Israel-Gaza war

[patzer]

@patzer
After what happened with Jordan and the PLO in the 1970s which country in the Arab world wants to take Gaza refugees in any meaningful number?

Yes, that's the crux of the issue. Most countries don't want to. I suppose bigger countries would be less likely to perceive it as a threat though.

[Angel of Death]

More Overton window shifting:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-in-talks-with-congo-and-other-countries-on-gaza-voluntary-migration-plan/

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Israeli ministers keep saying the quiet part out loud again:

https://twitter.com/israeltrnsltd/status/1741891754196901934

https://twitter.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1741949923086794759

This guy is basically Israel’s version of Marjorie Taylor Greene. Don’t take it seriously.

These aren't just some far-right lunatics.

Itamar Ben-Gvir is Israel's Ministry of National Security

Bezalel Smotrich is Israel's Ministry of Finance

It’s different in a parliamentary system where the cabinet doesn’t require senate confirmation and different parties who don’t like each other still join a coalition.

Has Netanyahu come out to affirm the rights of the Palestinians and reprimanded his ministers?

People will act like some college students represent Palestine but Israeli cabinet ministers don’t represent Israel.

[pppolitics]

indeed, it is extremely hard to survive with large numbers of Palestinians inside your borders

A final solution is needed

Hitler agrees

[pppolitics]

The plan to emigrate 2 million people from Gaza has more holes then Swiss cheese. There are no countries that will take this many people and people won't leave voluntarily.

This proposal is getting traction only because there is nothing else. Under pressure from the USA and arab countries to show any plan this is the best they could come up with.
The current government is trapped with no way out. Either spend billions on Gaza with no end in sight to prevent a humanitarian disaster or watch footage of homeless and starving Gazans being beamed all across the world. Which would be the best recruiting tool Hamas could wish for.

The only way other countries will invest in Gaza outside of direct humanitarian aid is if there is a credible plan for a two state solution. Which the current government will never support.

The fact that this plan is even being considered tells you everything you need to know about Israel.

[Lief 🗽]

Interesting that the “pro-Palestinian” position is apparently that Gazans should be forced to stay there even if they want to emigrate.

[pppolitics]

Interesting that the “pro-Palestinian” position is apparently that Gazans should be forced to stay there even if they want to emigrate.

We all know that Israel is trying to force the Palestinians to emigrate to steal their land.

Are Zionists now going to pretend that forced displacement is voluntary?

[PSOL]

Interesting that the “pro-Palestinian” position is apparently that Gazans should be forced to stay there even if they want to emigrate.

Israel definitely wants them to be forced to leave

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

The demonic, vile beast which is settler extremism is only going to be further emboldened if they win in Gaza. Thus, allowing Gaza to be ethnically cleansed is only enabling extreme strands of Zionism and making them more powerful. Which is bad for the state of the state of Israel, bad for Palestinians, AND bad for neighboring countries, all in different but resoundingly clear ways. It's also bad for America.

[patzer]

Interesting that the “pro-Palestinian” position is apparently that Gazans should be forced to stay there even if they want to emigrate.

We all know that Israel is trying to force the Palestinians to emigrate to steal their land.

Are Zionists now going to pretend that forced displacement is voluntary?

In October Gazans were queueing up at the border trying to leave but only dual nationals were allowed out

It shouldn't be remotely controversial to acknowledge that refugees may in fact want to find better housing elsewhere given the state that the refugee camps of Gaza have been in for many years.

It's just important to make sure that people aren't forced out at all, that those who wish to remain are fully able to

[pppolitics]

Interesting that the “pro-Palestinian” position is apparently that Gazans should be forced to stay there even if they want to emigrate.

We all know that Israel is trying to force the Palestinians to emigrate to steal their land.

Are Zionists now going to pretend that forced displacement is voluntary?

In October Gazans were queueing up at the border trying to leave but only dual nationals were allowed out

It shouldn't be remotely controversial to acknowledge that refugees may in fact want to find better housing elsewhere given the state that the refugee camps of Gaza have been in for many years.

It's just important to make sure that people aren't forced out at all, that those who wish to remain are fully able to

They can find better housing in Israel.

Let's relocate them to inside the green line.

[patzer]

They can find better housing in Israel.

Let's relocate them to inside Israel.

Do you also enjoy suggesting that Ukrainian refugees find new homes in Russia?

[pppolitics]

They can find better housing in Israel.

Let's relocate them to inside Israel.

Do you also enjoy suggesting that Ukrainian refugees find new homes in Russia?

Palestinians are native to Israel.

Ukrainians aren't native to Russia.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

They can find better housing in Israel.

Let's relocate them to inside Israel.

Do you also enjoy suggesting that Ukrainian refugees find new homes in Russia?

Palestinians are natives to Israel.

Ukrainians aren't natives to Russia.

Enabling the precedent that the Holy Land belongs to only one faith is a terrible idea regardless of who is or isn't native to the land. Institutional discrimination against non-Jews is a real problem in Israel and in more than two-thirds of municipalities in Israel Arabs aren't even allowed to live in them under the law.
Either Israel shows more inclusiveness towards its Gentile population or it doesn't deserve to be rewarded with yet still more land. They already have 85-90% of it anyway. Lets get real here...Israeli extremism is THE problem atm, the situation is reversed from the days of the Mandate.

[Pericles]

The decent thing to do is not to force people out of their homes but to rebuild their homes so Gaza is a liveable community again. There is absolutely no expectation that civilians in war ravaged communities just go somewhere else-this is insane nonsense. Time and time again, cities that have been levelled to the ground have been rebuilt to be in the long term just as prosperous or even more than they were before. Gaza could be a beautiful Mediterranean city in a few decades and even live in peace with its neighbours.

So there is no excuse for this disgusting, sick and immoral rhetoric that people keep peddling.

[patzer]

They can find better housing in Israel.

Let's relocate them to inside Israel.

Do you also enjoy suggesting that Ukrainian refugees find new homes in Russia?

Palestinians are native to Israel.

Ukrainians aren't native to Russia.

...?
Ever heard of Kuban Ukrainians?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians_in_Kuban

[heatcharger]

They can find better housing in Israel.

Let's relocate them to inside Israel.

Do you also enjoy suggesting that Ukrainian refugees find new homes in Russia?

Palestinians are native to Israel.

Ukrainians aren't native to Russia.

Nope.

[pppolitics]

They can find better housing in Israel.

Let's relocate them to inside Israel.

Do you also enjoy suggesting that Ukrainian refugees find new homes in Russia?

Palestinians are native to Israel.

Ukrainians aren't native to Russia.

...?
Ever heard of Kuban Ukrainians?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians_in_Kuban

Russia has been forced deporting Ukrainians from Ukraine to Russia.

So it's not that Ukrainians want to live in Russia, but rather that Russia is forcing them to live there.

[patzer]

The decent thing to do is not to force people out of their homes but to rebuild their homes so Gaza is a liveable community again. There is absolutely no expectation that civilians in war ravaged communities just go somewhere else-this is insane nonsense. Time and time again, cities that have been levelled to the ground have been rebuilt to be in the long term just as prosperous or even more than they were before. Gaza could be a beautiful Mediterranean city in a few decades and even live in peace with its neighbours.

So there is no excuse for this disgusting, sick and immoral rhetoric that people keep peddling.

The difference is that the Gaza Strip is not a city- it is, largely speaking, a collection of refugee camps in the middle of nowhere which has only retained a sizeable population for as long as it has because nobody has been willing to provide permanent homes for the refugees in question.

[pppolitics]

The decent thing to do is not to force people out of their homes but to rebuild their homes so Gaza is a liveable community again. There is absolutely no expectation that civilians in war ravaged communities just go somewhere else-this is insane nonsense. Time and time again, cities that have been levelled to the ground have been rebuilt to be in the long term just as prosperous or even more than they were before. Gaza could be a beautiful Mediterranean city in a few decades and even live in peace with its neighbours.

So there is no excuse for this disgusting, sick and immoral rhetoric that people keep peddling.

Israel should be forced to rebuild their homes (the least they can do) or let them move inside the Green Line.

[pppolitics]

The decent thing to do is not to force people out of their homes but to rebuild their homes so Gaza is a liveable community again. There is absolutely no expectation that civilians in war ravaged communities just go somewhere else-this is insane nonsense. Time and time again, cities that have been levelled to the ground have been rebuilt to be in the long term just as prosperous or even more than they were before. Gaza could be a beautiful Mediterranean city in a few decades and even live in peace with its neighbours.

So there is no excuse for this disgusting, sick and immoral rhetoric that people keep peddling.

The difference is that the Gaza Strip is not a city- it is, largely speaking, a collection of refugee camps in the middle of nowhere which has only retained a sizeable population for as long as it has because nobody has been willing to provide permanent homes for the refugees in question.

They are refugees because Israel dislocated them from their land during the first phase of Nakba.

[Hindsight was 2020]

The decent thing to do is not to force people out of their homes but to rebuild their homes so Gaza is a liveable community again. There is absolutely no expectation that civilians in war ravaged communities just go somewhere else-this is insane nonsense. Time and time again, cities that have been levelled to the ground have been rebuilt to be in the long term just as prosperous or even more than they were before. Gaza could be a beautiful Mediterranean city in a few decades and even live in peace with its neighbours.

So there is no excuse for this disgusting, sick and immoral rhetoric that people keep peddling.

Israel should be forced to rebuild their homes (the least they can do) or let them move inside the Green Line.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

indeed, it is extremely hard to survive with large numbers of Palestinians inside your borders

A final solution is needed

Shut up, Red Wall!

indeed, it is extremely hard to survive with large numbers of Palestinians inside your borders

A final solution is needed

Hitler agrees

This dude is a sock account of Red Wall. Don’t waste time engaging with him; the sock should be banned soon.

[patzer]

The decent thing to do is not to force people out of their homes but to rebuild their homes so Gaza is a liveable community again. There is absolutely no expectation that civilians in war ravaged communities just go somewhere else-this is insane nonsense. Time and time again, cities that have been levelled to the ground have been rebuilt to be in the long term just as prosperous or even more than they were before. Gaza could be a beautiful Mediterranean city in a few decades and even live in peace with its neighbours.

So there is no excuse for this disgusting, sick and immoral rhetoric that people keep peddling.

The difference is that the Gaza Strip is not a city- it is, largely speaking, a collection of refugee camps in the middle of nowhere which has only retained a sizeable population for as long as it has because nobody has been willing to provide permanent homes for the refugees in question.

They are refugees because Israel dislocated them from their land during the first phase of Nakba.

I'm not disputing that so I'm not sure what your point is.

My point is simply that they should have the opportunity to move to somewhere that gives them a better life than the Gaza Strip if they want to.

[pppolitics]

The decent thing to do is not to force people out of their homes but to rebuild their homes so Gaza is a liveable community again. There is absolutely no expectation that civilians in war ravaged communities just go somewhere else-this is insane nonsense. Time and time again, cities that have been levelled to the ground have been rebuilt to be in the long term just as prosperous or even more than they were before. Gaza could be a beautiful Mediterranean city in a few decades and even live in peace with its neighbours.

So there is no excuse for this disgusting, sick and immoral rhetoric that people keep peddling.

The difference is that the Gaza Strip is not a city- it is, largely speaking, a collection of refugee camps in the middle of nowhere which has only retained a sizeable population for as long as it has because nobody has been willing to provide permanent homes for the refugees in question.

They are refugees because Israel dislocated them from their land during the first phase of Nakba.

I'm not disputing that so I'm not sure what your point is.

My point is simply that they should have the opportunity to move to somewhere that gives them a better life than the Gaza Strip if they want to.

They do want to go elsewhere: back to their native land in Israel.

It's the Israeli government that won't allow them.