Opinion of Scoop Jackson

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Preventing communism from spreading to South Vietnam = Not worth a single dead US soldier. No oppressive regime like South Vietnam is ever worth a single American life no matter what the alternative is. Diem and his gang should've just've been told to go to hell like NATO European allies did.

I'm guessing you don't think it was worth in Korea either?

That was a UN-approved action against aggression by the north while Vietnam was just the US attempting to continue France's ridiculous colonial war.

We were attempting to preserve a non-Communist government, which is what mattered.

OK, so lets force thousands of our citizens to go to a hell hole and likely die so we can prevent a despotic Communist government from replacing a despotic non-Communist government. Brilliant! Wonderful cause! Especially considering the despotic non-Communist government DID not survive and where was the stack of dominos that were going to fall?

If LBJ had not attempted to balance guns and butter, and had gone into the war full scale, fewer American lives would have been lost.

But why go to war? You haven't answered that. The Vietnamese people clearly wanted Minh.

Aside from the fact that they attacked us first, the Communists were never elected in South Vietnam.

And the government of South Vietnam was as "elected" as Saddam Hussein. Your point?

[War on Want]

Exactly, there had always been mass public support for the Communists in Vietnam.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

That's because there never were fair and free elections there.

And you still buy the Gulf of Tonkin incident? It was obviously faked.

That was a problem, but it doesn't justify what the Communists did.

Yes, I still believe the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Analogy:

The American Revolution finally forces the British to withdraw. However the Spanish decide they don't like George Washington and don't want to deal with him despite the fact he'd obviously win any election anywhere. So they establish a puppet government in the south and rig a ridiculous "election", the demonize George Washington's government in the north when it attacks the invalid puppet state.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

That's because there never were fair and free elections there.

And you still buy the Gulf of Tonkin incident? It was obviously faked.

That was a problem, but it doesn't justify what the Communists did.

How was the government of South Vietnam more legitimate than the communists?

Yes, I still believe the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

So you believe there were WMDs in Iraq too?

[War on Want]

That's because there never were fair and free elections there.

And you still buy the Gulf of Tonkin incident? It was obviously faked.

That was a problem, but it doesn't justify what the Communists did.

Yes, I still believe the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

What the hell does that mean?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

That's because there never were fair and free elections there.

And you still buy the Gulf of Tonkin incident? It was obviously faked.

That was a problem, but it doesn't justify what the Communists did.

How was the government of South Vietnam more legitimate than the communists?

They were equally legitimate; but the North Vietnam government attacked South Vietnam.

That's because there never were fair and free elections there.

And you still buy the Gulf of Tonkin incident? It was obviously faked.

That was a problem, but it doesn't justify what the Communists did.

Yes, I still believe the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

What the hell does that mean?

That I believe the Gulf of Tonkin incident happened.

[Хahar 🤔]

That's because there never were fair and free elections there.

And you still buy the Gulf of Tonkin incident? It was obviously faked.

That was a problem, but it doesn't justify what the Communists did.

How was the government of South Vietnam more legitimate than the communists?

They were equally legitimate; but the North Vietnam government attacked South Vietnam.

One had popular support; the other didn't. And North Vietnam did not attack the South.

That's because there never were fair and free elections there.

And you still buy the Gulf of Tonkin incident? It was obviously faked.

That was a problem, but it doesn't justify what the Communists did.

Yes, I still believe the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

What the hell does that mean?

That I believe the Gulf of Tonkin incident happened.

Well, then, what's the point?

[MarkWarner08]

Hmm... Let's ask Scoop Jackson Democrat what he thinks of Scoop Jackson. That's as silly as asking MarkWarner08 what he thinks of Mark Warner.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Hmm... Let's ask Scoop Jackson Democrat what he thinks of Scoop Jackson. That's as silly as asking MarkWarner08 what he thinks of Mark Warner.

Yeah, but I wasn't using that name when I made the poll.

[MarkWarner08]

Hmm... Let's ask Scoop Jackson Democrat what he thinks of Scoop Jackson. That's as silly as asking MarkWarner08 what he thinks of Mark Warner.

Yeah, but I wasn't using that name when I made the poll.

I know. BTW, props on idolizing a NW Democrat.

[Iosif is a COTHO]

That's because there never were fair and free elections there.

And you still buy the Gulf of Tonkin incident? It was obviously faked.

That was a problem, but it doesn't justify what the Communists did.

Yes, I still believe the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

so you think the fact that the North Vietnamese government were not fairly elected is justification for a military invasion, yet the fact that the South Vietnamese government was not fairly elected is merely a 'problem'.

I'd be fascinated to know how you think the Gulf of Tonkin incident was as originally described by the Government. Even they themselves came to realise it was false.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Continued LOL @ Benconstine for supporting Vietnam because a Democrat started it but opposing Afghanistan because a Republican started it

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Continued LOL @ Benconstine for supporting Vietnam because a Democrat started it but opposing Afghanistan because a Republican started it

For the last fu(king time, I support Afghanistan.

That's because there never were fair and free elections there.

And you still buy the Gulf of Tonkin incident? It was obviously faked.

That was a problem, but it doesn't justify what the Communists did.

Yes, I still believe the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

so you think the fact that the North Vietnamese government were not fairly elected is justification for a military invasion, yet the fact that the South Vietnamese government was not fairly elected is merely a 'problem'.

I don't justify invading North Vietnam, merely preventing them from taking over South Vietnam.

[Хahar 🤔]

Continued LOL @ Benconstine for supporting Vietnam because a Democrat started it but opposing Afghanistan because a Republican started it

For the last fu(king time, I support Afghanistan.

For the last fuсking time, find a better way of writing fuсk.

That's because there never were fair and free elections there.

And you still buy the Gulf of Tonkin incident? It was obviously faked.

That was a problem, but it doesn't justify what the Communists did.

Yes, I still believe the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

so you think the fact that the North Vietnamese government were not fairly elected is justification for a military invasion, yet the fact that the South Vietnamese government was not fairly elected is merely a 'problem'.

I don't justify invading North Vietnam, merely preventing them from taking over South Vietnam.

1. They weren't trying to.
2. The South Vietnamese population wanted Communism.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Hopefully the Obama Administration will embrace Jackson's ideology fully, rather than the horrible, twisted way the Bush Administration did.

[Mint]

2. The South Vietnamese population wanted Communism.

If by 'South Vietnamese population' you mean 'the backward peasants' then yes. The people screaming in and fleeing Saigon after we abandoned it will tell you otherwise. In any case, LOL @ this thread.

[Dr. Cynic]

Neutral. Some good about him, some bad about him... I wouldn't have supported him in '76, my candidate would've been Morris Udall.

[Хahar 🤔]

2. The South Vietnamese population wanted Communism.

If by 'South Vietnamese population' you mean 'the backward peasants' then yes. The people screaming in and fleeing Saigon after we abandoned it will tell you otherwise. In any case, LOL @ this thread.

Well, the backwards peasants were the majority. I don't think there's any doubt the Communists would have won a fair and free election.

Hopefully the Obama Administration will embrace Jackson's ideology fully, rather than the horrible, twisted way the Bush Administration did.

Invade Azerbaijan!

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Hopefully the Obama Administration will embrace Jackson's ideology fully, rather than the horrible, twisted way the Bush Administration did.

LOL. Just LOL.

2. The South Vietnamese population wanted Communism.

If by 'South Vietnamese population' you mean 'the backward peasants' then yes. The people screaming in and fleeing Saigon after we abandoned it will tell you otherwise. In any case, LOL @ this thread.

Well, the backwards peasants were the majority. I don't think there's any doubt the Communists would have won a fair and free election.

Indeed. Even something the US admitted, hence why it had to rig elections for that piece of sh!t Diem.

Diem didn't deserve one dead American. Period. His regime was not worth a single one, nor a single cent of US taxpayer money.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Negative. He wasn't as bad as Lieberman, but the comparisons means automatic fail for him. The Senator from Boeing sure brought home the defense pork.

[Хahar 🤔]

2. The South Vietnamese population wanted Communism.

If by 'South Vietnamese population' you mean 'the backward peasants' then yes. The people screaming in and fleeing Saigon after we abandoned it will tell you otherwise. In any case, LOL @ this thread.

Well, the backwards peasants were the majority. I don't think there's any doubt the Communists would have won a fair and free election.

Indeed. Even something the US admitted, hence why it had to rig elections for that piece of sh!t Diem.

Diem didn't deserve one dead American. Period. His regime was not worth a single one, nor a single cent of US taxpayer money.

I think you've lost all moral authority to call someone out when he calls Kim Jong-il "Il".

[The Populist]

His foreign policy may have been very bad, but his views on equality at home earn him a positive rating in my book.

[Daniel Z]

Mixed due to reasons already stated numerous times. Being from WA moved him from neutral to positive.

[MK]

The first Neoconservative to run for president on the Democratic side.