Elizabeth Warren 2020 Megathread v2 (pg 35 - Emily List support)

[Badger]

Where are you getting this from? Warren is the least demagogue-y person in this race...

The guiding philosophy of her political campaign has been to reduce reasoned political deliberation to an aesthetic of details and seriousness.

Needless to say, the effect of this is to shut down any actual reasoned deliberation. It amazes me that so many observers fail to recognize this. All of it amounts to a massive appeal to the prejudices and emotional impulses of people who imagine themselves to be above prejudices and emotional impulses.

Aren't attention to details and seriousness the Paragon of reasoned deliberation? I have no idea what you're trying to communicate here.

[Badger]

So your entire argument for demogaugery is that she makes people who are detail-oriented feel like they're validated in a campaign?

It's demagoguery because those feelings are based in style rather than substance.

That's not the only element of it though: Warren's campaign was also characterized by the exploitation of identity-based resentments and a singular willingness to stretch the truth to fit her needs.

That last part at least is completely true. And it was her fundamental weakness as a candidate. It ultimately reduced her in many voters Minds to Hillary Clinton with a PhD.

It's sad really. If I could wave a magic wand and choose any single candidate of those who ran to be president, it would likely be worn. Unfortunately she has the Teensy little handicapped of probably not being able to beat Trump, or even have been successful winning the nomination.

[Badger]

Details literally are "substance."

Would you judge the sturdiness of a bridge by the number of pages in its design book? Of course not.



e: The candidates who most deserved to be celebrated for their policies in this cycle were Michael Bennet (Medicare X), Cory Booker (baby bonds), Julian Castro (affordable housing), and Kirsten Gillibrand (paid family leave). Warren isn't even in the top ten.

Considering the level of detail she went into for a functioning health care plan, bankruptcy protection, consumer protection, and a host of other issues, you're denigrating her on this point is simply factually inaccurate rather than a difference of opinion. One could really argue that the above-mentioned candidates had better ideas which were likewise a very detailed, but saying that Warren suffered from a lack of policy details is frankly mind-blowing considering that, again while other candidates may have had more specific policies on individual issues, across-the-board she was the most detail-oriented candidate who ran this year bar none.

[RI]

Details literally are "substance."

Would you judge the sturdiness of a bridge by the number of pages in its design book? Of course not.



e: The candidates who most deserved to be celebrated for their policies in this cycle were Michael Bennet (Medicare X), Cory Booker (baby bonds), Julian Castro (affordable housing), and Kirsten Gillibrand (paid family leave). Warren isn't even in the top ten.

Considering the level of detail she went into for a functioning health care plan, bankruptcy protection, consumer protection, and a host of other issues, you're denigrating her on this point is simply factually inaccurate rather than a difference of opinion. One could really argue that the above-mentioned candidates had better ideas which were likewise a very detailed, but saying that Warren suffered from a lack of policy details is frankly mind-blowing considering that, again while other candidates may have had more specific policies on individual issues, across-the-board she was the most detail-oriented candidate who ran this year bar none.

It's not that she lacked details; it's that her avalanche of details only served to obfuscate that her policies don't actually hold up to even slight scrutiny. It's the JJ Abrams school of illusory policymaking: if you throw enough stuff at someone at once, they can't process it all before you're on to the next thing.

[catographer]

Good candidate, good platform, lots of potential.

Bad timing (2020 instead of 2016), bad positioning (Sanders crowding out left lane), bad strategy and message.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

I don't think she should endorse anybody until a nominee wins on their own. She's done enough for Bernie basically acting as a shield for him in the debates. She doesn't owe Sanders anything especially considering how duplicitous he's always been with her campaign.

 This will probably help Biden. I think Sanders support among Warren voters is a myth.

Warren voter here.

I agree more with Sanders than Biden. And going into the GE, I am very worried that Biden and his campaign will get steamrolled by the illegal and quasi-legal activities of the RNC (and their Russian allies). So I'd prefer Sanders as the nominee, although I'd support any plausible Democratic nominee over Benedict Donald.

[Devout Centrist]

Re: 'I have a plan for that'

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

I have long had deep sympathies for Warren, even in my Moderate Hero^TM phase from 2013 to 2015, but she has never struck me as a President. She has always been the kind of person who does best serving in administration/the federal bureaucracy.

Either way, thanks for a good run Liz. Hope things go better in the Senate, or perhaps, a cabinet seat.

[支持核绿派 (Greens4Nuclear)]

https://medium.com/@teamwarren/the-fight-goes-on-8f5ca2b4b557

You know liberty green everything was key here — my personal favorites included the liberty green boas, liberty green sneakers, liberty green make up, liberty green hair, and liberty green glitter — liberally applied. But it was so much more.

Wow I had no idea this was a thing... guess that’s where all the “Liz is a snake” Bernie Bro comments came from

[Lambsbread]

https://medium.com/@teamwarren/the-fight-goes-on-8f5ca2b4b557

You know liberty green everything was key here — my personal favorites included the liberty green boas, liberty green sneakers, liberty green make up, liberty green hair, and liberty green glitter — liberally applied. But it was so much more.

Wow I had no idea this was a thing... guess that’s where all the “Liz is a snake” Bernie Bro comments came from

Stop.

[JGibson]

This news hits me hard, as I have given my all to support Warren these past several months down here in Southern Illinois.

[Koharu]