USA Today/Gallup (NOT TRACKING): Mac 50, Obama 46 (RV); Mac 54, Obama 44 (LV)
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« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2008, 10:37:06 PM »

JJ you don't think Obama has a better GOTV operation in critical states than Mccain? I think that in itself gives him a 1-2 point advantage which is of course taken away by the bradley effect. Thus if the polls say the race is tied before the election, the result will be extremely close( 2000 style).

With the energized GOP....our GOTV will be huge too.
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« Reply #51 on: September 07, 2008, 10:38:16 PM »

Right after Iowa, Clinton was DONE.

Right after New Hampshire, Obama was DONE.

Right after South Carolina, Clinton was DONE.

People take momentary trends waaaay too seriously on this board. If this was a football game, we'd just be midway through the first quarter. Give it time people.

What's the score in this game?

McCain may have just scored a touchdown.

May have.

It's one bleeping poll.. one... as in "one".....

It's early September....

Everybody take a vallium Smiley

All you Republicans, put the bubbly back on ice..

All you democrats, get those razor blades away from the arteries in your throat..

It's one poll........
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« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2008, 10:39:23 PM »

JJ you don't think Obama has a better GOTV operation in critical states than Mccain? I think that in itself gives him a 1-2 point advantage which is of course taken away by the bradley effect. Thus if the polls say the race is tied before the election, the result will be extremely close( 2000 style).

With the energized GOP....our GOTV will be huge too.

Not 04' like. There's not enough time.
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« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2008, 10:40:21 PM »

I think part of the drama is the fact that Democrats have got so used to having Obama leading McCain and Republicans like-wise.
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« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2008, 10:40:34 PM »

JJ you don't think Obama has a better GOTV operation in critical states than Mccain? I think that in itself gives him a 1-2 point advantage which is of course taken away by the bradley effect. Thus if the polls say the race is tied before the election, the result will be extremely close( 2000 style).

With the energized GOP....our GOTV will be huge too.

I am talking about the organization of it. In 2004 the churches pushed Bush big time and did a lot of the organizational stuff for him and that got him those huge margins in SW ohio. Will it happen again this year? Palin is the x factor. Anyways Obama has proved he is a much better at GOTV than other candidates and will probably be better than Kerry.
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« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2008, 10:46:47 PM »

I think part of the drama is the fact that Democrats have got so used to having Obama leading McCain and Republicans like-wise.

That's probably true. Even though his leads were often small, he was pretty much always ahead in pretty much everything.
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« Reply #56 on: September 07, 2008, 10:56:06 PM »

JJ you don't think Obama has a better GOTV operation in critical states than Mccain? I think that in itself gives him a 1-2 point advantage which is of course taken away by the bradley effect. Thus if the polls say the race is tied before the election, the result will be extremely close( 2000 style).

With the energized GOP....our GOTV will be huge too.

I am talking about the organization of it. In 2004 the churches pushed Bush big time and did a lot of the organizational stuff for him and that got him those huge margins in SW ohio. Will it happen again this year? Palin is the x factor. Anyways Obama has proved he is a much better at GOTV than other candidates and will probably be better than Kerry.

I dont think Obama has proved that at all.  Not saying he hasnt - he proved it Iowa I guess and that he can win caucuses.  I wouldnt bank on what happened in one state on one night.
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« Reply #57 on: September 07, 2008, 11:00:01 PM »

Stick a fork in us. We're finished.
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« Reply #58 on: September 07, 2008, 11:04:42 PM »

Stick a fork in us. We're finished.

Are you being sarcastic?
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« Reply #59 on: September 07, 2008, 11:07:56 PM »
« Edited: September 07, 2008, 11:09:44 PM by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ »

50% of Americans must think that the economy is awesome.

Edit: WTF are those likely voter numbers?
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« Reply #60 on: September 07, 2008, 11:12:20 PM »

50% of Americans must think that the economy is awesome.

Edit: WTF are those likely voter numbers?

I was shocked when I saw that as well.
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« Reply #61 on: September 07, 2008, 11:16:15 PM »

I'm really shocked. Palin has turned out to be a genius move!
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« Reply #62 on: September 07, 2008, 11:17:57 PM »


Explained earlier.
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« Reply #63 on: September 07, 2008, 11:19:53 PM »

I'm really shocked. Palin has turned out to be a genius move!

This has nothing to do with that.
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« Reply #64 on: September 07, 2008, 11:21:20 PM »


You think McCain would be leading by 10 if Mitt Romney was chosen as VP? No way.
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« Reply #65 on: September 07, 2008, 11:21:40 PM »


Yeah, we haven't even gotten the full effect of the Palin pick yet.
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« Reply #66 on: September 07, 2008, 11:24:19 PM »

Nice blip for McCain.  We will see if it holds.

Some people are overreacting too much.  
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« Reply #67 on: September 07, 2008, 11:30:28 PM »

This could be the first time in 80 years that the GOP has slowly won by bigger and bigger margins...three times in a row- This is what the race could look like-




If this is real, I may soon have to find a new place to live....but I will refuse to say that I ever left America. America simply left me.

España. They have experienced facism there and never want to go back.

Finding a country is like finding a lover, though. The first cut is always the deepest.
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« Reply #68 on: September 07, 2008, 11:33:03 PM »

50% of Americans must think that the economy is awesome.

Edit: WTF are those likely voter numbers?
Most people say that this is just noise, if it is true, however, our country's problems have just begun....or maybe haven't even begun...
This could be the first time in 80 years that the GOP has slowly won by bigger and bigger margins...three times in a row- This is what the race could look like-




If this is real, I may soon have to find a new place to live....but I will refuse to say that I ever left America. America simply left me.

España. They have experienced facism there and never want to go back.

Finding a country is like finding a lover, though. The first cut is always the deepest.

Yes. I know. I don't know the language and I will have to practice in the U.S. for at least 3 years for my license to be seriously considered in a place where I do know the language. I am still concerned for the American people, I just don't want to go down with this ship. As wrong as abandoning my homeland to die, the ideals of my homeland must find a new cradle.
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« Reply #69 on: September 07, 2008, 11:33:42 PM »

If McCain is up by 3-4 or more by election day. It's over. I still think the best thing Hillary did for Obama is force him to develop operations in all 50 states during the primaries.

Not Michigan.
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« Reply #70 on: September 07, 2008, 11:34:44 PM »

Only hillary can beat mccain.
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« Reply #71 on: September 07, 2008, 11:36:48 PM »
« Edited: September 07, 2008, 11:40:36 PM by Some Natures Catch No Plagues »


You think McCain would be leading by 10 if Mitt Romney was chosen as VP? No way.

It's called a "convention bounce". Romney? Probably not. Pawlenty or anyone else without sky-high disapprovals? Probably, (though "leading by 10 is quite misleading)
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« Reply #72 on: September 07, 2008, 11:42:54 PM »


You think McCain would be leading by 10 if Mitt Romney was chosen as VP? No way.

It's called a "convention bounce". Romney? Probably not. Pawlenty or anyone else without sky-high disapprovals? Probably, (though "leading by 10 is quite misleading)

Of course it's a convention bounce. Why can't the Democrats get something called a bounce?

But Palin has energized this ticket. Pawlenty and Romney would not have come close to doing that.
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« Reply #73 on: September 07, 2008, 11:44:22 PM »


You think McCain would be leading by 10 if Mitt Romney was chosen as VP? No way.

It's called a "convention bounce". Romney? Probably not. Pawlenty or anyone else without sky-high disapprovals? Probably, (though "leading by 10 is quite misleading)

Of course it's a convention bounce. Why can't the Democrats get something called a bounce?

Holy f**k is the idiot rapist saying Obama didn't get a bounce post-convention?

But Palin has energized this ticket. Pawlenty and Romney would not have come close to doing that.

So people who were going to vote for McCain anyway like her. OK.
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« Reply #74 on: September 07, 2008, 11:45:10 PM »


You think McCain would be leading by 10 if Mitt Romney was chosen as VP? No way.

It's called a "convention bounce". Romney? Probably not. Pawlenty or anyone else without sky-high disapprovals? Probably, (though "leading by 10 is quite misleading)

Of course it's a convention bounce. Why can't the Democrats get something called a bounce?

But Palin has energized this ticket. Pawlenty and Romney would not have come close to doing that.

The democrats were getting a nice little bounce but then Palin came up and got her own bounce and messed things up. If the palin pick did not happen that friday I would not have been surprised if Obama got a couple days of numbers close to +8. He actually did get one night of numbers near +11 in gallup.
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