2024 Third Party and Independent Candidate General discussion

[PSOL]

And there’s another challenger to Cornel West going by Daví recognized by the party

Any talk of No Labels should probably be merged into this thread

Is that Randy Toler's other name now?

No, it’s some new age candidate

[PSOL]

This excellent article from Current Affairs demolishes the DNC talking points against Cornel West

Socratic Gadfly gives his opinions and knowledge on the current field

All new people with very little internet traces.

[PSOL]

Former LNC Vice Chairman to run for president

[PSOL]

https://twitter.com/JoshuaAtLarge/status/1683151947061248003?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw...

[PSOL]

The schedule for the GPUS ANM is released

[Comrade Funk]

https://twitter.com/JoshuaAtLarge/status/1683151947061248003?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw...

There's a reason this party has crashed and burned in recent years. The above is embarrassing even for third party standards.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

https://twitter.com/JoshuaAtLarge/status/1683151947061248003?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw...

There's a reason this party has crashed and burned in recent years. The above is embarrassing even for third party standards.

This is quite mild compared to the stuff posted every day by the NH and CO (RIP) LP's

[PSOL]

So far locally the party apparatus seems strong and able to elect candidates. 2023 and 2024 will be the real test runs to see where the Libertarian party stands.

[MichaelM24]

Speaking of the Libertarians, Donald Rainwater is again running for governor of Indiana. In 2020, he 11.4% (and in one-third of the counties here, he beat out the Democrat). He's not going to do nearly as well this time around, I'd imagine, but I hope that he can put in a good showing (and I say that as someone who didn't vote for him).

[Lief 🗽]

No wonder he has such an affinity for a fellow tax cheat, his “brother” Donald Trump. Probably still furious that Biden beefed up IRS enforcement.
https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1687070853857419265?s=46&t=o2RmfeV6...

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[PSOL]

There’s been a major shake-up inside the LNC where a LNC Rep and Executive Director have stepped down for personal ventures.

[PSOL]

No Labels on ten states

In addition to North Carolina and Arizona, No Labels has secured ballot access in Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Nevada, Oregon, South Dakota, and Utah. Readers of Independent Political Report can access a full copy of the press release here.

The last stand against the Mises caucus is going hard

[AltWorlder]

On leftish semi-household names:

What are the chances that RFK Jr. and/or Marianne Williamson might run third party?

Williamson unlikely, she didn't in 2020 and her lane seems to have been completely dominated by the others-

RFK Jr. would have had a strong chance if not for Cornel West's entrance. He might still do so though. How ironic and ignominious it'd be if he ended up being the People's Party candidate.

Wonder who the People's Party would do otherwise. Guess this isn't Jimmy Dore's year, wondering if he'll ever run.

Ditto for Tulsi Gabbard.

Editorial: why is it that so many of these prominent disaffected progressive-left (dissident left?) figures seem so outlandish and outright compromised compared to past candidates like Ralph Nader? By that I mean holding fringe conspiracy theory beliefs such as anti-vaxx, weirdly conservative positions (such as West praising DeSantis' education policies), and the usual ties to Russia stuff.

Bernie Sanders, Howie Hawkins, and Gloria La Riva seem so much more straightforwardly left-of-mainstream in comparison. Did Jill Stein kick off this trend? Or Cynthia McKinney? Roseanne Barr?

[MarkD]

No Labels on ten states

In addition to North Carolina and Arizona, No Labels has secured ballot access in Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Nevada, Oregon, South Dakota, and Utah. Readers of Independent Political Report can access a full copy of the press release here.

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They shouldn't count on getting ballot access in Oklahoma, which is clearly the hardest state for third parties to gain access.
Be that as it may, I'm looking forward to finding out more about No Labels and what are certain stances that are going to be taken by their nominee.

[PSOL]

No Labels on ten states

In addition to North Carolina and Arizona, No Labels has secured ballot access in Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Nevada, Oregon, South Dakota, and Utah. Readers of Independent Political Report can access a full copy of the press release here.

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They shouldn't count on getting ballot access in Oklahoma, which is clearly the hardest state for third parties to gain access.
Be that as it may, I'm looking forward to finding out more about No Labels and what are certain stances that are going to be taken by their nominee.

You missed it, it now cost 35 grand to be on the ballot in OK now

a petition to remove Ardle is circulating

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

On leftish semi-household names:

What are the chances that RFK Jr. and/or Marianne Williamson might run third party?

Williamson unlikely, she didn't in 2020 and her lane seems to have been completely dominated by the others-

RFK Jr. would have had a strong chance if not for Cornel West's entrance. He might still do so though. How ironic and ignominious it'd be if he ended up being the People's Party candidate.

Wonder who the People's Party would do otherwise. Guess this isn't Jimmy Dore's year, wondering if he'll ever run.

Ditto for Tulsi Gabbard.

Editorial: why is it that so many of these prominent disaffected progressive-left (dissident left?) figures seem so outlandish and outright compromised compared to past candidates like Ralph Nader? By that I mean holding fringe conspiracy theory beliefs such as anti-vaxx, weirdly conservative positions (such as West praising DeSantis' education policies), and the usual ties to Russia stuff.

Bernie Sanders, Howie Hawkins, and Gloria La Riva seem so much more straightforwardly left-of-mainstream in comparison. Did Jill Stein kick off this trend? Or Cynthia McKinney? Roseanne Barr?

I reckon Marianne will endorse Biden, and RFK Jr will endorse Cornel West.

[PSOL]

RFK Jr and Cornel West have no transferable voters, as Jr represents the remaining conservadems left and Cornel attracts left wing and an incalculable amount of disaffected black voters. They are diametrically opposed outside of wanting aid to Ukraine to stop, as even with that they have different plans for it.

[AltWorlder]

RFK Jr and Cornel West have no transferable voters, as Jr represents the remaining conservadems left and Cornel attracts left wing and an incalculable amount of disaffected black voters. They are diametrically opposed outside of wanting aid to Ukraine to stop, as even with that they have different plans for it.

Imagine the fringe votes they will pull from a fringe unity ticket

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

RFK Jr and Cornel West have no transferable voters, as Jr represents the remaining conservadems left and Cornel attracts left wing and an incalculable amount of disaffected black voters. They are diametrically opposed outside of wanting aid to Ukraine to stop, as even with that they have different plans for it.

I actually disagree. I think RFK Jr will end up doing better than expected with black voters in the primary, and some of those those transfer to West.
Black democrats are the most likely democrats to be anti-vaxx, and RFK Jr has placed a lot of emphasis on reaching out to black voters, even pissing off his conservative followers when he voiced support for affirmative action.

[PSOL]

RFK Jr and Cornel West have no transferable voters, as Jr represents the remaining conservadems left and Cornel attracts left wing and an incalculable amount of disaffected black voters. They are diametrically opposed outside of wanting aid to Ukraine to stop, as even with that they have different plans for it.

I actually disagree. I think RFK Jr will end up doing better than expected with black voters in the primary, and some of those those transfer to West.
Black democrats are the most likely democrats to be anti-vaxx, and RFK Jr has placed a lot of emphasis on reaching out to black voters, even pissing off his conservative followers when he voiced support for affirmative action.

Does polling or any evidence suggest such a strategy is working? Jr’s supporters skew old, rich, and white who were probably anti-Sanders primary voters. So far I don’t see the energy that Jr’s virtue signaling is working.

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

RFK Jr and Cornel West have no transferable voters, as Jr represents the remaining conservadems left and Cornel attracts left wing and an incalculable amount of disaffected black voters. They are diametrically opposed outside of wanting aid to Ukraine to stop, as even with that they have different plans for it.

I actually disagree. I think RFK Jr will end up doing better than expected with black voters in the primary, and some of those those transfer to West.
Black democrats are the most likely democrats to be anti-vaxx, and RFK Jr has placed a lot of emphasis on reaching out to black voters, even pissing off his conservative followers when he voiced support for affirmative action.

Does polling or any evidence suggest such a strategy is working? Jr’s supporters skew old, rich, and white who were probably anti-Sanders primary voters. So far I don’t see the energy that Jr’s virtue signaling is working.

Well I thought it was interesting that he polled at 20% in South Carolina while he's polling in single digits in New Hampshire.
I haven't seen any racial crosstabs for the dem primary so far.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

RFK Jr and Cornel West have no transferable voters, as Jr represents the remaining conservadems left and Cornel attracts left wing and an incalculable amount of disaffected black voters. They are diametrically opposed outside of wanting aid to Ukraine to stop, as even with that they have different plans for it.

I actually disagree. I think RFK Jr will end up doing better than expected with black voters in the primary, and some of those those transfer to West.
Black democrats are the most likely democrats to be anti-vaxx, and RFK Jr has placed a lot of emphasis on reaching out to black voters, even pissing off his conservative followers when he voiced support for affirmative action.

Does polling or any evidence suggest such a strategy is working? Jr’s supporters skew old, rich, and white who were probably anti-Sanders primary voters. So far I don’t see the energy that Jr’s virtue signaling is working.

Well I thought it was interesting that he polled at 20% in South Carolina while he's polling in single digits in New Hampshire.
I haven't seen any racial crosstabs for the dem primary so far.

Almost certainly he's doing better among blacks than whites.

[The Mikado]

RFK Jr and Cornel West have no transferable voters, as Jr represents the remaining conservadems left and Cornel attracts left wing and an incalculable amount of disaffected black voters. They are diametrically opposed outside of wanting aid to Ukraine to stop, as even with that they have different plans for it.

Not sure that word means what you think it means. Pretty sure numbers that relatively low can be calculated relatively easily.

[PSOL]

RFK Jr and Cornel West have no transferable voters, as Jr represents the remaining conservadems left and Cornel attracts left wing and an incalculable amount of disaffected black voters. They are diametrically opposed outside of wanting aid to Ukraine to stop, as even with that they have different plans for it.

Not sure that word means what you think it means. Pretty sure numbers that relatively low can be calculated relatively easily.

Who knows at this point, according to BAR and Jilly it’s a thing.

Anyway, in more evidence of Green Derangement Syndrome, the Biden campaign apparently believes in the polls enough to launch a major attack on the Cornel Campaign to run them dry] link=topic=425286.msg9170141#msg9170141 date=1692242499 uid=18714]
RFK Jr and Cornel West have no transferable voters, as Jr represents the remaining conservadems left and Cornel attracts left wing and an incalculable amount of disaffected black voters. They are diametrically opposed outside of wanting aid to Ukraine to stop, as even with that they have different plans for it.
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Not sure that word means what you think it means. Pretty sure numbers that relatively low can be calculated relatively easily.
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Who knows at this point, according to BAR and Jilly it’s a thing.

Anyway, in more evidence of Green Derangement Syndrome, the Biden campaign apparently believes in the polls enough to launch a major attack on the Cornel Campaign to run them dry. They brought in some ballot access guru to strategize how to ensure to keep the small fish out of their pond, even though they are more freshwater fish feeding in a different pool of voters. I guess Biden’s team knows that turnout and changing minds are not part of the program as reasonable ways to win, but the small number of voters willing to switch their votes to third parties would be wooed back if trump and Biden were only on the ballot.