Pennsylvania 2010 - The Official Thread

[Keystone Phil]

 

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Uh...what Kool Aid am I drinking here? I laughed if he actually said that.

Someone needs to stop being the Specter Apologist here tonight...

[Purple State]

 

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Uh...what Kool Aid am I drinking here? I laughed if he actually said that.

Someone needs to stop being the Specter Apologist here tonight...

You take everything the guy says like it's a major gaffe and is going to lose him the election. What he said is likely to win, not lose him the election in 2010. Rather than look up what he said and how it has been taken thus far, you took this news as fresh proof of Specter's lunacy. I'm not apologizing for him at all. I am enlightening you to the real story here, rather than succumbing to your la-la land interpretation of it.

[Keystone Phil]

 

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Uh...what Kool Aid am I drinking here? I laughed if he actually said that.

Someone needs to stop being the Specter Apologist here tonight...

You take everything the guy says like it's a major gaffe and is going to lose him the election.

Dude, you need to stop misrepresenting everything I say.

I didn't say this was a major gaffe. I didn't imply it either. You said the same in the other thread. You were wrong (I wouldn't ever expect the other statement to ever be used by an opponent).

 

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Again, what's the "la-la land interpretation?" I said LOL IF TRUE. Read the last two words (which I bolded for you) back to me, please. Then let me know how I "interpreted it."

[Purple State]

It would be nice if you actually looked it up, rather than simply corroborating the deranged ideas of someone clearly speaking without having read up on the matter.

You should realize that the way you quoted that post appeared to imply your endorsement of its substance.

[Keystone Phil]

It would be nice if you actually looked it up, rather than simply corroborating the deranged ideas of someone clearly speaking without having read up on the matter.

Oh, yeah, clearly deranged. 

And how did is he "clearly speaking without having read up on the matter?" He said it was on Face the Nation. I assumed he watched. I guess that's just as deranged now. 

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Whatever, dude. I don't know how many times I have to highlight/bold/bring to your attention that I said "if true."

[Lunar]

"Reagan carried this state twice. I don't think this state has changed," said Toomey, a former U.S. Representative from Lehigh County.


I expect liberal Democrats to do extremely well in Oklahoma and Idaho any day now.

[Lunar]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0509/Poll_Specter_beats_Toomey_5333.html

Down 20% (name recognition's an issue here), Specter over 50%

[Rowan]

Not a surprise.

[BM]

Breakdown of Republican support is the only interesting part to  me:

Ridge 82/10; Toomey 74/18

Did they forget Ridge is an icky moderate?

[Lunar]

Netroots starting to get grumpy:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/4/727577/-Specter-against-key-part-of-health-care-reform-plan

[Keystone Phil]

Yeah so Specter up 53% to 33% does make sense now. As pointed out, Toomey's name recognition sucks now among the entire electorate (67% say they haven't heard enough from him). The Ridge vs. Specter General matchup numbers make sense. Republican support for Ridge, though, is a bit off and if he was to run, he obviously wouldn't have favorable ratings that high.


In more encouraging but totally pointless news...

Specter's internals had him down 15% in a GOP primary - http://www.philly.com/inquirer/front_page/44239847.html?page=2&c=y

And 53% of national respondents an unfavorable opinion of Arlen - http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics2/42_say_specter_s_switch_to_democrat_will_have_big_impact

[Lunar]

It's understandable, but it doesn't necessarily make sense for a politician that just spent the last some odd months bragging how he's going to screw over the liberal agenda and then flip over to the other party because of some poll numbers.  There's always the "don't know" option that 14% of the voters that don't want to vote for Specter but didn't know who Toomey was... having a majority of the vote is something that vulnerable incumbents don't normally possess...  it's interesting anyway.

More importantly, these sorts of poll numbers scare away potential donors.

[Lunar]

anyway, I'm sure Dole was polling more than 50% against Hagan at one point in time.  Everyone thought Josh was crazy though haha.

Annnnyway, machine organizing is important in a state like PA.  While Ed and Bob might have a lot of influence, the unions are an important part of the Democratic machine structure.  If they back Sestak, win or lose, that's troops on the ground Specter might not get for the general.  If he's going to filibuster health care reform AND EFCA, what's next, filibuster Obama's Supreme Court nominee?  I mean, his conservative credentials weren't authentic to begin with, how hard is it to say one thing liberal Democrats can look forward to... I'm sure he can look back at his 2008 self if he doesn't remember.

[TeePee4Prez]

Netroots starting to get grumpy:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/4/727577/-Specter-against-key-part-of-health-care-reform-plan

Look at my signature.  A free pass Arlen will not be getting out of me.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Netroots starting to get grumpy:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/4/727577/-Specter-against-key-part-of-health-care-reform-plan

Can Specter please support just one thing in it's entirety? For goodness sakes.

[TeePee4Prez]

Netroots starting to get grumpy:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/4/727577/-Specter-against-key-part-of-health-care-reform-plan

Can Specter please support just one thing in it's entirety? For goodness sakes.

He's too much of a lawyer.  He has never acted like a legislator.  He should know the difference.

[justfollowingtheelections]

sestak looks great and i'll support him if he runs, but I saw the latest polls and approval ratings and I think I want to puke... pa is such a f- ed up state

[Keystone Phil]

I've heard that several people close to Ridge say he really wants nothing to do with this race.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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What the hell is this PS? I am deranged becaused I watched the show first hand and saw the surprised look on Bob Scheifer's face when Specter uttered those words. I am sorry that I don't get all my info from the web, that I like to see things on TV as well. You just can't get all the detail from a black and white page. You don't see there faces, there expressions, and there reactions. Since you frowned upon making assumptions about races on the previous page you obviously find it alright to make assumption about other people. That counts as being a hypocrit just like someone else we have been discussing. You complain about me not reading up on the matter but you unfortunately didn't bother to read my post in its entirety, I mentioned that it may not be what Specter meant, but  it will be the assumed meaning once it gets clipped into a Toomey ad and I have no doubt that these two will be throwing everything including the kitchen sink at each so taking each other "out of context" should be expected in this race anyway. I am not surprised by your defence of Specter, you too are a lot alike.

Quit throwing your damned personal insults at me. I used to have respect for you but unfortunately I am being to think that respect is misplaced.

[Lunar]

....anyway, back to PA...

the AFL-CIO continues to throw jabs at Specter until he show some return to his pro-labor past self:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/05/abc-news-rick-k.html




and WHY would he make this argument AFTER switching?:

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Nelson and Lincoln have come out against it, but why are you trying to make yourself more dickish the primary electorate than is necessary?


I thought this guy was a good politician.



anyway... here's the golden nugget.  The carrot with the stick.

[quote] Trumka said he's still confident that Specter's concerns about the bill can be addressed.

"He says he's not for the current bill in its current form, although I think there is a form that he will [support]. We'll see what happens," he said.

He added that any bill "absolutely" would have to provide for binding arbitration to provide a fixed timeline for resolving disputes over forming unions -- a provision that is harshly opposed by business groups.

"This would take some of their ability to intimidate and delay away," Trumka said.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Arlen's a true moderate, he pisses everyone off.

[Rowan]

Specter 42%
Toomey 36%

Ridge 39%
Specter 38%

http://grassrootspa.com/?p=29782#more-29782

[Keystone Phil]

Specter 42%
Toomey 36%

Ridge 39%
Specter 38%

http://grassrootspa.com/?p=29782#more-29782

Not buying those numbers.

[Lunar]

Hmm, any guesses at how those undecideds may fall?  We may have recent some evidence of what a poll that pushers their leaners a little bit more would look like


... "In the Specter/Toomey match-up, Specter is winning support from Democrats by a 50 percent margin while Toomey is winning support from Republicans by a 46 percent margin."  uh, err...


Also, on my previous post:

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[Lunar]

I feel like GrassRootsPA is sometimes an almost-mockingly attempt to be more ridiculously screwed up than Drudge.  I mean, when the Q poll came out showing Toomey way behind, they image-headlined for hours instead a Rasmussen poll showing Specter with only 49% approval rating nationwide.