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« Reply #6700 on: March 30, 2024, 04:56:08 AM »

Bidey Bides sending more bombs and F-35's to Israel.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-march-29-2024/

One thing I like about Biden. He is 100% behind Israel when it counts.
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« Reply #6701 on: March 30, 2024, 05:18:21 AM »

Has Israel used F-35s over Gaza?
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« Reply #6702 on: March 30, 2024, 06:59:58 AM »

Daniel Spaulding

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What a fine character. That would not be easy for an American to do, to help carry their weight.
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« Reply #6703 on: March 30, 2024, 07:27:24 AM »

Israel has already lost the war regardless if Hamas is destroyed (unlikley) or not. They have lost decades of prestige, irreparably damaged their relationship with the US, and are on the fast track to pariah status. But keeping power and staying out of prison is Netanyahu's goal above all else. And hurting Biden by extending this thing and killing more children is his best strategy.
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« Reply #6704 on: March 30, 2024, 10:30:23 AM »

Bibi could be about to lose power (finally) due to domestic developments though.

In which case, his dragging Israel's wider reputation through the mud for such nakedly self interested reasons will look even more pointless. And his successors will be paying the price.
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« Reply #6705 on: March 30, 2024, 10:36:54 AM »

The Palestinians have also lost heavily. Israel has cut off a big source of income via stopping them coming across the border to work and not collecting taxes for the PA.
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« Reply #6706 on: March 31, 2024, 06:00:55 AM »
« Edited: March 31, 2024, 06:05:01 AM by Red Velvet »

Israel has already lost the war regardless if Hamas is destroyed (unlikley) or not. They have lost decades of prestige, irreparably damaged their relationship with the US, and are on the fast track to pariah status. But keeping power and staying out of prison is Netanyahu's goal above all else. And hurting Biden by extending this thing and killing more children is his best strategy.

It’s honestly impressive how the Global Far-Right has the reverse Golden Touch of Midas: everything they touch turns into a massive pile of sh*t instead.

Happened in Hungary; USA; Brazil and now Israel too. But the longer they stay in power, the bigger and more irreversible the damage is. In Israel case some people will still pretend to eat that sh*t like it was chocolate when they naturally wouldn’t but you can’t do that for too much long without vomiting and that’s what we’re seeing from places in the West, especially US.

After the open invitation of the Israeli government for the visit of Bolsonaro (whose passport is restrained by justice!) and other Brazilian Far-Right politicians, when they do this kind of lobbying for Trump in US as well, I feel like Israel has geopolitically positioned itself like a Hungary to much of the world, as if it was a safe place to people who hold that kind of ideology.

Like, if Bolsonaro hadn’t hide in the Hungarian embassy here after his passport was confiscated, I’m quite sure the Israeli one would be his 2nd option of the available ones.

It didn’t happen from one day to another, showing that the Far-Right takes power and destroys gradually. Orbán is in power since 2010 (14 years) and Netanyahu since 2009 (14 years too, with one year hiatus in 2021/2022)
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« Reply #6707 on: March 31, 2024, 07:29:20 AM »
« Edited: March 31, 2024, 08:35:40 AM by Velasco »

Israel lost the public relations war some time ago and its reputation is tarnished forever, but this is not the most harmful consequence of the Gaza Genocide from a global perspective

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« Reply #6708 on: March 31, 2024, 07:42:09 AM »

Israel lost the public relations war some time ago....

Total and utter....

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« Reply #6709 on: March 31, 2024, 01:02:42 PM »


Have you ever made a post that wasn't a link to a video?
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« Reply #6710 on: April 01, 2024, 03:29:46 PM »
« Edited: April 01, 2024, 03:32:56 PM by President Punxsutawney Phil »

Israel has attacked and at least damaged the Iranian embassy in Syria.
Bibi wants war to expand for sake of his own job security.
Biden shouldn't play this game IMO.
He should work with Iran if needed.
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« Reply #6711 on: April 01, 2024, 03:35:40 PM »

https://www.93fm.co.il/radio/1000266/
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In the published documents, a building near the embassy was bombed and destroyed, the embassy building itself was also damaged. Iranian media: The building that was attacked is the building of the Iranian consulate that the Iranian ambassador in Syria uses as a residence.
The Canadian embassy was right next door. This is evidence Israel could be acting with precision in Gaza. But isn't.
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« Reply #6712 on: April 01, 2024, 04:23:19 PM »

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/01/opinion/two-state-solution-israel-palestine.html

Writers/academics like this are a major part of the problem. They do nothing but pour gasoline on a burning fire.
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« Reply #6713 on: April 01, 2024, 04:27:27 PM »

https://www.politico.eu/article/netanyahu-faces-israel-coalition-crisis-over-drafting-ultra-orthodox-jews/

Guessing this has been talked about before but will this break the governing coalition?

Also will these fully haredi auxiliary units even work?
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« Reply #6714 on: April 01, 2024, 05:53:28 PM »

5 aid workers have been killed by an Israeli air strike. Among them are are Australian, Polish, UK and Irish nationals
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« Reply #6715 on: April 01, 2024, 05:55:31 PM »

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« Reply #6716 on: April 01, 2024, 06:37:31 PM »

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« Reply #6717 on: April 01, 2024, 07:01:51 PM »



If we take the IDF at their word and assume that they

1. actually successfully neutralized Hamas militarily in Gaza City and
2. actually cared about Palestinian civilians

then the obvious question is: why didn't the IDF establish Al-Shifa as a humanitarian safe zone after they took it over the first time? Instead they raided it three times and left nothing but a burnt out husk



pretty incongruous with their stated claims, though they've got such a long record of blatantly lying that I'm surprised anyone believes them that isn't paid to believe them.

So here's what actually happened: JSIL rolled up on a hospital, established an "extermination zone" and began executing people including doctors and children. Not with the goal of achieving any military objective but with the goal of engaging in collective punishment by intentionally destroying the Gazan healthcare system. The fact that even the halfwit you're quoting says that they're firing around Al Shifa rather than inside Al Shifa suggests that the Israelis attacked and the bulk of the militants showed up after the fact.

Under those circumstances, firing RPGs at the ravaging horde of sick freaks trying to torture and slaughter a bunch of hospital patients is probably the most morally righteous thing Hamas has ever done. The IDF can't be allowed to commit atrocities without paying a cost.
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« Reply #6718 on: April 02, 2024, 12:59:29 AM »


It’s up to seven now.

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"I am heartbroken and appalled that we - World Central Kitchen and the world - lost beautiful lives today because of a targeted attack by the IDF," the charity's CEO Erin Gore said in a statement.

"The love they had for feeding people, the determination they embodied to show that humanity rises above all, and the impact they made in countless lives will forever be remembered and cherished".

Ms Gore said WCK was pausing its operations immediately in the region.
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« Reply #6719 on: April 02, 2024, 08:10:29 AM »


This is especially bad because it appears the group coordinated its movements there with the IDF and gave notice (and received a green light to depart) that it was unloading food trucks at an Al-Aqsa Martyr’s Brigade complex.  That it was doing so is sketchy at best, but it did receive approval and the IDF isn’t denying that they knew the aid group was doing so then.  The IDF says it’s investigating what happened here and it doesn’t sound like this was approved by leadership reading between the lines, but someone above the “random low-level rogue soldier” level presumably had to sign off.  I will wait for more information before making final judgement, but if everything is as it appears then this is completely unacceptable on the part of the IDF.  Tell them they can’t unload food trucks at terrorist groups’ compounds or better yet, bomb the Al-Aqsa Martyr’s brigade complex itself well after the aide workers have left.  If everything is as it seems with this, then it’s not like this was even the only way to pull off some vital operation.

I would also note that this is not the only recent Israeli military action I have a real problem with.  I get that the airstrike in Damascus was a rare opportunity to take out some really bad and high-level targets (a top level commander of an elite unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard who was also in charge of all Iranian intelligence and paramilitary operations in Syria and Lebanon, two other senior commanders, and four prominent Iranian military advisors), but this was completely unacceptable for a whole host of reasons.

The plain and simple fact is that you can’t do air strikes on embassies.  Some are claiming Israel merely bombed the residence of the Iranian Ambassador to Syria when he was absent and a meeting was being held there, but that’d be even worse.  Imagine if Iran blew up the Israeli Embassy in Turkey.  Does anyone honestly believe the US wouldn’t be screaming bloody murder or that Israel wouldn’t rightly be treating that as an act of war?  Even if Yahya Sinwar, Haniyeh, Deif, and Mashal had all been camped out there and been killed in the strike, this would still reckless, irresponsible, and completely unacceptable conduct by Israel.  You cannot bomb embassies or ambassador residences.  There is no excuse for this and I hope there are some sort of consequences or proportionate UN sanctions on Israel for doing this.  

By contrast, the hospital complex raid was a pretty unambiguous military success and I don’t chide Israel at all for doing it.  This was an area where Israel had expelled Hamas before and then Hamas essentially came back and converted it into a military intelligence compound of sorts.  A lot of valuable intelligence and documents were seized, hundreds of Hamas and PIJ militants were captured, some notable lower-level Hamas intelligence operatives were killed, and one of the top ten guys in Hamas’ military hierarchy was killed in a gunfight while he tried to escape Israeli soldiers who found him hiding in the maternity ward (hot off the heels of another notable military guy turning out to have been unexpectedly killed in the Issa airstrike, making it a two for one).

That said, it is important to acknowledge that the Al-Shaifa raid was not without its downside.  Because Hamas made a major base in a large hospital complex upon quietly retaking it, tons of Palestinian civilians who had been sheltering there were in the line of fire.  While I think Israel was definitely right to drive Hamas from the complex and that the operation should be considered a success, it is still important to acknowledge and not hand waive away the very real human cost resulting from Hamas’ strategy of turning Palestinian civilians into human shields.  It makes the unnecessary loss of innocent lives inevitable and that is a horrible tragedy whether those lives are Palestinian, Israeli, or any other group.  Innocent lives are innocent lives and you can acknowledge the necessity of something like the Al-Shaifa Hospital operation while still mourning the innocent lives lost.
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« Reply #6720 on: April 02, 2024, 08:55:39 AM »



Munther Issac gives a throughfully Easter message about the ongoing genocide in the city that birth Jesus Christ. His oratory was heart-gutching, as the Christian community in Gaza has shrunk since the start of the war on Gaza in October. All the Christian Zionists should look up to this man for guidance of faith in the region, but they're too busy waiting for the second coming to give a damn about what an actual Chridtian thinks who lives in the region. 



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« Reply #6721 on: April 02, 2024, 09:31:28 AM »

Christians in Gaza don't believe in THE RAPTURE though, and so deserve to die.
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« Reply #6722 on: April 02, 2024, 10:46:21 AM »

By contrast, the hospital complex raid was a pretty unambiguous military success and I don’t chide Israel at all for doing it.  This was an area where Israel had expelled Hamas before and then Hamas essentially came back and converted it into a military intelligence compound of sorts.  A lot of valuable intelligence and documents were seized, hundreds of Hamas and PIJ militants were captured, some notable lower-level Hamas intelligence operatives were killed, and one of the top ten guys in Hamas’ military hierarchy was killed in a gunfight while he tried to escape Israeli soldiers who found him hiding in the maternity ward (hot off the heels of another notable military guy turning out to have been unexpectedly killed in the Issa airstrike, making it a two for one).

That said, it is important to acknowledge that the Al-Shaifa raid was not without its downside.  Because Hamas made a major base in a large hospital complex upon quietly retaking it, tons of Palestinian civilians who had been sheltering there were in the line of fire.  While I think Israel was definitely right to drive Hamas from the complex and that the operation should be considered a success, it is still important to acknowledge and not hand waive away the very real human cost resulting from Hamas’ strategy of turning Palestinian civilians into human shields.  It makes the unnecessary loss of innocent lives inevitable and that is a horrible tragedy whether those lives are Palestinian, Israeli, or any other group.  Innocent lives are innocent lives and you can acknowledge the necessity of something like the Al-Shaifa Hospital operation while still mourning the innocent lives lost.

Once again, why did the IDF raid the hospital (three times!) instead of controlling the hospital and using it as an aid distribution site? That would obviously prevent Hamas from returning and would solve the humanitarian crisis in Gaza City while also letting whoever the Israelis want to replace Gaza gain some influence and reputation along the way.

Also, why would Hamas and PIJ hide out in a hospital when the IDF has made it abundantly clear that they have no problem sniping at, bombing or raiding hospitals without hestitation? Obviously human shields don't work against Israel, so why would they use the exact same tactic at the exact same location multiple times in a row?

Well, the picture starts to become clear when you realize that the highest ranking Hamas members to get eliminated weren't military operatives but members of the civil administration and police, the same police force Biden explicitly told Netanyahu to stop targeting for the sake of maintaining order and distributing aid. That would be pretty strange if it were a Hamas military headquarters but makes perfect sense if Hamas did what the Israelis should have been doing: using Al Shifa as an aid distribution site and a hospital.

But we don't have to speculate that the IDF's cover story about a "terrorist stronghold" is total BS because they were stupid enough to post a collage of "dead terrorists" that included people that aren't in Gaza, people that were dead before the raid even started, people that are still alive, doctors who clearly bear no affiliation with Hamas and duplicate entries that the intern tasked with pumping out propaganda forgot to remove

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« Reply #6723 on: April 02, 2024, 02:47:22 PM »

They've lost the war regardless of what happens to Hamas.
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« Reply #6724 on: April 02, 2024, 03:03:59 PM »

They've lost the war regardless of what happens to Hamas.

Israel can't possibly lose this war as long as it's still standing, because 10/7 laid the stakes clear. The goal is the bloody murder of every man, woman, and child in Israel, followed by that spurring global violence targeting diaspora Jewish communities. It shouldn't surprise anyone that any alternative is preferable to that.
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