left is controlling the Biden Agenda, he, McConnell didn't block infrastructure, he is blocking the Debt Ceiling due to 3.5T Socialized medicine
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« Reply #228 on: October 04, 2021, 08:41:40 AM »
« Edited: October 04, 2021, 08:50:21 AM by Mr. Kanye West »

https://news.yahoo.com/mcconnell-accuses-dem-leaders-letting-205651879.html

This is why Leader McConnell isn't bluffing on Filibusteribg the Debt Ceiling he said the Radical Left is controlling the Biden Agenda, he, McConnell didn't block infrastructure, he is blocking the Debt Ceiling due to 3.5T Socialized medicine
I know I shouldn’t reply to a bot trying, but on the off chance that anyone is taking this seriously, not only is the post a non-sequitor, so is McConnell’s entire argument.
‘Raising the debt ceiling’ has nothing to do with spending, it just means not preventing the Fed from issuing bonds.


You really think D's are gonna get a 3.5T dollar package, and Manchin and Sinema are adamantly opposed to raising Corporate taxes and 4T dollar bill l

The stupid 3.5T  has Medicare Expansion that doesn't even take up until 2028 and we already have Medicaid,, Seniors qualify for both Medicaid and Medicare and they get their Medicare premiums paid for by Medicaid if they make under 1488.
With full Preventive Dental care, no false teeth that is paid out of pocket, my whole family has Dual Coverage Medicare and Medicaid dual coverage

We need Student Loan Debt forgiveness not more Health care coverage, Biden promised to eliminate student loans.


Everyone gotten Medical coverage now in this Covid Environment I have plenty of it
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« Reply #229 on: October 04, 2021, 09:04:04 AM »

I just want Biden to keep his campaign promise to get rid of Student Loans Debt, because it's gonna get worse not better, Grad School is 10K online not 40K a yr and students will have more disposable income left with Student Loans after they pay their tuition.

But, due to automation more people are going to Grad school for Nursing, and Lawyers, because a College Degree is nothing it's like a HS Diploma, so many people have it, it's only valuable if you are an athlete
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« Reply #230 on: October 04, 2021, 09:52:11 AM »
« Edited: October 04, 2021, 09:56:52 AM by Mr. Kanye West »

So are we now at the point where we’ll be lucky if any of this even happens by the end of October?
Debt limit being what it is, we’ve got 15 days.

All indicators are that we're defaulting. I'd say more than 85% Chance we do.

As far as the infrastructure bills, it'll happen sometime later in the year.

D's are considering a backup plan minting a T dollar coin and putting it thru Reconciliation the Debt Ceiling increase and passing infrastructure by Oct 31st and then pass Reconciliation and Debt Ceiling and Appropriation Bills by Dec 3rd but Biden hasn't yet agreed to minting a T dollar coin


Here's the D's plan B

Oct 31st Minting a T dollar coin and pass infrastructure

Debt Limit Increase Omnibus Appropriations Bills and 2.1T spending by Dec 3rd Deadline and By Dec 3rd Rs can fill up  Omnibus Appropriations Bills with as many Amendments

But the monkey wrench Biden hasn't agreed to minting a T dollar Coin, he was there as Veep when Obama said No
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« Reply #231 on: October 04, 2021, 10:32:01 AM »

I really doubt we default. I think an increase or suspension will ultimately pass, but if not they'll do some kind of nuclear option (trillion dollar coin, ignore the debt ceiling, etc) to prevent the default.

Really Mcconnell just sent a letter to Biden saying go it alone in Debt Ceiling, Rs aren't gonna supply him with 10 votes, Biden is gonna address the Debt Ceiling
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Manchin and Sinema are dead set against getting rid of Fillibuster and D's already have a Power Sharing Agreement, Rs already blocking State Dept nominees will start blocking judges if D's go back on their promise on Filibuster Reform

It ends 2022/ if D's win Trifecta again, 52 SEN the Filibuster is eliminated anyways

Biden said he is against Minting a T dollar coin, because it would elevate Rs from responsibility of creating debt with Trump tax cuts
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« Reply #232 on: October 04, 2021, 11:59:10 AM »
« Edited: October 04, 2021, 07:37:38 PM by Mr. Kanye West »

Most people qualify for Pell Grants anyways, we need Student Loan reform because most people are going to Grad school and taking out loans to pay for school there isn't any financial aid and the Govt calls Student Loans financial aid

Most people in Undergrad took out loans for Dorm life and alot of people including athletes are going to school online, Free Community College is nothing now

Manchin and Sinema want it cut anyways
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« Reply #233 on: October 04, 2021, 03:15:17 PM »

So what is the most realistic summed up timeline here?

They have until Oct 31 st to Raise Debt Ceiling and Mcconnell already said no to Biden to not blocking the Debt Ceiling
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« Reply #234 on: October 04, 2021, 03:25:10 PM »

McConnell just rejected Biden to raise Debt Ceiling on 51 not 60 votes, Cruz is the one Filibustered the Debt Ceiling he was upset with Boehner on even Budget caps with raising Debt Ceiling in 2011/13, with Biden as Veep and Obama
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« Reply #235 on: October 04, 2021, 05:12:25 PM »

https://news.yahoo.com/white-house-dismisses-minting-1-211518692.html

Well minting a T dollar coin is out of question to raise Debt Ceiling it's Reconciliation Bill
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« Reply #236 on: October 04, 2021, 05:19:06 PM »

Biden said today it's all on Mcconnell, what Leadership, he gives his power away toa Minority Leader in Congress you haven't even invited to WH since infrastructure bill
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« Reply #237 on: October 04, 2021, 05:23:30 PM »

Biden said not to get rid of Fillibuster on Debt Ceiling anyways and change the rules but just allow a vote of 51 Senators
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« Reply #238 on: October 04, 2021, 07:35:14 PM »

All the Ds have to do to raise the Debt Ceiling is s drop the 3.5T dollar Package and pass the infrastructure bill that was already passed thru the Senate and wait til after the Midterms to pass it but they won't do that

They're putting the cart before the Horse you are stopping SSA checks in order to get your way on Medicare expansion that won't take effect til 2028

Biden is at 44% Approval rating a danger zone for losing the H, he's not at 60% Approval
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« Reply #239 on: October 04, 2021, 08:55:52 PM »


Truly low students that are not intended to go on to the trades, professions, or the tallest ivory towers can be sent into community based instruction to work in the simplest jobs whether they are typical D and F students that flunked out of 8th grade or have severe intellectual disabilities.

Agreed with UniverseMan. Whether we like it or not the vast majority of those in the bottom 25 percent of the IQ distribution land up in simple repetitive labor jobs. From a cost benefit perspective why should taxpayers be footing the bill for such students to "further" their education when they get little to nothing out of it, and can instead be earning and investing money at an earlier age?


If we had Federal Jobs Guarentee we would be able to have White Collar jobs, most people that get White Collar jobs  have connections or have family members already employed with their company called Entrepreneurship.

Just because you don't get a White Collar Job, you can pass it onto your kids and they get better jobs than you, sometimes you further your Education for the better good.

We went thru a Pandemic and a Great Recession, both of them wiped out Banking Jobs, that was in the 90s a White collar job, now,most people do online banking


Nursing is a huge field that people are going into instead of being Doctors those are White Collar jobs and you don't have to go thru Med school and take out 200K Student Loans
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« Reply #240 on: October 04, 2021, 11:25:00 PM »

Can we get an approximate expected timeline?

The 4T dollar Spending bill is gonna have to wait, Sinema and Manchin are against spending 4T dollars and the Rs are Filibustering the Debt Ceiling based on the Spending bill not the 1.2T dollar infrastructure bill, Oct 31st is most likely the date that infrastructure not Spending bill is passed there you have if
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« Reply #241 on: October 05, 2021, 10:53:47 AM »
« Edited: October 05, 2021, 11:01:45 AM by Mr. Kanye West »

Biden is out in MI today selling his infrastructure deal while Debt Ceiling DRAMA Drags ON

D's really have until Oct 24th, to raise Debt Ceiling for next Nov checks thats plenty of time to put their Reconciliation package together instead of holding useless votes on Debt Ceiling increase they could of started last WK and specify the amount of Debt Ceiling increase to the exact number of their Spending Bill or 34T

There is no way they can get now a Reconciliation thru on Oct 18th but can for Oct 24th


That gives D's enough leeway to not miss any Nov payments but still miss payments for rest of October

Sean Hannity tells it like it is MSNBC protects Biden and we know that Chris Matthews
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« Reply #242 on: October 05, 2021, 06:10:11 PM »

Q-Pac (which has been trash of course for years now), even has the $3.5T reconciliation bill at 57% support, 40% oppose.

https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3823

It's not even gonna be 3.5 T DOLLARS
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« Reply #243 on: October 05, 2021, 06:55:08 PM »
« Edited: October 05, 2021, 07:00:56 PM by Mr. Kanye West »

https://news.yahoo.com/not-backing-down-gop-vows-211600278.html


Rs still are gonna block Wednesday vote on Debt Ceiling increase

All the Ds have to do is DROP THE 3.5 T plan save it til After Midterms and Rs will pass a clean CR with Debt Ceiling increase
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« Reply #244 on: October 05, 2021, 08:30:32 PM »
« Edited: October 05, 2021, 08:35:19 PM by Mr. Kanye West »

To be honest, I think the GOP is overplaying their hand on the Debt ceiling, because if it comes down to it, I do believe the Dems will lower the threshold to 51 votes in order to increase the depth calling.  

At this point it is increasingly the only real option they have because even if Dems wanted to use reconciliation on the Debt ceiling,, it would simply take way too long and by the time there were done it would already be too late. even Joe Manchin has now come out with a very strong statement saying, We Will Not Let This Country Default

To me that statement should be a red flag to republicans because they are assuming that Manchin is simply going to sit there and let the country fall into economic ruin. To be clear, I don't for 1 second think that Joe Manchin wants to change the filibuster, but if we do end up getting close to Defaulting I think even Manchin would vote for it under those extreme circumstances




Really, Rs are overplaying their hands and D's known since July that Rs weren't gonna help them to raise the Debt Ceiling

D's are using R votes to raise the Debt Ceiling and infrastructure so they can pass a partisan  bill but at same time Portman, Sasse, Toomey, Romney, Collins whom are moderates and Murkowski whom helped D's with Commission aren't partisan and should help raise the DEBT CEILING

Collins is obstructing VR too and she isn't gonna be reelected as easily as she did in 2020 in 2026


Bernie and Warren kept saying Rs aren't that crazy to let the US default yes they are the partisans are


Rs want D's to add Debt Ceiling to Reconciliation so they can modify the D's tax increases like Estate Taxes like I wrote earlier, Rs with Boehner had Budget caps on taxes and Spending when they passed a clean CR on Debt Ceiling with Boehner in 2011

If D's had 52 votes they can ignore Rs and Sinema said she won't blink on View on Filibuster
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« Reply #245 on: October 05, 2021, 09:10:20 PM »
« Edited: October 05, 2021, 09:14:40 PM by Mr. Kanye West »

Debt limits in the 1990s was supposed to control spending, every Prez since Contract with America combined with Great Recession and Pandemic have used Debt Ceiling to increase debt, and with two Tax cuts Bush W 1.5T and Trump 1.8T and Tarp, Cares Act and 8t on War on Terror every Prez has used Debt Ceiling to increase the Debt

Medicare Expansion doesn't need to be Expanded we have Medicaid and Seniors of under 1488 qualify for Food stamps and Dual Coverage of Medicaid and Medicare and get premiumd paid off

Seniors or Disabled don't just have Medicare as I have said over and over again

Medicare Expansion doesn't take effect til 2028 anyways, it's not immediately



Most of the Cares Act wasn't 1400/1200 the benefits went to the vast Majority of people on Unemployment with 300 extra more than everyone else, thats why it wasn't renewed
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« Reply #246 on: October 06, 2021, 12:26:48 AM »

Sinema won’t vote for ending the filibuster. She is a sociopath, make no mistake. She would rather inflate her own image no matter the cost.

Definitely won't vote to abolish it altogether or significantly weaken it, but if she's given these two choices:
  • Approve a "Sinema Rule" that says the debt ceiling cannot be filibustered but otherwise makes to changes to the current system
  • Single-handedly start a worldwide depression (I mean, McConnell and the other 50 Senators would share the blame, but they would be happy to do it to screw Biden while Sinema is at least nominally on Biden's team)

Even Sinema probably takes option 1 there if it's literally down to her deciding and the other 99 Senators not budging. At least... hopefully.

This is why I think the republicans have made such a huge political miscalculation when it comes to this debt ceiling fight. The GOP is literally putting Manchin and Sinema in a situation where the only reasonable option for them is to vote to weaken the filibuster in order avoid a global depression.

There is simply no upside whatsoever for them to let the economy be destroyed and Manchin has already made it clear that he is not going to let the US default. If push comes to shove, I believe both Manchin and Sinema will vote to weaken the filibuster in order to avoid a global economic Apocalypse



Sinema isn't getting rid of Filibuster
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« Reply #247 on: October 06, 2021, 04:49:49 AM »

https://news.yahoo.com/lindsey-graham-says-wont-complete-042022671.html

Graham says Mcconnell and Cruz are wrong but yet Romney, Murkowski and Collins are Filibustering the Debt Ceiling doesn't make sense to me

Graham said McConnell was wrong about 2K checks too
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« Reply #248 on: October 06, 2021, 08:54:21 AM »

I am not for the Filibuster but Sinema if she does break the impasse with a Filibuster reform, on debt Ceiling, then she waisted TX Dems time when they came to DC and sought refuge to get the Filibuster removed from VR and they arrested Barber and Jesse Jackson when then they got arrested when they stayed a sit in in her office and she said on View she would never ever as tiebreaker get rid of Fillibuster that's why I am skeptical.

She missed the Commission vote where she could of broke the Filibuster where 5 Rs broke ranks to pass a It Commission and we could of put Ron Johnson on the Hot seat for his comments on praising Proud Boys, making him more vulnerable for reelection
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« Reply #249 on: October 06, 2021, 11:36:12 AM »
« Edited: October 06, 2021, 11:43:19 AM by Mr. Kanye West »

Sinema won’t vote for ending the filibuster. She is a sociopath, make no mistake. She would rather inflate her own image no matter the cost.

Definitely won't vote to abolish it altogether or significantly weaken it, but if she's given these two choices:
  • Approve a "Sinema Rule" that says the debt ceiling cannot be filibustered but otherwise makes to changes to the current system
  • Single-handedly start a worldwide depression (I mean, McConnell and the other 50 Senators would share the blame, but they would be happy to do it to screw Biden while Sinema is at least nominally on Biden's team)

Even Sinema probably takes option 1 there if it's literally down to her deciding and the other 99 Senators not budging. At least... hopefully.

This is why I think the republicans have made such a huge political miscalculation when it comes to this debt ceiling fight. The GOP is literally putting Manchin and Sinema in a situation where the only reasonable option for them is to vote to weaken the filibuster in order avoid a global depression.

There is simply no upside whatsoever for them to let the economy be destroyed and Manchin has already made it clear that he is not going to let the US default. If push comes to shove, I believe both Manchin and Sinema will vote to weaken the filibuster in order to avoid a global economic Apocalypse



Sinema isn't getting rid of Filibuster

Sorry Kanye but have to disagree with you on this one because I don't for 1 some believe that Sinema is going to let the US default and head into a global depression that would do horrific damage to her state of Arizona for many years to come.

Many of Kyrsten Sinema decisions in the past have annoyed me at the times, but she is no fool when it comes to something as serious as this. By the end of the day I believe she and every other Dem would vote to kill Filibuster if they were faced with the possibility that not doing so would bring about a global economic disaster
 




https://finance.yahoo.com/news/manchin-rejects-altering-filibuster-rule-155454447.html

Well, Roxas Manchin said he won't vote to end Filibuster to Raise the Debt Ceiling, so that isn't an option and


Biden says he's not Minting a Platinum coin


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-04/psaki-rules-out-minting-coin-to-resolve-u-s-debt-limit-dispute


Either D's drop the 3=5T Reconciliation, and pass the 1.2T infrastructure and save it for a Jan 3rd 2023, a 53 plus Senate Ryan and Demings and Barnes and Fetterman said they want DC Statehood that means end Filibuster, or Reconciliation if We Default we can still due Reconciliation by 10/24 that is Deadline for next mnths payments to SSa and Military

If we get 55/45 NC, OH, WI, PA, FL, GA the threshold for Filibuster will be lowered to 55 ANYWAYS

We can win OH, NC and FL in 400 days, campaigns don't begin until Aug 2022/ Rs don't have a monopoly on those states because with Biden and Obama we won them all in 2008/2012/ and Rs were able to win them back, we will win them back too
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