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« Reply #525 on: February 06, 2020, 08:49:56 PM »



It's hilarious how the Woke crowd always cannibalize. This happened with Buttigieg and now with Warren. It has happened so many times. Kamala's campaign had staffers come out about being treated poorly, Klobuchar's campaign same thing...every Democratic campaign seems to have an issue.

 Warren has already said the buck stops with her and she takes responsibility. That she will get to the bottom of it and do better going forward

 I suppose you find Trump and his campaign staff's awful behavior and never apologize ethos more comforting and reflective of your own morals.
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« Reply #526 on: February 07, 2020, 09:19:23 AM »



It's hilarious how the Woke crowd always cannibalize. This happened with Buttigieg and now with Warren. It has happened so many times. Kamala's campaign had staffers come out about being treated poorly, Klobuchar's campaign same thing...every Democratic campaign seems to have an issue.

 Warren has already said the buck stops with her and she takes responsibility. That she will get to the bottom of it and do better going forward

 I suppose you find Trump and his campaign staff's awful behavior and never apologize ethos more comforting and reflective of your own morals.
If the responsibility falls on Warren then shouldn't she be blamed for what already happened?
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« Reply #527 on: February 07, 2020, 09:30:03 AM »



It's hilarious how the Woke crowd always cannibalize. This happened with Buttigieg and now with Warren. It has happened so many times. Kamala's campaign had staffers come out about being treated poorly, Klobuchar's campaign same thing...every Democratic campaign seems to have an issue.

 Warren has already said the buck stops with her and she takes responsibility. That she will get to the bottom of it and do better going forward

 I suppose you find Trump and his campaign staff's awful behavior and never apologize ethos more comforting and reflective of your own morals.
If the responsibility falls on Warren then shouldn't she be blamed for what already happened?

Blamed?  No.  Held responsible?  Yes.  I think there's an important, if small, difference.
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« Reply #528 on: February 07, 2020, 09:34:05 AM »



It's hilarious how the Woke crowd always cannibalize. This happened with Buttigieg and now with Warren. It has happened so many times. Kamala's campaign had staffers come out about being treated poorly, Klobuchar's campaign same thing...every Democratic campaign seems to have an issue.

 Warren has already said the buck stops with her and she takes responsibility. That she will get to the bottom of it and do better going forward

 I suppose you find Trump and his campaign staff's awful behavior and never apologize ethos more comforting and reflective of your own morals.
If the responsibility falls on Warren then shouldn't she be blamed for what already happened?

Blamed?  No.  Held responsible?  Yes.  I think there's an important, if small, difference.

Warren should be held responsible for something she doesn't get blamed for? Okay. How are you holding her responsible? Are people refusing to vote for her? Will they stop donating? There is no accountability.
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« Reply #529 on: February 07, 2020, 09:41:06 AM »



It's hilarious how the Woke crowd always cannibalize. This happened with Buttigieg and now with Warren. It has happened so many times. Kamala's campaign had staffers come out about being treated poorly, Klobuchar's campaign same thing...every Democratic campaign seems to have an issue.

 Warren has already said the buck stops with her and she takes responsibility. That she will get to the bottom of it and do better going forward

 I suppose you find Trump and his campaign staff's awful behavior and never apologize ethos more comforting and reflective of your own morals.
If the responsibility falls on Warren then shouldn't she be blamed for what already happened?

Blamed?  No.  Held responsible?  Yes.  I think there's an important, if small, difference.

Warren should be held responsible for something she doesn't get blamed for? Okay. How are you holding her responsible? Are people refusing to vote for her? Will they stop donating? There is no accountability.

I think continued support is contingent on whether she accepts responsibility and does what she can to make things right.  Which she's doing.
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« Reply #530 on: February 07, 2020, 09:42:26 AM »

Warren is cancelling ad time in NV and SC:



Money wins Super Tuesday. She's pulling ads from Nevada and South Carolina where everybody is focusing and trying to put it towards Super Tuesday where you can sneak in and have a good showing in a state or two.

Would it matter if she drops out before Super Tuesday. If she comes a distant 3/4th in NH & Nevada & 4th in SC, her fundraising will collapse. She has a massive payroll & she will have no money for ads. Nationally she will keep talking& will go to 5% by the time Super Tuesday comes. California & Texas are expensive TV markets & you need money to compete. You need headwind, mometik, decent poll numbers, some victories.

Look @ what happened to Biden. And he is strong in Nevada & South Carolina. You need momentum.
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« Reply #531 on: February 07, 2020, 12:19:21 PM »

Warren is cancelling ad time in NV and SC:



Money wins Super Tuesday. She's pulling ads from Nevada and South Carolina where everybody is focusing and trying to put it towards Super Tuesday where you can sneak in and have a good showing in a state or two.

Would it matter if she drops out before Super Tuesday. If she comes a distant 3/4th in NH & Nevada & 4th in SC, her fundraising will collapse. She has a massive payroll & she will have no money for ads. Nationally she will keep talking& will go to 5% by the time Super Tuesday comes. California & Texas are expensive TV markets & you need money to compete. You need headwind, mometik, decent poll numbers, some victories.

Look @ what happened to Biden. And he is strong in Nevada & South Carolina. You need momentum.

What do you mean look at what happened to Biden? His campaign didn't collapse. What you need to do is stay competitive, but you don't need to win. Biden is a great example of surviving a rough state.
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« Reply #532 on: February 07, 2020, 12:51:15 PM »

Hopefully Warren does something useful and spanks Pete tonight, but the cynic in me thinks she’ll instead (again) make a horrible political calculation and go after Bernie
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« Reply #533 on: February 07, 2020, 12:54:49 PM »

Hopefully Warren does something useful and spanks Pete tonight, but the cynic in me thinks she’ll instead (again) make a horrible political calculation and go after Bernie

She should go after Biden. Everybody should go after Biden and finish him off.
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« Reply #534 on: February 07, 2020, 01:05:44 PM »

I can't imagine she'll really go after Bernie.  The best (and really only) way to win back some of Bernie's supporters is to make his case more convincingly.
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« Reply #535 on: February 07, 2020, 01:31:16 PM »

I can't imagine she'll really go after Bernie.  The best (and really only) way to win back some of Bernie's supporters is to make his case more convincingly.

Nothing she does in a debate is going to win over Sanders supporters.  She can say and do things to keep herself generally acceptable to them if she does end up the nominee, but if she's to actually pick up votes she's going to get them from Biden, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar.
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« Reply #536 on: February 07, 2020, 01:32:41 PM »

Sanders and Warren don't really have overlapping support bases anymore.
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« Reply #537 on: February 07, 2020, 02:14:50 PM »

Sanders and Warren don't really have overlapping support bases anymore.

There is a Sanders -base- that I don't think Warren can tap into.  But there are people that have been gravitating to Sanders over the past two months due to his perceived momentum that I do think Warren could win back.
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« Reply #538 on: February 07, 2020, 02:20:44 PM »

Sanders and Warren don't really have overlapping support bases anymore.

There is a Sanders -base- that I don't think Warren can tap into.  But there are people that have been gravitating to Sanders over the past two months due to his perceived momentum that I do think Warren could win back.


While coming 3rd in Iowa? 4th in NH? 4th in SC? Warren lead the CA chabge research poll. The last one had her @ half of Sanders & around viability.

No1 will jump ship now. Sanders is winning & raising huge money. Warren is losing, has no money for TV ads, no $ to compete. It is done. Too late.
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« Reply #539 on: February 07, 2020, 02:23:06 PM »

Warren is cancelling ad time in NV and SC:



Money wins Super Tuesday. She's pulling ads from Nevada and South Carolina where everybody is focusing and trying to put it towards Super Tuesday where you can sneak in and have a good showing in a state or two.

Would it matter if she drops out before Super Tuesday. If she comes a distant 3/4th in NH & Nevada & 4th in SC, her fundraising will collapse. She has a massive payroll & she will have no money for ads. Nationally she will keep talking& will go to 5% by the time Super Tuesday comes. California & Texas are expensive TV markets & you need money to compete. You need headwind, mometik, decent poll numbers, some victories.

Look @ what happened to Biden. And he is strong in Nevada & South Carolina. You need momentum.

What do you mean look at what happened to Biden? His campaign didn't collapse. What you need to do is stay competitive, but you don't need to win. Biden is a great example of surviving a rough state.

Biden has getting destroyed in the media, has fallen huge in polls & has no money to compete. He has fallen 4-5% in morning consult & Bernie gained a similar amount to overtake him for the first time. He fell bigtime. This is only getting worse.
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« Reply #540 on: February 07, 2020, 02:55:10 PM »

Warren is cancelling ad time in NV and SC:



Money wins Super Tuesday. She's pulling ads from Nevada and South Carolina where everybody is focusing and trying to put it towards Super Tuesday where you can sneak in and have a good showing in a state or two.

Would it matter if she drops out before Super Tuesday. If she comes a distant 3/4th in NH & Nevada & 4th in SC, her fundraising will collapse. She has a massive payroll & she will have no money for ads. Nationally she will keep talking& will go to 5% by the time Super Tuesday comes. California & Texas are expensive TV markets & you need money to compete. You need headwind, mometik, decent poll numbers, some victories.

Look @ what happened to Biden. And he is strong in Nevada & South Carolina. You need momentum.

What do you mean look at what happened to Biden? His campaign didn't collapse. What you need to do is stay competitive, but you don't need to win. Biden is a great example of surviving a rough state.

Biden has getting destroyed in the media, has fallen huge in polls & has no money to compete. He has fallen 4-5% in morning consult & Bernie gained a similar amount to overtake him for the first time. He fell bigtime. This is only getting worse.

I agree that his campaign fell. Losing does that. Nobody is saying the campaign won't take a hit when you lose. That would be a stupid argument. But can the campaign continue to survive? Well, the Biden campaign did survive so yes. And that's the most lopsided in terms of results and expectations that this election cycle is going to see.
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« Reply #541 on: February 08, 2020, 11:27:02 AM »

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In 2005 Warren was far from an unknown figure. She had published widely read books on middle class squeeze and consumer debt issues and her public profile was growing. But she wasn’t an elected politician and I suspect (though obviously I can’t know) had little expectation of becoming one. Certainly she was far less well known than she is today and has been for going on a decade.

So today we’re republishing the posts she wrote for the TPM Bankruptcy Bill Blog (read them here) and Warren Reports (read them here) from mid-2005 through 2008, after which she went into the Obama administration.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/tag/elizabeth-warren-archive

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« Reply #542 on: February 08, 2020, 12:53:27 PM »

She is in single digits in the CNN NH poll. She is 4% above Gabbard, that is how low she has fallen.

If this is the actual result, she should drop out after NH. This is far worse than what Biden is doing & Biden is nationally doing well & is doing well in the Southern states.
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« Reply #543 on: February 08, 2020, 12:59:40 PM »

She is in single digits in the CNN NH poll. She is 4% above Gabbard, that is how low she has fallen.

If this is the actual result, she should drop out after NH. This is far worse than what Biden is doing & Biden is nationally doing well & is doing well in the Southern states.

 You keep underestimating her. You were predicting free-falling 5th before Iowa and she was a solid third. We get you are Bernie supporter but try to be objective.

 Warren might get a serious look if Democrats and the DNC get cold feet about Bernie winning, Biden slipping, and Mayor Pete is getting raked for his thin record and no answers for the mixed to poor results he got in Indiana, especially concerning race.
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« Reply #544 on: February 08, 2020, 09:12:13 PM »

She is in single digits in the CNN NH poll. She is 4% above Gabbard, that is how low she has fallen.

If this is the actual result, she should drop out after NH. This is far worse than what Biden is doing & Biden is nationally doing well & is doing well in the Southern states.

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« Reply #545 on: February 09, 2020, 06:52:30 AM »

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« Reply #546 on: February 09, 2020, 01:33:23 PM »



Ah yes, because clearly the answer to women being erased from coverage post Iowa is to ignore the leading candidate of the two and not, say, stop erasing women from the conversation.
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« Reply #547 on: February 09, 2020, 02:42:50 PM »

Yeah, I can’t fathom how Klobuchar came out of Iowa with more favorable coverage than Warren.  Klobuchar finished fifth in what should have been one of her best states.  It really should have ended her campaign right there.
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« Reply #548 on: February 09, 2020, 03:33:22 PM »

She is in single digits in the CNN NH poll. She is 4% above Gabbard, that is how low she has fallen.

If this is the actual result, she should drop out after NH. This is far worse than what Biden is doing & Biden is nationally doing well & is doing well in the Southern states.

 You keep underestimating her. You were predicting free-falling 5th before Iowa and she was a solid third. We get you are Bernie supporter but try to be objective.

 Warren might get a serious look if Democrats and the DNC get cold feet about Bernie winning, Biden slipping, and Mayor Pete is getting raked for his thin record and no answers for the mixed to poor results he got in Indiana, especially concerning race.

As someone who strongly supported Warren for most of the cycle and is still unsure if I'd prefer Sanders to her or not, I'm not sure how I'd feel about that situation playing out. I'd love to see Warren as president but if the sole reason for her running was specifically to stop a supposedly evil socialist in Bernie Sanders, there's a real chance that my opinion of her would go down. On the flip side, I'd also be annoyed that Bernie supporters and surrogates would likely be relentlessly attacking her.
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« Reply #549 on: February 09, 2020, 03:44:20 PM »

At the McIntyre-Shaheen dinner:


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