What is your opinion on Republicans who support Donald Trump?

[Xing]

While I won't judge all of them as "terrible people", I do think that they either are willing to put party above literally anything else, or aren't paying much attention to news that isn't coming from Fox. And for all the talk of liberals living in a bubble and showing no desire to be empathetic, I don't think conservatives are ones to talk. If I had a dime for every time I heard...

-Baby murderer
-Socialist
-Communist
-Stalinist
-PC Police
-Uber-senstitive
-Anti-free speech
-SJW
-Cuck
-White-hating (ironic if directed my way)
-Antisemitic (see above)
-Crybaby
-Variants of insane/brainwashed
-Elitist
-Just wants free stuff
-Freeloader
-And many more, including my favorite of all: "Trump Derangement Syndrome"

Many times I've tried to be empathetic with Trump supporters, and the favor hasn't been returned. It's exhausting, and I just don't have the energy to keep trying (and, the definition of insanity and all that), especially given the era we're living in and the "president" we're living under.

[R.P. McM]

I don't support Trump, but I understand why other Republicans do.

So why do they support a bully, tyrant, liar, conman who is about to be impeached?

I mentioned it earlier: Democrats are not any better.

People disagree about when life begins, but at a certain point in the pregnancy the fetus is objectively a person.  Yet many Democrats, including presidential candidates, think it's okay to rip those babies into pieces.  This is evil and needs to be called out.

I know this makes you feel better, but like most things emanating from the contemporary right, it's unmitigated bullsh!+. Democratic-leaning voters couldn't even stomach Hillary Clinton, to say nothing of a racist p***y-grabber who encouraged political violence. Unfortunately, I have to conclude that anyone who would vote for the latter is trash, because I have actually values.  

Do you think that ripping apart viable babies is okay?  Because if you do, you have no moral standing to criticize anyone.

Exactly — because I support a position held by ~60% of the country, I have no moral standing, and you proto-fascists are free to abrogate the bedrock laws and norms that have enabled us to coexist as a political community for more than two centuries.  

I specified viable babies.  I hope you have enough of a heart to oppose killing them.  If you don't, then you have no moral standing to criticize Trump or his supporters.

No, I do, because abortion is a nuanced issue that inspires widespread disagreement. So embracing a stance at odds with your own doesn't make me a monster — it's a normal political disagreement. But we can't disagree about whether a president can extort a foreign power to aid his reelection bid using taxpayer funds. To excuse such behavior is to weaponize foreign interests against one's domestic opposition, at which point, we can no longer harmoniously coexist. And respectfully debate contentious topics such as abortion. Your little pet issue — which I don't actually believe is nearly as salient to Trump voters as white power! — isn't worth transforming the country into a banana republic.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

I don't support Trump, but I understand why other Republicans do.

So why do they support a bully, tyrant, liar, conman who is about to be impeached?

I mentioned it earlier: Democrats are not any better.

People disagree about when life begins, but at a certain point in the pregnancy the fetus is objectively a person.  Yet many Democrats, including presidential candidates, think it's okay to rip those babies into pieces.  This is evil and needs to be called out.

I know this makes you feel better, but like most things emanating from the contemporary right, it's unmitigated bullsh!+. Democratic-leaning voters couldn't even stomach Hillary Clinton, to say nothing of a racist p***y-grabber who encouraged political violence. Unfortunately, I have to conclude that anyone who would vote for the latter is trash, because I have actually values.  

Do you think that ripping apart viable babies is okay?  Because if you do, you have no moral standing to criticize anyone.

Exactly — because I support a position held by ~60% of the country, I have no moral standing, and you proto-fascists are free to abrogate the bedrock laws and norms that have enabled us to coexist as a political community for more than two centuries.  

I specified viable babies.  I hope you have enough of a heart to oppose killing them.  If you don't, then you have no moral standing to criticize Trump or his supporters.

No, I do, because abortion is a nuanced issue that inspires widespread disagreement. So embracing a stance at odds with your own doesn't make me a monster — it's a normal political disagreement. But we can't disagree about whether a president can extort a foreign power to aid his reelection bid using taxpayer funds. To excuse such behavior is to weaponize foreign interests against one's domestic opposition, at which point, we can no longer harmoniously coexist. And respectfully debate contentious topics such as abortion. Your little pet issue — which I don't actually believe is nearly as salient to Trump voters as white power! — isn't worth transforming the country into a banana republic.

Abortion on viable babies isn't nuanced.  Before viability, we can talk, but after viability is different.

[Green Line]

Mean people on twitter doesn't excuse support for authoritarianism/foreign election interference.  I wish Republicans weren't so sensitive.  Their feelings are literally tearing this country apart.

"Basket of deplorables" Hillary Clinton wasn't some "mean person on Twitter". She was your party's presidential candidate. And why is it that only the people who disagree with you are "sensitive" and "tearing this country apart?"

Ah yes, basket of deplorables.  The one quote that every Trump supporter will turn to in a heart beat.  Its been discussed to death, dissected, and apoligized for.  It did sound pretty bad in 2016 I have to agree.  Sadly, you only have to listen to about 5 minutes of a Trump 2020 rally to see that this was a very tame description.  I won't even begin to try and transcribe the quotes from his recent rallys on here - I'd probably get banned.  We're far, far beyond "basket of deplorables" in our political discourse.  It honestly sounds so tame in the Trump era that it is almost cute.


The "sensitive" people are tearing this country apart because they're supporting a President who openly and proudly colludes with foreign governments to interfere in our elections.  I haven't even heard a rebuttal from you on this topic, amazingly.  You're just bringing up Hillary, from THREE years ago.  Please address the President asking for a foreign government to investigate Joe Biden with a straight face.

I don't want this to get bogged down into a debate on impeachment, but please explain why are the actions of the former Vice President and his son beyond scrutiny. If the son's name were Eric or Donald Trump, Jr., all the red avatars here and everyone on MSNBC wouldn't be talking about "foreign interference in elections" but the "crimes" those sons committed. So please explain why Biden should get a pass just because he happens to be running for President.

At the end of the day, many Republicans don't view this whole thing as "foreign interference" in an election, but trumped up political charges brought by Democrats who have been trying to remove the President for any and every reason since the day he was elected.

And I'm sure if the Obama administration were asking foreign governments for dirt on Trump back in 2015/16, you'd condemn that too, right?

Never, ever said that Biden's son is beyond scrutiny.  We're talking about asking a foreign governement to investigate a man because he's running for President.  If you think Biden's son committed a crime (or Biden), sure, please elaborate on what crime you think he committed?  We have a functioning criminal justice system in this country that is capable of investigating potential crimes.  I've yet to hear from Trump a single crime that he thinks Joe Biden committed.  If you've heard Trump articulate an alleged crime that needs to be pursued, please let me and everyone else know.  Our criminal justice system, especially under Bill Barr, would definitely pick that up and begin an investigation.  So far, all I've heard from Trump is that we need to "look into" Biden.  Trump is not a law enforcement officer.  Its not his job to investigate anyone.  Period.

If Republicans don't view this as foreign interference, I unfortunately can't change ignorance.  Do you have another word for asking the Ukrainian Prime Minister to investigate Joe Biden?  Can you explain why Trump NEVER expressed an interest in this supposed issue until the Democratic Primary commeneced?  Can you, again, name a single crime that there is evidence Biden committed?

And you're damn right I would have called Obama out if he did that.  It would have been a repugnant abuse of his office.

[Badger]

I’m sorry but this is ridiculous cinyc you’re a grown ass adult you can’t tell me that you can legitimately look at Trump’s conduct and think that liberal outrage towards him is just fake partisan outrage. Like you legitimately think Romney or Jeb would be causing such social upheaval?

Well, actually, yes. The left said basically the same things about Bush.

Um, no? I was one of the harshest critics of bush there was, but his threat to American democracy was never a microbes worth compared to trumps

[Badger]

Regardless - It's quite obvious at this point that "President Trump" will go down as a gigantic black eye in the USA's history.

This is really not the same as Reagan, the Bushes, or what Romney/McCain would've done, we've really entered a whole new level of evil/incompetence.

It's not the same, but that's what happens when you cry wolf, sadly.

But they were bad. Really bad. The fact that Trump is indescribably worst doesn't undermine the criticisms of the aforementioned Republicans 1iota. It's just Trump is indescribably worse.

[Badger]

I don't support Trump, but I understand why other Republicans do.

So why do they support a bully, tyrant, liar, conman who is about to be impeached?

I mentioned it earlier: Democrats are not any better.

People disagree about when life begins, but at a certain point in the pregnancy the fetus is objectively a person.  Yet many Democrats, including presidential candidates, think it's okay to rip those babies into pieces.  This is evil and needs to be called out.

Constitutional checks and balances be damned. So long as Trump is not literally canceling elections and locking Democrats in internment camps, a complete and absolutely unparalleled attempt to establish the unitary executive without any meaningful check by the other branches of government, it's all good so long as pro-life policies are follow.

In short, you are pro-life first, second, third through 10th, and pro-democracy somewhere after that.

[Badger]

I don't support Trump, but I understand why other Republicans do.

So why do they support a bully, tyrant, liar, conman who is about to be impeached?

I mentioned it earlier: Democrats are not any better.

People disagree about when life begins, but at a certain point in the pregnancy the fetus is objectively a person.  Yet many Democrats, including presidential candidates, think it's okay to rip those babies into pieces.  This is evil and needs to be called out.

I know this makes you feel better, but like most things emanating from the contemporary right, it's unmitigated bullsh!+. Democratic-leaning voters couldn't even stomach Hillary Clinton, to say nothing of a racist p***y-grabber who encouraged political violence. Unfortunately, I have to conclude that anyone who would vote for the latter is trash, because I have actually values. 

Do you think that ripping apart viable babies is okay?  Because if you do, you have no moral standing to criticize anyone.

Translation, As Long As Trump is Andi abortion and not literally cancelling elections, everything's scummy and dangerous to American democracy he does is fine with me.

And that's why you deserve zero respect

[Badger]

Mean people on twitter doesn't excuse support for authoritarianism/foreign election interference.  I wish Republicans weren't so sensitive.  Their feelings are literally tearing this country apart.

"Basket of deplorables" Hillary Clinton wasn't some "mean person on Twitter". She was your party's presidential candidate. And why is it that only the people who disagree with you are "sensitive" and "tearing this country apart?"

Ah yes, basket of deplorables.  The one quote that every Trump supporter will turn to in a heart beat.  Its been discussed to death, dissected, and apoligized for.  It did sound pretty bad in 2016 I have to agree.  Sadly, you only have to listen to about 5 minutes of a Trump 2020 rally to see that this was a very tame description.  I won't even begin to try and transcribe the quotes from his recent rallys on here - I'd probably get banned.  We're far, far beyond "basket of deplorables" in our political discourse.  It honestly sounds so tame in the Trump era that it is almost cute.


The "sensitive" people are tearing this country apart because they're supporting a President who openly and proudly colludes with foreign governments to interfere in our elections.  I haven't even heard a rebuttal from you on this topic, amazingly.  You're just bringing up Hillary, from THREE years ago.  Please address the President asking for a foreign government to investigate Joe Biden with a straight face.

I don't want this to get bogged down into a debate on impeachment, but please explain why are the actions of the former Vice President and his son beyond scrutiny. If the son's name were Eric or Donald Trump, Jr., all the red avatars here and everyone on MSNBC wouldn't be talking about "foreign interference in elections" but the "crimes" those sons committed. So please explain why Biden should get a pass just because he happens to be running for President.

At the end of the day, many Republicans don't view this whole thing as "foreign interference" in an election, but trumped up political charges brought by Democrats who have been trying to remove the President for any and every reason since the day he was elected.

And I'm sure if the Obama administration were asking foreign governments for dirt on Trump back in 2015/16, you'd condemn that too, right?

Yes, we would. That's the difference between us and the so-called party of personal responsibility.

And I'm sure that you wouldn't want to get bogged down in a debate about impeachment as you call it. That would just prove that you are Republican first and American second. And you're crying and whining and moaning and simpering about but the Democrats would do it to just makes you seem pathetic. Pathetic.

[cinyc]

Never, ever said that Biden's son is beyond scrutiny.  We're talking about asking a foreign governement to investigate a man because he's running for President.  If you think Biden's son committed a crime (or Biden), sure, please elaborate on what crime you think he committed?  We have a functioning criminal justice system in this country that is capable of investigating potential crimes.  I've yet to hear from Trump a single crime that he thinks Joe Biden committed.  If you've heard Trump articulate an alleged crime that needs to be pursued, please let me and everyone else know.  Our criminal justice system, especially under Bill Barr, would definitely pick that up and begin an investigation.  So far, all I've heard from Trump is that we need to "look into" Biden.  Trump is not a law enforcement officer.  Its not his job to investigate anyone.  Period.

If Republicans don't view this as foreign interference, I unfortunately can't change ignorance.  Do you have another word for asking the Ukrainian Prime Minister to investigate Joe Biden?  Can you explain why Trump NEVER expressed an interest in this supposed issue until the Democratic Primary commeneced?  Can you, again, name a single crime that there is evidence Biden committed?

How do you expect the Attorney General to investigate the Bidens' potentially criminal activity in Ukraine without help from Ukraine? That's precisely what Trump asked the Ukranian President to do - cooperate with the AG about potential wrongdoing.

As for the alleged "crime", Joe Biden bragged on tape that he got the former Ukraine AG-equivalent prosecutor fired. That prosecutor claims he was fired because he was looking into the company for which Hunter Biden was on the board of directors. Don't American people deserve to know whether the sitting Vice President of the United States was abusing his power to enrich his son? Why are Democrats so scared that Trump asked for this to be investigated? Are they afraid of the answer?

And you're damn right I would have called Obama out if he did that.  It would have been a repugnant abuse of his office.

I'll hold you to that once the U.S. Attorney for Connecticut's probe into the origins of the Russian investigation is complete.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

I don't even support Trump, but I'm pointing out that your side violates human rights.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Never, ever said that Biden's son is beyond scrutiny.  We're talking about asking a foreign governement to investigate a man because he's running for President.  If you think Biden's son committed a crime (or Biden), sure, please elaborate on what crime you think he committed?  We have a functioning criminal justice system in this country that is capable of investigating potential crimes.  I've yet to hear from Trump a single crime that he thinks Joe Biden committed.  If you've heard Trump articulate an alleged crime that needs to be pursued, please let me and everyone else know.  Our criminal justice system, especially under Bill Barr, would definitely pick that up and begin an investigation.  So far, all I've heard from Trump is that we need to "look into" Biden.  Trump is not a law enforcement officer.  Its not his job to investigate anyone.  Period.

If Republicans don't view this as foreign interference, I unfortunately can't change ignorance.  Do you have another word for asking the Ukrainian Prime Minister to investigate Joe Biden?  Can you explain why Trump NEVER expressed an interest in this supposed issue until the Democratic Primary commeneced?  Can you, again, name a single crime that there is evidence Biden committed?

How do you expect the Attorney General to investigate the Bidens' potentially criminal activity in Ukraine without help from Ukraine? That's precisely what Trump asked the Ukranian President to do - cooperate with the AG about potential wrongdoing.

As for the alleged "crime", Joe Biden bragged on tape that he got the former Ukraine AG-equivalent prosecutor fired. That prosecutor claims he was fired because he was looking into the company for which Hunter Biden was on the board of directors. Don't American people deserve to know whether the sitting Vice President of the United States was abusing his power to enrich his son? Why are Democrats so scared that Trump asked for this to be investigated? Are they afraid of the answer?

And you're damn right I would have called Obama out if he did that.  It would have been a repugnant abuse of his office.

I'll hold you to that once the U.S. Attorney for Connecticut's probe into the origins of the Russian investigation is complete.

My god you’re a Fox News sheep like literally everything you posted has been debunked weeks ago and that’s not even getting into the bs about the Russian investigation

[Green Line]

Never, ever said that Biden's son is beyond scrutiny.  We're talking about asking a foreign governement to investigate a man because he's running for President.  If you think Biden's son committed a crime (or Biden), sure, please elaborate on what crime you think he committed?  We have a functioning criminal justice system in this country that is capable of investigating potential crimes.  I've yet to hear from Trump a single crime that he thinks Joe Biden committed.  If you've heard Trump articulate an alleged crime that needs to be pursued, please let me and everyone else know.  Our criminal justice system, especially under Bill Barr, would definitely pick that up and begin an investigation.  So far, all I've heard from Trump is that we need to "look into" Biden.  Trump is not a law enforcement officer.  Its not his job to investigate anyone.  Period.

If Republicans don't view this as foreign interference, I unfortunately can't change ignorance.  Do you have another word for asking the Ukrainian Prime Minister to investigate Joe Biden?  Can you explain why Trump NEVER expressed an interest in this supposed issue until the Democratic Primary commeneced?  Can you, again, name a single crime that there is evidence Biden committed?

How do you expect the Attorney General to investigate the Bidens' potentially criminal activity in Ukraine without help from Ukraine? That's precisely what Trump asked the Ukranian President to do - cooperate with the AG about potential wrongdoing.

As for the alleged "crime", Joe Biden bragged on tape that he got the former Ukraine AG-equivalent prosecutor fired. That prosecutor claims he was fired because he was looking into the company for which Hunter Biden was on the board of directors. Don't American people deserve to know whether the sitting Vice President of the United States was abusing his power to enrich his son? Why are Democrats so scared that Trump asked for this to be investigated? Are they afraid of the answer?

And you're damn right I would have called Obama out if he did that.  It would have been a repugnant abuse of his office.

I'll hold you to that once the U.S. Attorney for Connecticut's probe into the origins of the Russian investigation is complete.

Ugh.. really dissapointing that you're just parroting talking points now.  Trump isn't asking for "help" from Ukraine to assist in an ongoing investigation.  If the US needs help from Ukraine to assist in the investigation of US law violations, US prosecutors would be reaching out to Ukraine.  You're just being ridiculous now.  To repeat: Donald Trump is not a law enforcement officer.  He has no knowledge of US law.  If the US Justice Department was concerned that Joe Biden had violated US laws, they would be investigating it.  If they need help from Ukraine, they would ask for it.

Dude, you're just lying now.  Joe Biden called for the firing of the Ukraine AG because he WASNT prosecuting corruption.  This has been extensively covered by every news organization including Fox News.  Pretty much every Western (NATO, EU) country was calling for the removal of the prosecutor because he was awful.  I'm not afraid of any answers man.  If US law enforcement thinks laws were violated, LET THEM OPEN AN INVESTIGATION.

And sorry, but one more thing.  You again didn't answer the question:  What is the crime you think Joe Biden committed?   He did get the prosecutor fired.  Nobody doubts that.  It was a goal of many Republican Senators including Ron Johnson.  You STILL haven't named a potential crime that needs investigation.

[cinyc]

Yes, we would. That's the difference between us and the so-called party of personal responsibility.

I'll hold you to that once the U.S. Attorney for Connecticut's investigation into the origins of the Russia probe are complete, too.

And I'm sure that you wouldn't want to get bogged down in a debate about impeachment as you call it. That would just prove that you are Republican first and American second. And you're crying and whining and moaning and simpering about but the Democrats would do it to just makes you seem pathetic. Pathetic.

This whole idea that if you oppose impeachment you're not an American is pure, unadulterated BS. Sorry. This isn't a dictatorship where anything but the Badger way (a.k.a. the Democratic party way) is "un-American." Funny how dissent from the Democratic party line is never "patriotic" - but "un-American" or racist or some other ist, and Republicans can't be Americans, too.

[136or142]

One thing that seems to have been over looked in this regarding any investigation into Joe Biden and his son.  The Justice Department is supposed to be independent from the President.  Certainly the relevant Justice Department employees can investigate this matter if there is anything to it, and they can contact Ukrainian officials if need be, but for the President to do it is an abuse of power plain and simple.

It's no different than a President (like Richard Nixon) demanding that his enemies be audited.  Given Trump's ease with abusing his office, I'd be surprised if Trump hasn't already done that.

[Badger]

Yes, we would. That's the difference between us and the so-called party of personal responsibility.

I'll hold you to that once the U.S. Attorney for Connecticut's investigation into the origins of the Russia probe are complete, too.

And I'm sure that you wouldn't want to get bogged down in a debate about impeachment as you call it. That would just prove that you are Republican first and American second. And you're crying and whining and moaning and simpering about but the Democrats would do it to just makes you seem pathetic. Pathetic.

This whole idea that if you oppose impeachment you're not an American is pure, unadulterated BS. Sorry. This isn't a dictatorship where anything but the Badger way (a.k.a. the Democratic party way) is "un-American." Funny how dissent from the Democratic party line is never "patriotic" - but "un-American" or racist or some other ist, and Republicans can't be Americans, too.

One. You keep yammering on about this debunked Connecticut investigation of the Russian probe. This is a fundamental problem. Right-wingers like you are basically the equivalent of flat earthers. You believe in s*** that does not exist, and thus trying to convince you to fax is useless.

Two. Supporting. A complete. Breakdown. Of. Checks. And. Balances. Along. With. Widespread. Unparalleled. Corruption. By. The. President. Is. Not. A. Partisan. Position!

Good to see that you blatantly support party over country. Hack.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Mean people on twitter doesn't excuse support for authoritarianism/foreign election interference.  I wish Republicans weren't so sensitive.  Their feelings are literally tearing this country apart.

"Basket of deplorables" Hillary Clinton wasn't some "mean person on Twitter". She was your party's presidential candidate. And why is it that only the people who disagree with you are "sensitive" and "tearing this country apart?"

Ah yes, basket of deplorables.  The one quote that every Trump supporter will turn to in a heart beat.  Its been discussed to death, dissected, and apoligized for.  It did sound pretty bad in 2016 I have to agree.  Sadly, you only have to listen to about 5 minutes of a Trump 2020 rally to see that this was a very tame description.  I won't even begin to try and transcribe the quotes from his recent rallys on here - I'd probably get banned.  We're far, far beyond "basket of deplorables" in our political discourse.  It honestly sounds so tame in the Trump era that it is almost cute.


The "sensitive" people are tearing this country apart because they're supporting a President who openly and proudly colludes with foreign governments to interfere in our elections.  I haven't even heard a rebuttal from you on this topic, amazingly.  You're just bringing up Hillary, from THREE years ago.  Please address the President asking for a foreign government to investigate Joe Biden with a straight face.

Trump also doesn’t have the shame to hide all this , he literally publicly asked Ukraine and China to investigate Biden .

Exactly my friend.  And yet we still have to talk about "alleged" crimes as if we're living in an alternate universe.  He proudly takes credit for it.

Yah agreed though they are right in one way that he doesn’t do this because of corruption but they don’t know that makes it worse for him and the reason is .


Trump literally thinks he is the king of America and thinks he can do what ever he wants and has the power to create any law he wants or nullify any law he wants for him personally. That’s worse than corruption cause that means he has 0 respect what so ever about the rule of law , the constitution in general .


That’s why Trump has been so open about breaking the law because he literally think the law doesn’t apply to him

[Hindsight was 2020]

Yes, we would. That's the difference between us and the so-called party of personal responsibility.

I'll hold you to that once the U.S. Attorney for Connecticut's investigation into the origins of the Russia probe are complete, too.

And I'm sure that you wouldn't want to get bogged down in a debate about impeachment as you call it. That would just prove that you are Republican first and American second. And you're crying and whining and moaning and simpering about but the Democrats would do it to just makes you seem pathetic. Pathetic.

This whole idea that if you oppose impeachment you're not an American is pure, unadulterated BS. Sorry. This isn't a dictatorship where anything but the Badger way (a.k.a. the Democratic party way) is "un-American." Funny how dissent from the Democratic party line is never "patriotic" - but "un-American" or racist or some other ist, and Republicans can't be Americans, too.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=322265.msg6840401#msg6840401

[cinyc]

One. You keep yammering on about this debunked Connecticut investigation of the Russian probe. This is a fundamental problem. Right-wingers like you are basically the equivalent of flat earthers. You believe in s*** that does not exist, and thus trying to convince you to fax is useless.

That's not debunked. It is ongoing.

Two. Supporting. A complete. Breakdown. Of. Checks. And. Balances. Along. With. Widespread. Unparalleled. Corruption. By. The. President. Is. Not. A. Partisan. Position!

Good to see that you blatantly support party over country. Hack.

Republicans claimed there was a "complete breakdown of checks and balances" during the Obama administration. They even held Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, if I recall correctly. That wasn't true then. It's not true now. Checks and balances are working just fine. Things have a way of working themselves out, even on impeachment.

I'm old enough to remember when Democrats like you said the same thing about "unparalleled corruption" about practically every previous Republican president - and Republicans about previous Democratic presidents. Wasn't true then. Isn't true now. Crying wolf in the past doesn't help make anyone believe you today, either.

And sorry, people who disagree with you aren't un-American or putting party over country. Incessantly repeating that claim doesn't make it so. Dissent is supposed to be patriotic, right? Apparently, that only applies to dissent by Democrats like you.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

What should become of me, The Arizonan. How should I be punished?

You will not be allowed to leave Florida and you will be Greg Gianforte's latest victim.

By the way, I was watching a YouTube video which featured a clip of a Jerry Springer episode that had Klansmen and Irv Rubin of the JDL on it. Irv Rubin could fight pretty well when he was an old guy back in his time. There's something cathartic about watching videos like that.

You seem pretty fixated on fighting. Kinda alarming tbh.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I don't support Trump, but I understand why other Republicans do.

So why do they support a bully, tyrant, liar, conman who is about to be impeached?

I mentioned it earlier: Democrats are not any better.

People disagree about when life begins, but at a certain point in the pregnancy the fetus is objectively a person.  Yet many Democrats, including presidential candidates, think it's okay to rip those babies into pieces.  This is evil and needs to be called out.

I know this makes you feel better, but like most things emanating from the contemporary right, it's unmitigated bullsh!+. Democratic-leaning voters couldn't even stomach Hillary Clinton, to say nothing of a racist p***y-grabber who encouraged political violence. Unfortunately, I have to conclude that anyone who would vote for the latter is trash, because I have actually values. 

Do you think that ripping apart viable babies is okay?  Because if you do, you have no moral standing to criticize anyone.

Translation, As Long As Trump is Andi abortion and not literally cancelling elections, everything's scummy and dangerous to American democracy he does is fine with me.

And that's why you deserve zero respect

The above is a personal attack on a poster who has the human decency you can only dream of. 

That people attack me, I understand.  I'm combative at times, and I'm not beyond deliberately putting in a dig occasionally on someone being obnoxious.  But your personal attack on Cаквояжник is uncalled for.  He's not a Trump apologist (although my comment would apply even if he were), and if he's going to support/vote for Trump in 2020, he hasn't said so yet, but he's got the intellectual honesty to point out why Evangelical Christians would vote for Trump, given the fact that an American election represents a binary choice with policy consequences determined by the winner.  (And our President is just that; our President.  He's not our Savior and he's not our Pastor.)

If you want to go the slimebag route of ad hominem attacks, I'm online right now.  Stick to me, dude.  Because Cаквояжник is out of your league, ethically, morally, and intellectually.

[Badger]

One. You keep yammering on about this debunked Connecticut investigation of the Russian probe. This is a fundamental problem. Right-wingers like you are basically the equivalent of flat earthers. You believe in s*** that does not exist, and thus trying to convince you to fax is useless.

That's not debunked. It is ongoing.

Two. Supporting. A complete. Breakdown. Of. Checks. And. Balances. Along. With. Widespread. Unparalleled. Corruption. By. The. President. Is. Not. A. Partisan. Position!

Good to see that you blatantly support party over country. Hack.

Republicans claimed there was a "complete breakdown of checks and balances" during the Obama administration. They even held Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, if I recall correctly. That wasn't true then. It's not true now. Checks and balances are working just fine. Things have a way of working themselves out, even on impeachment.

I'm old enough to remember when Democrats like you said the same thing about "unparalleled corruption" about practically every previous Republican president - and Republicans about previous Democratic presidents. Wasn't true then. Isn't true now. Crying wolf in the past doesn't help make anyone believe you today, either.

And sorry, people who disagree with you aren't un-American or putting party over country. Incessantly repeating that claim doesn't make it so. Dissent is supposed to be patriotic, right? Apparently, that only applies to dissent by Democrats like you.

If Republicans really believed that there was a real break down and checks and balances because of Eric Holder under the Obama Administration, but did so because they truly value America not because Obama was a democrat in Trump is a republican, the relative complaints under Obama would be bordering on armed Insurrection under Trump. That's the point. They give Trump a pass for things which are by any objective standards literally a hundred times worse on the score because he's a republican pursuing their policies. You are evidently exhibit any of this contemptible mentality.

You just don't get it, do you? Writing off a fundamental salt on the American system of checks and balances is not a " disagreement of political views". There is nothing warranting respect of " differing opinions" on the subject if you have an ounce of patriotism. Disagree on abortion? Fine. Taxes? Ditto? Universal healthcare? I believe you were abused posing it lead to economic inefficiency and pernicious levels of hardship Trotter country, but at least you have the right to your opinion. However, saying that trumps fundamental wannabe authoritarian actions are not up for dispute if you anything remotely resembling an American. And this goes ee, no, * 10, for any right-wing partisan hack such as yourself who whined about such so-called abuses of authority under Obama, but are blind such abuse has magnified by a hundred so long as it's their guy.

This isn't about difference of opinion. It's whether or not you were willing to accept a fundamental assault on checks and balances and limitations on the power of the presidency, Plus blatantly and shamelessly using the Oval Office for corrupt self-dealing, so long as it's someone from your party.

The only difference of opinion here is whether or not you're an unpatriotic partisan hack or not. Thank you for confirming the former.

( post yammering on about difference of opinions and how Democrats can't accept them, completely ignoring the substance of my post, in coming in five... 4... 3...)

[Green Line]

Ugh.. I just want Cynic to tell me what the crime is that he thinks Joe Biden allegedly committed?  The crime that requires the President to conduct his own personal investigation outside boundries of US law enforcement?

Please... don't keep me waiting.

[Nyvin]

One. You keep yammering on about this debunked Connecticut investigation of the Russian probe. This is a fundamental problem. Right-wingers like you are basically the equivalent of flat earthers. You believe in s*** that does not exist, and thus trying to convince you to fax is useless.

That's not debunked. It is ongoing.

Two. Supporting. A complete. Breakdown. Of. Checks. And. Balances. Along. With. Widespread. Unparalleled. Corruption. By. The. President. Is. Not. A. Partisan. Position!

Good to see that you blatantly support party over country. Hack.

Republicans claimed there was a "complete breakdown of checks and balances" during the Obama administration. They even held Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, if I recall correctly. That wasn't true then. It's not true now. Checks and balances are working just fine. Things have a way of working themselves out, even on impeachment.

I'm old enough to remember when Democrats like you said the same thing about "unparalleled corruption" about practically every previous Republican president - and Republicans about previous Democratic presidents. Wasn't true then. Isn't true now. Crying wolf in the past doesn't help make anyone believe you today, either.

And sorry, people who disagree with you aren't un-American or putting party over country. Incessantly repeating that claim doesn't make it so. Dissent is supposed to be patriotic, right? Apparently, that only applies to dissent by Democrats like you.

Compare how many indictments/criminal convictions Republican Administrations have to how many Democratic Administrations have in the last ~50 years.   

That will show you that one side simply follows law and order and the other chases after nonsense conspiracy theories.

Why after 4 years of investigations were Republicans not able to put forward ONE single indictment against any Obama official for Benghazi???   FOUR YEARS of investigations, and NOTHING.

[cinyc]

One. You keep yammering on about this debunked Connecticut investigation of the Russian probe. This is a fundamental problem. Right-wingers like you are basically the equivalent of flat earthers. You believe in s*** that does not exist, and thus trying to convince you to fax is useless.

That's not debunked. It is ongoing.

Two. Supporting. A complete. Breakdown. Of. Checks. And. Balances. Along. With. Widespread. Unparalleled. Corruption. By. The. President. Is. Not. A. Partisan. Position!

Good to see that you blatantly support party over country. Hack.

Republicans claimed there was a "complete breakdown of checks and balances" during the Obama administration. They even held Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, if I recall correctly. That wasn't true then. It's not true now. Checks and balances are working just fine. Things have a way of working themselves out, even on impeachment.

I'm old enough to remember when Democrats like you said the same thing about "unparalleled corruption" about practically every previous Republican president - and Republicans about previous Democratic presidents. Wasn't true then. Isn't true now. Crying wolf in the past doesn't help make anyone believe you today, either.

And sorry, people who disagree with you aren't un-American or putting party over country. Incessantly repeating that claim doesn't make it so. Dissent is supposed to be patriotic, right? Apparently, that only applies to dissent by Democrats like you.

If Republicans really believed that there was a real break down and checks and balances because of Eric Holder under the Obama Administration, but did so because they truly value America not because Obama was a democrat in Trump is a republican, the relative complaints under Obama would be bordering on armed Insurrection under Trump. That's the point. They give Trump a pass for things which are by any objective standards literally a hundred times worse on the score because he's a republican pursuing their policies. You are evidently exhibit any of this contemptible mentality.

You just don't get it, do you? Writing off a fundamental salt on the American system of checks and balances is not a " disagreement of political views". There is nothing warranting respect of " differing opinions" on the subject if you have an ounce of patriotism. Disagree on abortion? Fine. Taxes? Ditto? Universal healthcare? I believe you were abused posing it lead to economic inefficiency and pernicious levels of hardship Trotter country, but at least you have the right to your opinion. However, saying that trumps fundamental wannabe authoritarian actions are not up for dispute if you anything remotely resembling an American. And this goes ee, no, * 10, for any right-wing partisan hack such as yourself who whined about such so-called abuses of authority under Obama, but are blind such abuse has magnified by a hundred so long as it's their guy.

This isn't about difference of opinion. It's whether or not you were willing to accept a fundamental assault on checks and balances and limitations on the power of the presidency, Plus blatantly and shamelessly using the Oval Office for corrupt self-dealing, so long as it's someone from your party.

The only difference of opinion here is whether or not you're an unpatriotic partisan hack or not. Thank you for confirming the former.

( post yammering on about difference of opinions and how Democrats can't accept them, completely ignoring the substance of my post, in coming in five... 4... 3...)

To be honest, I have a hard time following your response, probably because your dictation software stinks.

What assault on checks and balances? Like I said, these things have a way of working themselves out. The House hasn’t voted for a formal impeachment inquiry yet. There will likely be cooperation when they do. Until then, the administration has an absolute right to claim executive privilege, like for any other routine House investigation.

And what shamelessly using the Oval Office for corrupt self-dealing? Trump is losing money by being president, not making it. The MSNBC-driven Emoluments clause conspiracy theory has been debunked by the federal courts.

Despite claiming to be a Republican, you don’t like President Trump or any other Republican politician. And that’s okay. It’s your right. But calling those who support Trump un-American is pure BS.