Israel-Gaza war

[oldtimer]

So live on CNN looks like Israeli missile defense systems have moved closer to Gaza and are intercepting most of the incoming rockets.

Still, pretty clear that Iron Dome is not 100% effective when it comes to intercepting drone swarms to distract Israeli air defense systems from incoming rockets.

Nothing is 100% effective.

[Ferguson97]

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1710799477282390175?s=46&t=kjGKwMpTB...

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4243414-medvedev-says-hamas-attacks-expected-development/

Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said Hamas’ widespread attacks on Israel Saturday “come as an expected development,” using the opportunity to denounce U.S. influence in the Middle East and in Ukraine.

The Palestinian militant group launched the largest attack on Israel in decades early Saturday, invading multiple Israeli towns and launching missiles into the country.

The Palestinian government claimed that about 200 people have died, while the Israeli government said there have been about 40 deaths.

[Red Velvet]

The Brandenburg Gate in Berlin tonight.

Odd déjà vu... it used to be Blue-Yellow colour scheme back in February of 2022.

Ukraine War apparently is over. Zelensky is the biggest loser of this Israel conflict, not only it’s more recent, it’s a way more geopolitically strategic region for the Americans than Ukraine ever was close to be.

Imagine if China declares war with Taiwan too, clearly both Taiwan AND Israel will suck up most of the air inside the West as they’re considered more “important”.

[Horus]

The Brandenburg Gate in Berlin tonight.

Odd déjà vu... it used to be Blue-Yellow colour scheme back in February of 2022.

Ukraine War apparently is over. Zelensky is the biggest loser of this Israel conflict, not only it’s more recent, it’s a way more geopolitically strategic region for the Americans than Ukraine ever was close to be.

Imagine if China declares war with Taiwan too, clearly both Taiwan AND Israel will suck up most of the air inside the West as they’re considered more “important”.

Well, a third of our population is Evangelical, and they prioritize Israel over America. Are Evangelicals in Brazil just as obsessed?

[Ferguson97]

Ukraine War apparently is over. Zelensky is the biggest loser of this Israel conflict, not only it’s more recent, it’s a way more geopolitically strategic region for the Americans than Ukraine ever was close to be.

Imagine if China declares war with Taiwan too, clearly both Taiwan AND Israel will suck up most of the air inside the West as they’re considered more “important”.

This is an idiotic thing to say.

[Birdish]

The Brandenburg Gate in Berlin tonight.

Odd déjà vu... it used to be Blue-Yellow colour scheme back in February of 2022.

Ukraine War apparently is over. Zelensky is the biggest loser of this Israel conflict, not only it’s more recent, it’s a way more geopolitically strategic region for the Americans than Ukraine ever was close to be.

Imagine if China declares war with Taiwan too, clearly both Taiwan AND Israel will suck up most of the air inside the West as they’re considered more “important”.

It might surprise you, but countries and their citizens are more than capable of focusing on more than one international crisis at a time. One does not negate the other.

[Horus]

Ukraine War apparently is over. Zelensky is the biggest loser of this Israel conflict, not only it’s more recent, it’s a way more geopolitically strategic region for the Americans than Ukraine ever was close to be.

Imagine if China declares war with Taiwan too, clearly both Taiwan AND Israel will suck up most of the air inside the West as they’re considered more “important”.

This is an idiotic thing to say.

Nah he's completely right. Israel Palestine takes up an inordinately huge amount of space in our news despite their small size. Ukraine is sadly old news and the media blob is probably ecstatic that there's a new war, and in a country a third of Americans worship to boot.

As a strong supporter of Ukraine I hate it.

[Ferguson97]

Ukraine War apparently is over. Zelensky is the biggest loser of this Israel conflict, not only it’s more recent, it’s a way more geopolitically strategic region for the Americans than Ukraine ever was close to be.

Imagine if China declares war with Taiwan too, clearly both Taiwan AND Israel will suck up most of the air inside the West as they’re considered more “important”.

This is an idiotic thing to say.

Nah he's completely right. Israel Palestine takes up an inordinately huge amount of space in our news despite their small size. Ukraine is sadly old news and the media blob is probably ecstatic that there's a new war, and in a country a third of Americans worship to boot.

As a strong supporter of Ukraine I hate it.

It's not going to reduce America's funding for Ukraine, as he's implying.

[DaleCooper]

Ukraine War apparently is over. Zelensky is the biggest loser of this Israel conflict, not only it’s more recent, it’s a way more geopolitically strategic region for the Americans than Ukraine ever was close to be.

Imagine if China declares war with Taiwan too, clearly both Taiwan AND Israel will suck up most of the air inside the West as they’re considered more “important”.

This is an idiotic thing to say.

Nah he's completely right. Israel Palestine takes up an inordinately huge amount of space in our news despite their small size. Ukraine is sadly old news and the media blob is probably ecstatic that there's a new war, and in a country a third of Americans worship to boot.

As a strong supporter of Ukraine I hate it.

It's not going to reduce America's funding for Ukraine, as he's implying.

If anything it takes the public's attention away from Ukraine's funding, which is probably the best thing that could happen to Ukraine right now.

[It’s so Joever]

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4243414-medvedev-says-hamas-attacks-expected-development/

Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said Hamas’ widespread attacks on Israel Saturday “come as an expected development,” using the opportunity to denounce U.S. influence in the Middle East and in Ukraine.

The Palestinian militant group launched the largest attack on Israel in decades early Saturday, invading multiple Israeli towns and launching missiles into the country.

The Palestinian government claimed that about 200 people have died, while the Israeli government said there have been about 40 deaths.

I hope Netanyahu sees this and realizes what a stupid idea it is to ever trut anyone within fifteen feet of the Kremlin today.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4243414-medvedev-says-hamas-attacks-expected-development/

Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said Hamas’ widespread attacks on Israel Saturday “come as an expected development,” using the opportunity to denounce U.S. influence in the Middle East and in Ukraine.

The Palestinian militant group launched the largest attack on Israel in decades early Saturday, invading multiple Israeli towns and launching missiles into the country.

The Palestinian government claimed that about 200 people have died, while the Israeli government said there have been about 40 deaths.

I hope Netanyahu sees this and realizes what a stupid idea it is to ever trut anyone within fifteen feet of the Kremlin today.

Yeah, Bennett/Lapid never had anything more with Putin than trying to appease him, but Bibi actually thinks he can work with him. And that's a recipe for disaster.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Russia's statement here is rather telling. They can't afford to look too pro-Israel or pro-Palestinian, so instead they take a middle path and attack US influence instead.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

https://twitter.com/ArielKallner/status/1710769363119141268
Never heard of this guy before, but politicians openly using the term 'Nakba' like this is plainly...how you describe this? Unhelpful?

Turn off the enemy now!
This day is our Pearl Harbor.
We will still learn the lessons.
Right now, one goal: Nakba!
A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48.
Nakba in Gaza and Nakba to anyone who dares to join!
their Nakba, because like then in 1948, the alternative is clear.

Because there is no turning back, and there is no other way,
There is no nation that will withdraw from the pits of its life

May God protect the security forces.
Netzah Israel will not lie! 🇮🇱

(Google Translate  Hebrew -> English)

[NOVA Green]

Courtesy of "Uncle Sam", in this case the CoC of the USA Joe Biden, US military assets are being redeployed to the region to perform all sorts of activities from SIGINT, to military deterence in the event that Hezbollah opens up a Northern Front or Iran stirs up mischief elsewhere.

[LabourJersey]

Would Israel become a major military operation to win its territory back tomorrow? this coming week? How fast would something like this occur?

[patzer]

Separately, I think the 24 divisions number is misleading. Judea and Samaria have a far larger border with Israel and Israel actually controls the region (and if it didn't, we would probably be seeing this attack also emerge from there), so of course more troops will be located in Judea and Samaria. The question is not why 24 divisions were in Judea and Samaria, but why Israeli troops along the border were taken by surprise and why Hamas was able to make a breach in the first place.

Go to hell.

You have something against using the traditional name for a historic region?

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Separately, I think the 24 divisions number is misleading. Judea and Samaria have a far larger border with Israel and Israel actually controls the region (and if it didn't, we would probably be seeing this attack also emerge from there), so of course more troops will be located in Judea and Samaria. The question is not why 24 divisions were in Judea and Samaria, but why Israeli troops along the border were taken by surprise and why Hamas was able to make a breach in the first place.

Go to hell.

You have something against using the traditional name for a historic region?

Don't get cute. No one is calling it Canaan.

[dead0man]

Would Israel become a major military operation to win its territory back tomorrow? this coming week? How fast would something like this occur?

Google tells me sunrise in the area is 6:40am local time, local time is GMT +3. which happens in about 2 hours and 40 minutes.  I suspect when the sun rises Israel will have taken all or most of their territory back. <because of the advantages modern western armies have fighting at night> If they haven't done it by their lunch time (5am EST), I for one will be surprised and disappointed.

edit-of course all of that is out the window if they must stop every 250 meters to resolve a hostage situation

[Pivaru]

The Brandenburg Gate in Berlin tonight.

Odd déjà vu... it used to be Blue-Yellow colour scheme back in February of 2022.

Ukraine War apparently is over. Zelensky is the biggest loser of this Israel conflict, not only it’s more recent, it’s a way more geopolitically strategic region for the Americans than Ukraine ever was close to be.

Imagine if China declares war with Taiwan too, clearly both Taiwan AND Israel will suck up most of the air inside the West as they’re considered more “important”.

Governments can pay attention to more than one geopolitical issue at time, you know? Also, implying that just because they decided to project the Israeli flag instead of the Ukrainian one means that Zelensky is going to lose western funding or something like that is just an insane reach.

[Pivaru]

Well, a third of our population is Evangelical, and they prioritize Israel over America. Are Evangelicals in Brazil just as obsessed?

They aren't quite as obsessed with Israel as their American counterparts, but they're still hold it in high regard. Bolsonaro had a whole episode where he wanted to transfer the embassy to Jerusalem and back when he was elected, it was common to see his supporters boasting the Israeli flag emoji (in addition to the American and Brazilian flags) on their twitter usernames and such.

[Alben Barkley]

So basically it seems to me that it is almost inevitable Israel will invade and occupy the Gaza Strip.

Just like the US with the Taliban, deposing Hamas won't be the difficult part. That can be taken care of easily enough. Just like back then, the difficult part will be the occupation. You have a population about the size of Chicago (2 million or so people), and almost all hate your guts. So what do you do with them?

The options seem to be:

1. After wiping out Hamas, leave the region back in the hands of the Palestinians. This seems like an easy way to just return to the status quo and have it all happen all over again.

2. Integrate Gaza as a part of Israel, with full citizenship rights for Palestinians. This might sound like a great idea, until you consider those Palestinians will vote overwhelmingly for anti-Israel and anti-Semitic politicians and policies, defeating the purpose and endangering the existence of the Jewish state.

3. Occupy Gaza as essentially an actual apartheid state. Keep martial law indefinitely, do not grant Palestinians full citizenship rights. This would not only pose moral problems, it would likely also turn Israel into an international pariah like South Africa was.

4. Ethnically cleanse the Palestinians from the region, either by forced deportation or worse. This is completely unacceptable for obvious reasons.

So basically, there are no good options. 3 is probably the most likely, and it won't be pretty.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Just crazy.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-08/israel-and-hamas-at-war-after-surprise-attacks-from-gaza-strip/102947962


Smoke rises following Israeli strikes in Gaza.(Reuters: Mohammed Salem)

Do we have any live camera feeds where we can watch what is going on?

[The Mikado]

Separately, I think the 24 divisions number is misleading. Judea and Samaria have a far larger border with Israel and Israel actually controls the region (and if it didn't, we would probably be seeing this attack also emerge from there), so of course more troops will be located in Judea and Samaria. The question is not why 24 divisions were in Judea and Samaria, but why Israeli troops along the border were taken by surprise and why Hamas was able to make a breach in the first place.

Go to hell.

You have something against using the traditional name for a historic region?

Only if people start calling Israel proper Philistina. (At the time the kingdoms of Judah and Israel were extant in what's now the West Bank they did not contain most of the coast that's now Israel proper, the Philistines did).



Let's not do that. If you want to talk about that time period, I'm happy to chat on the Religion board or the History board.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

The Brandenburg Gate in Berlin tonight.

Odd déjà vu... it used to be Blue-Yellow colour scheme back in February of 2022.

Democratic Germany, for its many flaws, didn't have these embarrassing hangups and, unlike the crypto-Nazi West, knew when to stand against colonialism and apartheid.