Voter suppresion/"stealing the election" megathread

[brucejoel99]

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None of this states that he'll actually reverse all of the damage that he's already done (like undoing the removal of sorting machines).

No, in other words, they've already ratf**ked it enough, so good luck getting it fixed.

[brucejoel99]

DeJoy's words yesterday meant nothing:

https://twitter.com/_HeatherWalker/status/1296109536164679681

https://twitter.com/_HeatherWalker/status/1296122043772133382

We're watching - in real time - a massive effort by corrupt individuals to influence the election results.

[brucejoel99]

Is there anything we can do to stop this? I know, we can vote early and directly drop off our ballots... but is there nothing we can do about the USPS?

1. Buy a bunch of stamps & use them as much as you can by sending as much of your written correspondence through the USPS as is possible. Don't opt in to paperless online e-statements either: force companies to mail you bills, statements, etc. And use the USPS for shipping packages too, both when you buy something online & ship to somebody else.

2. Call your Congressperson & Senators (even if they're Republicans) & voice your disapproval regarding what's being done to hurt the USPS.

3. Vote straight-ticket for Democratic candidates who support the USPS in the general election.

[brucejoel99]

DeJoy is absurd:

https://twitter.com/jason_koebler/status/1296471470709903360

PSA: if it's an option available to you, don't mail your ballot back. Deliver your ballot in-person instead, because with Trump's sabotage of the USPS, you can't count on a ballot you mail back being delivered in time to be counted.

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1296627473342517248

This man is truly a work of pure chaos.

[brucejoel99]

There's already a post on this in the voter suppression megathread.

Mods, please merge.

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/thegarance/status/1297297208979660800

Who had "Postal workers revolt" on their 2020 bingo card?

Good trouble.

[brucejoel99]

Haha this is the judge tha smacked down Trump's Pennsylvania lawsuit.

Guess who appointed him?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Ranjan

They owe him nothing.

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1298305905143033857

A legend of democracy.

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1299203081431851009

Ridiculous, but at least an effort to correct it is already underway. Hopefully it includes an explanatory letter so voters aren't left in the dark about why they're receiving new forms.

[brucejoel99]

What sort of action? Above all, the media has an obligation to promote accurate reporting - particularly to make sure that the public understands that we will not have results on Election Night. Responsible media organizations must take care not to report (or allow the viral dissemination of) unverified rumors of election shenanigans or to treat a few isolated cases of miscues as a reason to doubt the integrity of the results as a whole. Social media platforms in particular need to have strategies to remove/correct inaccurate information, or at least prevent it from going viral, and to stop their platforms from being used to organize violence. Finally, police and other law enforcement organizations need to start planning now for large protests, including possibly competing protests and agents provocateurs, and to identify de-escalation strategies to avoid violent conflict.

So, we're f**ked?

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1299472388346740739

Appeals will likely push implementation back or lead to this being overruled, but this is still a positive step.

This won't be a fully online voter-registration system (which would at least let everybody who already has a TX driver's license register to vote or update their registration even if they don't have to renew or update their driver's license), but again, it's a positive step compared to having no options whatsoever to register online.

[brucejoel99]

Very refreshing to see Georgia in the news for a positive (& I don't mean a positive COVID test).

[brucejoel99]

Won't matter since it'll be a landslide.

[brucejoel99]

Pence's COS: “The Vice President welcomes the efforts of members of the House and Senate to use the authority they have under the law to raise objections and bring forward evidence before the Congress and the American people on January 6th.”

You'd think that if they had any, then it would've already been presented... of course, given that there won't be any standards of evidence in this goofy theatrical display of lunacy, a stack of reports of people who heard of relatives of people in nearby states who had some concerns about people looking shifty while voting will do just fine in this forum.

Beautiful!

The Fifth Circuit is the craziest CCOA in the country, for reference (unless you're a conservative who reserves that honor for the Ninth); it's 12-5 Republican and is the only CCOA I'd be worried about under more normal circumstances. Good to see not even they have time for this.

It's even more telling because they didn't even wait for Gohmert's briefing apparently. They got the appeal less than 24 hours ago and just slapped it down as hard as they could. Out of all the courts in this country, you'd think the 5th would be the most receptive to this. But this appears to be one of the hardest slap downs of an election lawsuit so far.

Edit: And thank you to election twitter for helping me get more details. A thread I found very helpful on this ruling:

https://twitter.com/questauthority/status/1345543067533778946

Yeah, I thought I'd missed something because I hadn't seen a single brief before this was issued. I was expecting a Tuesday evening decision, & honestly didn't even think it was possible for an appeal to get slapped down this quickly. Law Twitter is suggesting that this might've even been a record.

[brucejoel99]

Peter Navarro claims the inauguration can be delayed (it can't, it's in the 20th Amendment). Navarro has said a lot of ridiculous sh*t that did not gain traction but we are moving towards the direction where Trump is evicted from the White House on Jan. 20 by federal agents.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1345561531010846720

I wish they realized that even if they objected to all 50 states & DC, held full debates & votes on all of them, & then agreed to this preposterous 10-day Electoral Commission proposal & somehow managed to push the final certification past noon on Jan. 20th, then from that point on, they'd just be stuck with Acting President Pelosi in the meantime

[brucejoel99]

Read this article (not paywalled) for more details on Trump's call with Raffensperger.  Just horrible.  Trump needs to be prosecuted for attempted election fraud after he's out of office.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

That call is astounding to listen to. He sounds frantic & desperate.

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1345798206471475204
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1345803569438597121

At this rate, the man's headstone is gonna read "RIGGED ELECTION! WE WON BY A LOT!"

[brucejoel99]

Does it matter that he wasn't in Georgia when he made he call? In terms of the jurisdiction.

It might matter in terms of interstate extradition, especially given DeSantis's overall DeSantis-ness.

I'm pretty sure there's nothing DeSantis can do to stop extradition of Trump. The Florida Attorney General, maybe, but the end result of that would just be the US Marshals being dispatched to apprehend Trump.

This is all manners of wrong, BRTD. Please read up on extradition law. Interstate extradition is solely within the Governor's realm, & not within a state AG's. Moreover, it'd be the responsibility of state law enforcement authorities to conduct the extradition, not the Marshals, who play a very limited role in interstate extradition (one which wouldn't apply to this case). If a Governor refused to extradite, then the federal courts would issue a writ of mandamus & compel said Governor to extradite, yes, but extradition would still occur between state authorities. Marshals are only authorized to be involved in interstate extradition when it involves child kidnapping.

[brucejoel99]

Does it matter that he wasn't in Georgia when he made he call? In terms of the jurisdiction.

It might matter in terms of interstate extradition, especially given DeSantis's overall DeSantis-ness.

I'm pretty sure there's nothing DeSantis can do to stop extradition of Trump. The Florida Attorney General, maybe, but the end result of that would just be the US Marshals being dispatched to apprehend Trump.

This is all manners of wrong, BRTD. Please read up on extradition law. Interstate extradition is solely within the Governor's realm, & not within a state AG's. Moreover, it'd be the responsibility of state law enforcement authorities to conduct the extradition, not the Marshals, who play a very limited role in interstate extradition (one which wouldn't apply to this case). If a Governor refused to extradite, then the federal courts would issue a writ of mandamus & compel said Governor to extradite, yes, but extradition would still occur between state authorities. Marshals are only authorized to be involved in interstate extradition when it involves child kidnapping.

Well the main role of the Marshals is in fugitive recovery. So if Trump ignored a subpoena from New York or Georgia, wouldn't that make him a fugitive under the law? Not my area of expertise of course, granted. I think the FBI also trails interstate fugitives.

They operate in recovering federal fugitives charged under federal law or state fugitives who cross state lines to avoid capture. If already charged under state law by NY or GA & DeSantis is refusing to extradite, then Trump would be a state fugitive but not one who's yet crossed state lines to avoid capture, & he presumably wouldn't be taking any chances in leaving FL (be it through entering GA, AL, or federal waters), which would trigger Marshal jurisdiction.

[brucejoel99]

The real question is whether a jury anywhere would ever find him guilty. If there are any solid Trump supporters on it, I find it hard to believe they wouldn't be swayed by Trump's inevitable whining about political persecution.

A Manhattan jury? I can totally see it.

IIRC, even one of the folks on the Manafort jury was a die-hard Trump supporter who nevertheless voted to convict him on 8 of the 18 felony counts. The legal system has by & large dodged the tarnish that has affected most other areas of our governance these past 4 years, & Trump has certainly provided the prosecution with ample amounts of dead-to-rights evidence. I could certainly be wrong, but I think a hypothetical jury would definitely convict.

(Alternatively, a juror acting in bad faith could definitely be removed by a judge - which is what alternate jurors are for, in case of emergencies - but that would undoubtedly just play into any whining about political persecution. And if MAGA idiots do keep forcing mistrials, then a judge might just deny bail & force him to be held on remand while any & all forced retrials take place. If it can be done to Curtis Flowers, then it can be done to Trump too.)

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/JustinGrayWSB/status/1346126903141408772

Public officials are now having to explicitly say that they won't be intimidated by the f**king President of the United States. A District Attorney has to say that she'll enforce the law (which is her job) & she's having to say that she'll do so regardless of what the President says.

How this man still has any moral support is simply inconceivable to me.

[brucejoel99]

You're right for once, SirWoodbury! Mopping the floor will definitely be POTUS' assigned duty when he's in lockup.

EDIT: well, now that it's been merged with the steal megathread, my comment looks like it makes no sense