Israel-Gaza war

[Horus]

https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1717241394761269452?s=20
Totally unserious country.

Tribalism will make people create excuses for the wildest stuff they wouldn’t even think about doing otherwise, like acting Orban type of politics are funny if they come from Israel.

I mean this is true, but your tribalism leads you to believe that imperialism isn't real if it comes from Russia. So I wouldn't laugh too much.

[Middle-aged Europe]

I must say that my interest in the conflict has significantly decreased, since it just appears to be a big, huge, insane, convoluted mess.

[lfromnj]

So Hamas claims 50 hostagees are dead from air strikes. We know there were around 200. It is pretty likely Hamas is lying but if 50 hostages are dead already it suggests a certain degree of precision from air strikes which is accurately hitting Hamas terrorists.

[Jingizu]

Just from keeping an eye on Wikipedia’s news I can tell that Bibi and the Unity Government are badly losing the information war. They should take direction from the Ukrainians if they have any competence left. Assuming they can stop shooting themselves in the d!ck, which I doubt they can.

[Badger]

As yet another tragedy continues to unfold in the Middle East, I can’t help but think of how both Palestinians (initially, then continuing) and Israelis (later, also continuing) could’ve made different decisions that could’ve avoided this. If Arafat hadn’t rejected Clinton’s offer and launched the Second Intifada…if Israel had never elected Bibi Netanyahu in the first place…and so much more. 

And don't forget if rabin hadn't been killed

[Meclazine for Israel]

Update from the Holy Lands.

PBS News Hour

https://youtu.be/CTx8wEmzHgg?t=874

Foreign Minister of Iran, Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, in a speech to the UN in New York City said “Hamas is ready to release the civilian hostages”.

Hossein also showed a level of annoyance with the US as President Biden continues to support Israel.

“US will not be 'spared the fire’“ Hossein was quoted as saying.

https://twitter.com/PressTV/status/1717626317259079739?s=20

In the report on the ground from PBS, Thomas White, an Australian in Gaza working as Director of UNRWA, said that fuel is next to running out for his aid operations in Gaza.

ABC.net.au

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-27/israel-gaza-updates-gaza-health-reports-7000-deaths-in-document/103029230

The Gaza media are now under a ‘credibility-threat’ following the US President, Joe Biden, casting doubt on death toll numbers in Gaza.

In Australia, the Jewish population has staged an interesting protest in Melbourne highlighting kidnapped babies and children by Hamas.


The strollers each represented a child who had been taken hostage by Hamas.(ABC News: Rudy De Santis)

Al Jazeera

Al Jazeera, which is now essentially a ‘Hamas mouthpiece’ has taken a very dim view of Biden’s comments running it as their top story.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/26/appalling-why-has-biden-cast-doubt-on-the-palestinian-death-count

‘United States President Joe Biden cast doubt over the figures, saying that he has “no confidence in the number that the Palestinians are using”.

“I have no notion that the Palestinians are telling the truth about how many people are killed,” Biden said on Wednesday.’

The mood amongst Gazan analysts on Al Jazeera has turned very pessimistic.

Tamer Qarmout, Assistant Professor at Doha Institute for Graduate Studies told Al Jazeera yesterday he predicts a total explosion of refugees emanating from the southern Gaza border at Rafah.

“I expect the worst” he said. He followed up with saying the Israeli’s are gearing up for a systematic movement south of all Gazan’s displaced from their homeland.

Tamer put this down to the severe lack of aid coming through the border and the continued aerial bombing from Israel.

Right on cue, Israel continued with their intense bombing on Gaza in the last 24 hours.


Gaza – 26 October 2023 (Getty Images)

[Jingizu]

As yet another tragedy continues to unfold in the Middle East, I can’t help but think of how both Palestinians (initially, then continuing) and Israelis (later, also continuing) could’ve made different decisions that could’ve avoided this. If Arafat hadn’t rejected Clinton’s offer and launched the Second Intifada…if Israel had never elected Bibi Netanyahu in the first place…and so much more. 

And don't forget if rabin hadn't been killed

That’s one of the huge ones, yes 

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

As yet another tragedy continues to unfold in the Middle East, I can’t help but think of how both Palestinians (initially, then continuing) and Israelis (later, also continuing) could’ve made different decisions that could’ve avoided this. If Arafat hadn’t rejected Clinton’s offer and launched the Second Intifada…if Israel had never elected Bibi Netanyahu in the first place…and so much more. 

And don't forget if rabin hadn't been killed

That’s one of the huge ones, yes 

They always talk about how you can't let the terrorists win, but it's pretty clear that the terrorist Yigal Amir won.

[Jingizu]

As yet another tragedy continues to unfold in the Middle East, I can’t help but think of how both Palestinians (initially, then continuing) and Israelis (later, also continuing) could’ve made different decisions that could’ve avoided this. If Arafat hadn’t rejected Clinton’s offer and launched the Second Intifada…if Israel had never elected Bibi Netanyahu in the first place…and so much more. 

And don't forget if rabin hadn't been killed

That’s one of the huge ones, yes 

They always talk about how you can't let the terrorists win, but it's pretty clear that the terrorist Yigal Amir won.

At the time, I thought it was a troubling potential sign for the future in Israel. An understatement by several orders of magnitude.

[oldtimer]

I must say that my interest in the conflict has significantly decreased, since it just appears to be a big, huge, insane, convoluted mess.

"Always was"

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

https://twitter.com/SajjadSafaei0/status/1717902521434341748?s=20

[Frodo]

It is a testament to American influence (through President Biden) that Israel is still holding back from a full-scale invasion of Gaza, even after all this time since the initial massacres of October 7th by Hamas militants.  How long has it been -three weeks now?  

[Angel of Death]

It is a testament to American influence (through President Biden) that Israel is still holding back from a full-scale invasion of Gaza, even after all this time since the initial massacres of October 7th by Hamas militants.  How long has it been -three weeks now?

Not everything is always (entirely) about the US.

[Frodo]

It is a testament to American influence (through President Biden) that Israel is still holding back from a full-scale invasion of Gaza, even after all this time since the initial massacres of October 7th by Hamas militants.  How long has it been -three weeks now?

Not everything is always (entirely) about the US.

I have no doubt there are internal doubts within Israel about going in guns blazing into Gaza, but that hardly contradicts what I just said.  The fact we are Israel's single greatest ally, and that President Biden made an unambiguous statement of support to Israel immediately after that fateful day backed with aid are the major reasons why Israel is heeding our advice to hold back.  We are the only power in the world they trust.   

[Comrade Funk]

It is a testament to American influence (through President Biden) that Israel is still holding back from a full-scale invasion of Gaza, even after all this time since the initial massacres of October 7th by Hamas militants.  How long has it been -three weeks now?

Not everything is always (entirely) about the US.

In this case, a lot of it is

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

54 of the hostages, one quarter of all, are Thai, agricultural workers from the Kibbutzim.

This is completely irrelevant to the broader conflict, but that surprised me: i always thought kibbutzim were basically self-sustaining enterprises.

[Logical]

The end of the beginning
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1717955175095185837

[Hnv1]

I'm not sure this is the full beginning, as the logical move of severing Gaza City from the south via Wadi Gaza is not happening atm. I think this a divisional sized recon in force, or in mob terms a shakedown of Hamas and Qatar to speed up the hostage deal or else.


Edit: I retract this comment. we have confirmation of movement north of Deir El Balah

[emailking]

IDF announces expansion of ground operation in Gaza after heavy round of airstrikes

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) is “expanding ground operations” in the Gaza Strip, IDF spokesman Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari announced Friday, as intense airstrikes rocked the besieged enclave and with communications links reportedly severed.

Gaza residents told CNN the strikes were the most intense they have experienced since Israel began to retaliate against Hamas’ October 7 terror attack nearly three weeks ago.

A CNN team on the ground in southern Israel, close to the border with Gaza, reported a series of large explosions rocking Gaza City in the north of the enclave, as well as “unusual, intense and sustained” military activity for the past couple of hours. A huge wall of heavy smoke that lasted 15 to 30 minutes also blew from Gaza into southern Israel earlier Friday evening.

Jawwal, which provides mobile service to the Gaza Strip, said in a statement Friday “the intense bombardment in the past hour has resulted in the destruction of all remaining international routes connecting Gaza with the outside world,” leading to a “complete interruption of telecommunications services.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/27/middleeast/israel-gaza-ground-operations-airstrike-intl/index.html

[jaichind]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/27/us-urging-israel-rethinkg-gaza-ground-invasion/

"U.S. urges Israel against Gaza ground invasion, pushes surgical campaign"

[jaichind]

Many Twitter sources seems to indicate that this is the direction of the IDF offensive

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

How stupid do they think we are? This is video game exposition.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1717954369914614091?s=20

[jaichind]

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-10-27-23/index.html

"White House won't say if Israel notified US in advance of IDF's announcement of expanded operations"

[Middle-aged Europe]

I'm not sure this is the full beginning, as the logical move of severing Gaza City from the south via Wadi Gaza is not happening atm. I think this a divisional sized recon in force, or in mob terms a shakedown of Hamas and Qatar to speed up the hostage deal or else.


Edit: I retract this comment. we have confirmation of movement north of Deir El Balah

BBC News reports that hostage negotiations have been suspended:

I have been hearing over the course of the day that negotiations between the two sides had been taking place and were making progress - that they had been discussing the possible release of hostages, and perhaps a humanitarian pause in the fighting over the next few days.

The talks had stalled in the afternoon over what seemed to be some minor details, and since the announcement of Israel’s new offensive, it appears they have stopped.

With Israeli tanks and troops set to enter Gaza, there doesn’t appear to be much hope they will pick up again while this offensive is going on.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Police have closed Al-Aqsa Mosque. Terrifying possibility that the Israeli right might want to pull the trigger on the fever dream of building the Third Temple.