Israel-Gaza war

[Frodo]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/15/us/politics/biden-israel-gaza.html

President Biden is warning Israel not occupy Gaza, since it will be a disaster. He does says he supports any military effort to destroy Hamas. But afterwards, the Gaza strip needs to be returned to the Palestitian Authroity like pre-2006.

Here I disagree with him -the border (and the adjacent lands) with Egypt at least should be overseen by Israel.  And underneath it especially.... 

[Horus]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/15/us/politics/biden-israel-gaza.html

President Biden is warning Israel not occupy Gaza, since it will be a disaster. He does says he supports any military effort to destroy Hamas. But afterwards, the Gaza strip needs to be returned to the Palestitian Authroity like pre-2006.

Biden is slowly seeing the light. This is perhaps the most neutral rhetoric I've heard from a president on Israel Palestine in my lifetime. Maybe he is disturbed by the images and videos of consistent, excessive and blatant Israeli war crimes, anyone with a heart should be.

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/15/us/politics/biden-israel-gaza.html

President Biden is warning Israel not occupy Gaza, since it will be a disaster. He does says he supports any military effort to destroy Hamas. But afterwards, the Gaza strip needs to be returned to the Palestitian Authroity like pre-2006.

This is moronic . Gaza will have to be occupied and denazified first

[Ferguson97]

This is moronic . Gaza will have to be occupied and denazified first

Denazification didn't work in Germany, what makes you think it will work in Palestine?

[Horus]

This is moronic . Gaza will have to be occupied and denazified first

Denazification didn't work in Germany, what makes you think it will work in Palestine?

He's using "denazification" in the same way as Putin. Makes sense, seeing as Putin and his cronies are the neocons of the anti West.

[Dr. MB]

The other comment I've heard from more than one person is that while its true that the Palestinian cause has been doomed by Hamas' terror attacks, it doesn't matter because the cause was doomed anyway; that all Hamas has accomplished was to accelerate the inevitable.

Quite. To quote a line that wasn't said by the man who turned down the offer to become Israel's President: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results."

The Palestinians have spent 75 years engaging in violence against Israel and gone backwards.

They might have learned something from Mahatma Gandhi and his liberation movement in British India if they bothered to early on.  Oh well.  They chose the path of violence, and this is where they ended up -staring down the barrel of genocide.

They tried that a few years ago and got massacred. Unreal levels of depravity on this forum.

Indeed, this kind of moralyzing posts claiming that Palestinians have a taste for violence and bear a collective guilt for the terrorist actions committed by some groups is appalling. The IDF massacred the March for Return, a peaceful demonstration by the border fence in Gaza

 Israeli forces responded by shooting tear gas canisters, some of them dropped from drones, rubber bullets and live ammunition, mostly by snipers. As a result, 214 Palestinians, including 46 children, were killed, and over 36,100, including nearly 8,800 children have been injured.  

Peaceful resistance does not guarantee a peaceful response by a repressive state. The March for Return was basically telling Israeli authorities "Let My People Go". The soldiers opened deadly fire

Trim your link please

[Ferguson97]

https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1713723217968238778

[Vosem]

This is moronic . Gaza will have to be occupied and denazified first

Denazification didn't work in Germany, what makes you think it will work in Palestine?

Sure it did? The goals of eastern conquest, genocide, and enslavement of peoples were abandoned, and today Germany literally celebrates the Allied victory and maintains monuments to the Red Army. No reason that the same attitude could not in theory be inculcated in Palestine; the biggest obstacle is the existence of foreign groups that find Palestinian liberation sympathetic. To destroy Hamas it may be necessary to destroy Amnesty International, along with similar organizations.

[Angel of Death]

https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1713723217968238778

It's kind of funny, because I believe it was the same Wall Street Journal who some years ago wrote an in-depth report about how Israel had helped with the rise of Hamas to divide the Palestinians.

[Ferguson97]

This is moronic . Gaza will have to be occupied and denazified first

Denazification didn't work in Germany, what makes you think it will work in Palestine?

Sure it did? The goals of eastern conquest, genocide, and enslavement of peoples were abandoned, and today Germany literally celebrates the Allied victory and maintains monuments to the Red Army. No reason that the same attitude could not in theory be inculcated in Palestine; the biggest obstacle is the existence of foreign groups that find Palestinian liberation sympathetic. To destroy Hamas it may be necessary to destroy Amnesty International, along with similar organizations.

Germany denazified in spite of the Allies' efforts, not because of them.

[Ferguson97]

Neocons in shambles

https://twitter.com/Bsamuels0/status/1713734150836912408

[OSR stands with Israel]

This is moronic . Gaza will have to be occupied and denazified first

Denazification didn't work in Germany, what makes you think it will work in Palestine?

How did it not work ?

- We turned Germany into a stable democracy pretty quickly just years after being led by the most evil regime in history . Germany also didn’t have a history of being a stable democracy as the Weimar Republic was a complete mess and the German Empire wasn’t really a monarchy

- We turned a nation that has been the biggest enemy to the West for 3 quarters of a century into one of our biggest Allies

- We even broke the toxic parts of Prussian nationalism that led Germans down not only the Nazi path but also their WW1 regime too

[Vosem]

https://twitter.com/RealTimeWWII/status/1713554813764464678

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Horizon Geopolitics

The Gaza Strip

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyWkcpLqxWt/

[Silent Hunter]

A lot of Palestinian protest seems to be throwing Molotov cocktails, stones and rocks at people, which hardly seems peaceful from my perspective. Where I come from, peaceful protest involves holding placards, blocking roads and chaining yourself to things. Although I admit the latter two aren't being that effective for some groups.

[oldtimer]

A lot of Palestinian protest seems to be throwing Molotov cocktails, stones and rocks at people, which hardly seems peaceful from my perspective. Where I come from, peaceful protest involves holding placards, blocking roads and chaining yourself to things. Although I admit the latter two aren't being that effective for some groups.

Sounds like a typical protest in Greece:

[Silent Hunter]

That's called a riot.

[Cassius]

This is moronic . Gaza will have to be occupied and denazified first

Denazification didn't work in Germany, what makes you think it will work in Palestine?

How did it not work ?

- We turned Germany into a stable democracy pretty quickly just years after being led by the most evil regime in history . Germany also didn’t have a history of being a stable democracy as the Weimar Republic was a complete mess and the German Empire wasn’t really a monarchy

- We turned a nation that has been the biggest enemy to the West for 3 quarters of a century into one of our biggest Allies

- We even broke the toxic parts of Prussian nationalism that led Germans down not only the Nazi path but also their WW1 regime too

1. Germany had a long history of liberalism and parliamentarianism to work with (the Imperial Reichstag very much was not a rubber stamp body, even if it wasn’t as powerful as say, the UK parliament or US congress). The Nazi regime was arguably more of an aberration in German history than Weimar was.
2. I’m not a fan of the term ‘the West’ in general, but excluding the Germans from it at any point reduces the concept to total incoherence.
3. ‘Prussian nationalism’ (although I assume you mean Prussian militarism) as a driving factor behind the Nazi regime is largely a myth.

Anyway, Denazification did fail in the short term after World War II, as it was impossible to ‘Denazify’ a society in which so many had been party members or various other categories of Mitläufer. Just because the country returned to having a liberal parliamentary system does not mean that most Germans of the period necessarily accepted that everything done during the Nazi regime was wrong (and of course vast numbers of former party members and Miltäufer returned to positions in the government, military, business etc during the postwar period). Since the 1960s, Germany has developed a rather unique and self-effacing (one might call it self-flagellating) attitude, but that was very much due to an internal re-evaluation of Germany’s history by (generally) younger generations than due to anything imposed upon Germany by the Allies.

[Birdish]

The amount if antisemitism i've read on Reddit the last few days has been eye opening. Not just anti-Israel, but anti-jewish. Not to mention repeated claims of "ai produced" pictures of dead children. Its rampart on most of the major subreddits. I guess thats where the college kids are getting it these days. I'm sure it will subside after the conflict ends, but boy is it sad to see.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Missile damage, maps and locations from New York Times, who have promised to monitor the situation with maps live as the ground assault begins.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/10/07/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-maps.html

Death by Date



Missile Damage in Gaza City by Location


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Map of Gaza from CNN


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https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/15/middleeast/gaza-history-explained-intl/index.html

The damage to the road at the bottom of Northern Gaza was caused by Hamas to prevent people from leaving. Israel deliberately avoided bombing that road to allow civilians to leave before the 'shock and awe' campaign coming up next.

[oldtimer]

That's called a riot.

All greek protests are more or less like that since the mid 1980's.

This one is from the first new "traditional" greek protests in 1985:

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

The West Bank appears to be starting to spiral:

https://www.wionews.com/world/is-israel-preparing-for-two-front-war-israeli-army-evacuates-near-lebanon-border-after-hezbollah-attack-647611

West Bank violence

According to the Palestinian Authority’s health ministry, at least 58 Palestinians have been killed and more than 1,100 have been injured since Saturday (Oct 7) – after Hamas launched its deadly surprise attack on Israel – in clashes with Israeli troops, arrest raids and attacks by Jewish settlers.

Meanwhile, the IDF, on Monday (Oct 16) said its troops have arrested 360 wanted Palestinians across the West Bank, including 210 affiliated with Hamas, since the beginning of the war with the Palestinian militant group in Gaza.

The Israeli military claims that 20 Hamas members were arrested last night alone and seized weapons and military equipment from one of the detainees in the village of Kafr Qallil.

There have been multiple reports of clashes erupting between the Israeli army and Palestinians in the West Bank in recent days, particularly since the war between Hamas and Israel began. The United Nations has also called the past week the deadliest for West Bank Palestinians since at least 2005.

[Meclazine for Israel]

An intelligent guy from England, BBC Journalist, Sebastian Usher, discusses Israel's neighbours and analyses the spectrum of Islamic countries which surrounds Israel.

Sebastian Usher

Israel Conflict

https://youtu.be/Nh74H8Pyb8A

Sebastian hints that Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan cannot afford financially to get into a conflict with Israel and USA.

[Velasco]

They have lost any trace of decency. Their absolute disregard of human lives is appalling.

https://twitter.com/YairWallach/status/1713911949358948637?t=xFsV-y5DzAinS8Fl6Iu...

[Meclazine for Israel]

Catholic Position on Israel

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyZAaXguquZ/