Kentucky - OFFICIAL rumors and results thread

[Joe Biden 2020]

Why is Obama still pandering to people by continuing to wear the flag pin?

I don't know, but I like it.

[Lief 🗽]

Why is Obama still pandering to people by continuing to wear the flag pin?

I heard that a veteran gave that to him at a town hall, though I'm not sure if that's true.

[Alcon]

The man can give a speech.

[WalterMitty]

im impressed and surprised by clinton's margin of victory in ky.  i wasnt expecting it.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Another good speech, but no substance at all. We're electing a President, not an orator.

[Alcon]

Another good speech, but no substance at all. We're electing a President, not an orator.

Stump speeches are not where substance is delivered.  Obama tends to be vague, yes, but the closest McCain and Clinton get to substantiative policy is issue shout-outs.  It gives the appearance of substance but it's pretty much equally lacking.

That's not to say I'm happy with the substance level of Obama's campaign, but c'mon.

[Joe Biden 2020]

37 delegates for Clinton and 14 for Obama in Kentucky for a total of 51 pledged delegates.  Beforehand, there were 3 supers for Clinton and 2 for Obama from KY.  That makes a total of 56 delegates, so 4 more superdelegates left in Kentucky.

Is Gov. Beshear a superdelegate?  Any indication on who he's leaning toward?

[Torie]

Another good speech, but no substance at all. We're electing a President, not an orator.

It bored me, but hey, I bore easily!

[Lief 🗽]

Another good speech, but no substance at all. We're electing a President, not an orator.

Please point me to some McCain speeches with substance. The only difference between McCain and Obama's speeches is that Barack's aren't crappy. They're both full of themes and ideas and lacking in specific policy.

[J. J.]

Another good speech, but no substance at all. We're electing a President, not an orator.

Please point me to some McCain speeches with substance. The only difference between McCain and Obama's speeches is that Barack's aren't crappy. They're both full of themes and ideas and lacking in specific policy.

His gas tax holiday comes to mind.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Another good speech, but no substance at all. We're electing a President, not an orator.

Please point me to some McCain speeches with substance. The only difference between McCain and Obama's speeches is that Barack's aren't crappy. They're both full of themes and ideas and lacking in specific policy.

And, Obama is more lively.  McCain speaks too much "tele-prompty" to coin a term.

[Verily]

Another good speech, but no substance at all. We're electing a President, not an orator.

Please point me to some McCain speeches with substance. The only difference between McCain and Obama's speeches is that Barack's aren't crappy. They're both full of themes and ideas and lacking in specific policy.

His gas tax holiday comes to mind.

"I want a gas tax moratorium" is not a valid policy proposal and, if anything, is worse than nothing at all.

[Alcon]

If the gas tax holiday is McCain's idea of substantiative policy (because, A - it's stupid and beneath him, B - it won't happen), then he can stick to the platitudes thanks.

[Lief 🗽]

Another good speech, but no substance at all. We're electing a President, not an orator.

Please point me to some McCain speeches with substance. The only difference between McCain and Obama's speeches is that Barack's aren't crappy. They're both full of themes and ideas and lacking in specific policy.

His gas tax holiday comes to mind.

"I want a gas tax moratorium" is not a valid policy proposal and, if anything, is worse than nothing at all.

Exactly. It's the equivalent of Obama calling for universal healthcare or a tax system "that rewards work not wealth." That's all you're going to get substance-wise in a speech like this.

[WalterMitty]

clinton should have thrown a party after the potomac primaries.

why the hell not?

[Lief 🗽]

clinton should have thrown a party after the potomac primaries.

why the hell not?

Because she didn't secure a majority of democratically-elected pledged delegates after the Potomac Primaries?

[WalterMitty]

clinton should have thrown a party after the potomac primaries.

why the hell not?

Because she didn't secure a majority of democratically-elected pledged delegates after the Potomac Primaries?

neither has obama.  wait until may 31.

anyway, party on!  you only lost by 36 points.  that says STRENGTH!!!

bring it on john mccain!

[Joe Biden 2020]

clinton should have thrown a party after the potomac primaries.

why the hell not?

Because she didn't secure a majority of democratically-elected pledged delegates after the Potomac Primaries?

neither has obama.  wait until may 31.

anyway, party on!  you only lost by 36 points.  that says STRENGTH!!!

bring it on john mccain!

Wait until June 4.  Obama will be the nominee.  I'm forseeing a flood of superdelegates to come in now that based on CURRENT rules, he has secured the majority of pledged delegates.

[Sam Spade]

Numbers-wise, the only real difference in the final totals is the % of blacks in the primaries of WV and KY.  Yes, it's more subtle than that, but generically that's what it looks like.

[WalterMitty]

clinton should have thrown a party after the potomac primaries.

why the hell not?

Because she didn't secure a majority of democratically-elected pledged delegates after the Potomac Primaries?

neither has obama.  wait until may 31.

anyway, party on!  you only lost by 36 points.  that says STRENGTH!!!

bring it on john mccain!

Wait until June 4.  Obama will be the nominee.  I'm forseeing a flood of superdelegates to come in now that based on CURRENT rules, he has secured the majority of pledged delegates.

well, yes.  obama will most likely be the nominee.

but if these primaries havent highlighted some glaring weaknesses for obama...you must have your head in the sand.

ill say again....blacks + young people + upper income whites with npr totebags  doesnt equal an electoral majority.

and i say that as a probable obama voter, should he be the nominee.

[Sam Spade]

Hey, walter!  How'd the prediction go? 

[WalterMitty]

Hey, walter!  How'd the prediction go? 

thankfully i was wrong.

i really thought obama would do better than what he did in ky.

i still predict him to crack 60 in oregon.

[Joe Biden 2020]

clinton should have thrown a party after the potomac primaries.

why the hell not?

Because she didn't secure a majority of democratically-elected pledged delegates after the Potomac Primaries?

neither has obama.  wait until may 31.

anyway, party on!  you only lost by 36 points.  that says STRENGTH!!!

bring it on john mccain!

Wait until June 4.  Obama will be the nominee.  I'm forseeing a flood of superdelegates to come in now that based on CURRENT rules, he has secured the majority of pledged delegates.

well, yes.  obama will most likely be the nominee.

but if these primaries havent highlighted some glaring weaknesses for obama...you must have your head in the sand.

ill say again....blacks + young people + upper income whites with npr totebags  doesnt equal an electoral majority.

and i say that as a probable obama voter, should he be the nominee.

Personally, Walter, I hope Michigan and Florida are seated, somehow.  If nothing else than to hear from all 50 states and not to take any chance of kissing away 44 electoral votes (Michigan 17 and Florida 27) to John McCain.  Even if that were to mean that Hillary Clinton is the nominee, I would rather do that than to take any chance of sacrificing 44 electoral votes.

[Torie]

Numbers-wise, the only real difference in the final totals is the % of blacks in the primaries of WV and KY.  Yes, it's more subtle than that, but generically that's what it looks like.

CD 5 in Kentucky seems to have an usually low number of white voters voting for Obama. It seems almost sui generis to me. I don't think West Virginia has anything to match it.

I should have predicted that Obama was in the hunt  to win Fayette County. It's 14% black (I didn't know it was that high), and has the horsey folks, along with a bunch of white white collar Yankees working for IBM, etc.

[Sam Spade]

Numbers-wise, the only real difference in the final totals is the % of blacks in the primaries of WV and KY.  Yes, it's more subtle than that, but generically that's what it looks like.

CD 5 in Kentucky seems to have an usually low number of white voters voting for Obama. It seems almost sui generis to me. I don't think West Virginia has anything to match it.

The SW coal counties are the closest really, and they are close in character to CD-5.  Truthfully, this is Al's territory, I'll let him answer the question. 

EDIT:  I should add - a lot of the part of northern Tennessee that borders this CD had very similar numbers to CD 5