Israel-Gaza war

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Palestinians have the right to fight and resist apartheid state Israël, in fact they should, and everyone who does is a freedom fighter. They have my support. The oppression needs to end, and no one is interested in peace & diplomacy from the international community.

You are sick in the head. They attacked civilians, not military. There’s a difference.

I want the war to end. Believe me.

But right now, with the mistreatment of dozens of Palestinians, it's hopeless. If they don't do anything they'll vanish in a genocide and all the western world will have done is watch, do nothing or even support it outright.

I don't approve the killing of civilians or even Hamas methods. All I say is i support the right of Palestinians to defend theirselves. That's what I say.

That doesn't mean i approve of the killings of Israeli civilians by Hamas. But we all know that Israel also systematically is killing Palestinians.

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Palestinians have the right to fight and resist apartheid state Israël, in fact they should, and everyone who does is a freedom fighter. They have my support. The oppression needs to end, and no one is interested in peace & diplomacy from the international community.

It's a series of deliberate massacres of civilians. No one has a right to do that.

Than why does Hamas do that?

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Palestinian president Abbas said Palestine has the right to self-defend theirselves. It's not like the situation of yesterday was exactly a peaceful one. There is continued occupation and neocolonization of Israelis within Palestinian territory.

If people want peace, that has to stop first.

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Palestinians have the right to fight and resist apartheid state Israël, in fact they should, and everyone who does is a freedom fighter. They have my support. The oppression needs to end, and no one is interested in peace & diplomacy from the international community.

It's a series of deliberate massacres of civilians. No one has a right to do that.

Than why does Hamas do that?

Because they’re evil and want to kill Jews.

They're defending from a genocide being perpetrated on their people. Whoever attacks them is even irrelevant. Also its not jews, its Israeli people that occupy them. That's different, many Jewish people for instance condemn Israël as well. Many of my political idols are Jewish. Many of the greatest communists ever were Jewish.

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Palestinians have the right to fight and resist apartheid state Israël, in fact they should, and everyone who does is a freedom fighter. They have my support. The oppression needs to end, and no one is interested in peace & diplomacy from the international community.

It's a series of deliberate massacres of civilians. No one has a right to do that.

Than why does Hamas do that?

Because Hamas serve their sponsors' and not some higher cause of Palestinian liberation. They're too busy porking some Russian hooker in Qatar to care.

It's not like anyone in the western world genuinely care or advocate for Palestinian liberation... . Without Hamas, nothing stops Israel from doing genocide.

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Palestinians have the right to fight and resist apartheid state Israël, in fact they should, and everyone who does is a freedom fighter. They have my support. The oppression needs to end, and no one is interested in peace & diplomacy from the international community.

It's a series of deliberate massacres of civilians. No one has a right to do that.

Than why does Hamas do that?

Because they’re evil and want to kill Jews.

They're defending from a genocide being perpetrated on their people. Whoever attacks them is even irrelevant. Also its not jews, its Israeli people that occupy them. That's different, many Jewish people for instance condemn Israël as well. Many of my political idols are Jewish. Many of the greatest communists ever were Jewish.

If Palestine wants to defend itself against the IDF, they will have my support.

I will never support attacks on civilians. That is terrorism.

Even if you give them your support, we remain powerless. As long as nations like USA keep backing Israel unequivocally, nothing changes.

And with or without Hamas, the attitude towards Palestine would not change.

Besides the high level of islamophobia in the western world does not help their cause either.

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Palestinians have the right to fight and resist apartheid state Israël, in fact they should, and everyone who does is a freedom fighter. They have my support. The oppression needs to end, and no one is interested in peace & diplomacy from the international community.

Serious question: do you know what is going on? Assuming ignorance to be generous, alternative is much worse

I just think you're wrong.

Sorry. I don't think a leftist can reasonably support Israel here.

It's a clear good vs evil conflict.

I want peace, but nobody wants peace including most people in this thread (or if they do it is without Palestine even existing).

Do you even know what is going on in Palestine. Do you support colonization of Palestinian lands by Israelis and continued oppression and so on.

I have the right of my own opinion and I believe i am right.

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Palestinians have the right to fight and resist apartheid state Israël, in fact they should, and everyone who does is a freedom fighter. They have my support. The oppression needs to end, and no one is interested in peace & diplomacy from the international community.

It's a series of deliberate massacres of civilians. No one has a right to do that.

Than why does Hamas do that?

Because they’re evil and want to kill Jews.

They're defending from a genocide being perpetrated on their people. Whoever attacks them is even irrelevant. Also its not jews, its Israeli people that occupy them. That's different, many Jewish people for instance condemn Israël as well. Many of my political idols are Jewish. Many of the greatest communists ever were Jewish.

Respectfully, get the hell out of this thread. You're ignorant, misinformed and spamming while some people here are trying to have a civilized discussion, analysis and updates. Do us this one favor in this morning of slaughter. We don't need this rambling, we need clear-headed updates and analysis.

Don't ever tell me again what i have to do and what not.

I have the right to post here. Plain and simple.

Then expect to be called out for your apologia for the mass murder of Jews. None of us are in the mood to coddle you.

Read this.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

This is what you all ignore.

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Palestinians have the right to fight and resist apartheid state Israël, in fact they should, and everyone who does is a freedom fighter. They have my support. The oppression needs to end, and no one is interested in peace & diplomacy from the international community.

Serious question: do you know what is going on? Assuming ignorance to be generous, alternative is much worse

I just think you're wrong.

Sorry. I don't think a leftist can reasonably support Israel here.

It's a clear good vs evil conflict.

I want peace, but nobody wants peace including most people in this thread (or if they do it is without Palestine even existing).

Do you even know what is going on in Palestine. Do you support colonization of Palestinian lands by Israelis and continued oppression and so on.

I have the right of my own opinion and I believe i am right.

You came to this thread, about the massacre of civilians, to comment on necessity for resistance no matter what. It can only be construed you are a supporter.

Serious question

so even if we talk about "civilians"

does this warrant the - checks note - the 160 Palestinian civilians that have been killed in counterattacks.

Apparently it all does and it shows that some civilians matter more than the other.

Are those "160 Palestinian civilians" part of an operation to eliminate Hamas?

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Palestinians have the right to fight and resist apartheid state Israël, in fact they should, and everyone who does is a freedom fighter. They have my support. The oppression needs to end, and no one is interested in peace & diplomacy from the international community.

It's a series of deliberate massacres of civilians. No one has a right to do that.

Than why does Hamas do that?

Because they’re evil and want to kill Jews.

They're defending from a genocide being perpetrated on their people. Whoever attacks them is even irrelevant. Also its not jews, its Israeli people that occupy them. That's different, many Jewish people for instance condemn Israël as well. Many of my political idols are Jewish. Many of the greatest communists ever were Jewish.

Respectfully, get the hell out of this thread. You're ignorant, misinformed and spamming while some people here are trying to have a civilized discussion, analysis and updates. Do us this one favor in this morning of slaughter. We don't need this rambling, we need clear-headed updates and analysis.

Don't ever tell me again what i have to do and what not.

I have the right to post here. Plain and simple.

Then expect to be called out for your apologia for the mass murder of Jews. None of us are in the mood to coddle you.

Read this.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

This is what you all ignore.

Amnesty is an antisemitic organization. This has been proven time and time again. They want dead Jews, and their word carries zero weight here.

That's nonsense.

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Je vader had een condoom moeten gebruiken, Laki. Was voor iedereen beter geweest.

Saving this for future moderation because this is obviously an instaban (if people could understand the language).

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Sigh, there is not really much to say that has not already been said in past episodes. I will get some hate from both sides for this, but I guess I will add that Palestinians are screwed no matter what at this point, none of the great powers care about settlement construction or will ever meaningfully pressure Israel into stopping the demolition of Palestinian homes, and the neighboring coutries only "care" so much as they can be used for propaganda purposes. In muly opinion the wise cours of action would have been for Gaza to extricate itself from the Palestinian cause and either get annexed by Egypt or exist as an independent state. It seems that Hamas upon recognizing this reality has instead decided to go out in a gruesome "blaze of glory"

I don't hate you for saying that. It's the (sad) reality.

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DavidB stated in a post, he wished for my death in my native language.

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DavidB stated in a post, he wished for my death in my native language.

English is the main language of this forum but is posting in another actually against the rules?

It's not the fact that he posted in dutch, it's what he posted in dutch that matters.



Translated in: "Your father should have used sexual protection. Would have been better for everyone".

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Roger Waters called Hamas "the democratically elected government of Gaza," showed up on Hamas TV and spewed a bunch of antisemitic ravings about Sheldon Adelson being the "puppet master" of the US government, etc.

Still can't believe this guy is part of the reason I became so anti-Nazi...

He's probably not wrong on that.

So that means everyone from the Gaza have to be ethnically cleansed.

And you're all going to support that?

And whoever speaks out against it will be called by 80% of the forum to be banned both here and in User Complaints Thread?

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Hopefully we stay the hell out and don't give Israel a cent.

Hopefully we give Israel , air support

Not our business, not our problem. They're always fighting.

We can help Israel completely destroy Hamas

Who tf cares about Hamas? We have hungry people in America. We're not the world's police.

Please don't go full BG-NY...

Why should be bother assisting Israel here? What good does it do? This isn't going isolationist, this is understanding that Israel is a pariah that does nothing for us.. Why is this our business? Please tell me.

We should stand with Israel over Radical Islamists regardless of what other middle eastern nations think .

We should stay the hell out. Israel has also been weak in their Ukraine support.

The right doesn't care about Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1710652739007484359

You should know that by now. They're already propping up conspiracy theories that there isn't even a war at all ongoing in Ukraine.

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Hopefully we stay the hell out and don't give Israel a cent.

Hopefully we give Israel , air support

Not our business, not our problem. They're always fighting.

We can help Israel completely destroy Hamas

Who tf cares about Hamas? We have hungry people in America. We're not the world's police.

Please don't go full BG-NY...

Why should be bother assisting Israel here? What good does it do? This isn't going isolationist, this is understanding that Israel is a pariah that does nothing for us.. Why is this our business? Please tell me.

We should stand with Israel over Radical Islamists regardless of what other middle eastern nations think .

We should stay the hell out. Israel has also been weak in their Ukraine support.

The right doesn't care about Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1710652739007484359

You should know that by now. They're already propping up conspiracy theories that there isn't even a war at all ongoing in Ukraine.

Ok commie

Reply to my question.

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Roger Waters called Hamas "the democratically elected government of Gaza," showed up on Hamas TV and spewed a bunch of antisemitic ravings about Sheldon Adelson being the "puppet master" of the US government, etc.

Still can't believe this guy is part of the reason I became so anti-Nazi...

He's probably not wrong on that.

When you haven't scheduled another election in seventeen years you lose the right to say "but we won the last time we let people weigh in!"

It's not even a country today, why expect a unrecognised nation that also has been at war for those seventeen years to hold elections. They're in a continuous emergency state.

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I have a very superficial knowledge on the conflict, so i have a few questions:

Does Hamas have a presence on the West Bank or is it only limited to Gaza?

There's very little Hamas presence in the West Bank, but their regime in Gaza is basically totalitarian and there's no chance of removing them without a military intervention.

That's what happens if you dont give them a contiguous border

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Dumb move by Palestine but I’ll not shed fake tears for Israel considering all the history of this conflict either. That’s exactly what they were waiting and hoping for, some excuse to get into direct war without getting too bad of a PR in the West. Would honestly be wonderful if both sides could lose. We’re talking about an imperialist apartheid regime oppressing an Islamic theocracy that violates the human rights of minorities.

Naturally, the Western and White Imperialist countries will side with Israel because that’s who they identify with better and the Islamic Dictatorships will side with Palestine because it’s the one culturally closer to them as well.

India sides with Israel here. So there goes your bs global south alliance

Yeah because its led by a hindu extremist that happens to be an islamophobe.

Doesnt mean that india will back the west in another conflict.

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Civilians who survived the attack on a big outdoor party tell of terrorists shooting at people who were raising their hands and begging for mercy. If some tankies here want to know what not to shed any tears for

The same ones who held a picnic and cheered on airstrikes on Gaza last time this happened, or different ones?

I’m just asking you people to have some basic empathy for people experiencing horror amd cruelty. It’s not that hard.

Both sides experience horror and cruelty.

And yes i feel sorry for Israelis who want peace and dont want anything to do with this.

But a peace means treating Palestinians well, in the West Bank too, which isn't happening as of now and something the international community doesnt care about.

It also doesnt mean killing thousands of innocent civilians. Palestinuans and gazans are people too.

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Worst case scenario for this war is that the larger Arab superpowers get involved. If it’s mostly Israel vs. Hamas Israel would win easily.

Let Israel and Iran destroy each other.

It's a win-win: two authoritarian states destroy one another.

Hell no, if Iran declares war on Israel then we should provide Israel with air support. Let's see how Iran would like to deal with the greatest military superpower the world has ever seen and especially the greatest air power the world has ever seen.

We must not let Israel fall under any circumstance. The history over the past many centuries show that when there is no Jewish country existing , it leads to horrible oppression and we cannot stand by and let that ever happen again. The fact is Jews need a refuge from potential oppression and that is why a Jewish nation must exist

And if the USA is stupid enough to do that. It gives China the opportunity to invade Taiwan while your planes are fighting to protect Bibi

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Worst case scenario for this war is that the larger Arab superpowers get involved. If it’s mostly Israel vs. Hamas Israel would win easily.

Let Israel and Iran destroy each other.

It's a win-win: two authoritarian states destroy one another.

Hell no, if Iran declares war on Israel then we should provide Israel with air support. Let's see how Iran would like to deal with the greatest military superpower the world has ever seen and especially the greatest air power the world has ever seen.

We must not let Israel fall under any circumstance. The history over the past many centuries show that when there is no Jewish country existing , it leads to horrible oppression and we cannot stand by and let that ever happen again. The fact is Jews need a refuge from potential oppression and that is why a Jewish nation must exist

And if the USA is stupid enough to do that. It gives China the opportunity to invade Taiwan while your planes are fighting to protect Bibi

You really no nothing about our military capabilities lol. Our military is designed to fight major wars in multiple front's at the same time and the level of intervention I am talking about would not require us too:


- Move any of our aircraft carriers out of the pacific. Keep in mind our Navy alone has stronger air power than any other nation's military

- We would not send a single ground troop here

But your actions would actively trigger a third world war. I don't doubt the USA's ability to win on all of these fronts decisively but a war where nukes are used doesn't have any winners.

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I've just seen the tweet from Corbyn and holy crap, it seems like people were actually right about him. It was not a witch hunt or anything of the sort, Corbyn truly is an anti-semitic, anti-western, pro-communist sympathizer. How did he ever manage to become the leader of labour?

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1710632920950489167

What is anti-semitic about this?

I stand with Corbyn.

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The Brandenburg Gate in Berlin tonight.

Odd déjà vu... it used to be Blue-Yellow colour scheme back in February of 2022.

Hmm, Armenia wasn't important enough? Germany doesn't really care about the Armenians i suppose.

Giving unequivocal support for Israel for the right to defend itself by all means possible



Is also supporting the countless murder and killings and slaughter of countless civilians, including children.

Just ... would recommend the people in the thread to remember this image and picture it in your head before going to sleep. And than knowingly know that you actively wish for their harm (at least the majority posting in this thread).