Israel-Gaza war

[GALeftist]

The formation of the narrow war cabinet means that Smotrich and Ben Gvir will not have a say over major war decisions. Judicial reform will be off the agenda for the duration of the emergency government. Gantz has been bitten before, yes, but this situation is quite obviously different and it seems that he has the maturity to recognize that the survival of the nation is more important than his own ego or personal feelings toward Netanyahu. As I see it Lapid is acting in a way that suggests his own political prospects are a significant motivator, which is disappointing in a national emergency of this scale. It's one thing to demand an emergency government excluding Otzma+RZ (perfectly reasonable). It's much less reasonable to refuse to join a government that contains the people responsible for the intelligence failure - while he is right that the failure is galling, I don't see how having Netanyahu and the current government resign *in the middle of this crisis* will help matters.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Daniel Ryan Spaulding

Opinion of Hamas

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyP3PZVNojp/

[Sestak]

"I'm being Kafka trapped! I'm being Kafka trapped!" I continue to insist as I slowly shrink and transform into a corn cob.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Hamas killed babies and Israel is blowing up babies in retaliation, everything sucks and I’m depressed. At the end of the day Palestine has a right to be a nation and how Israel treats them is abhorrent but anyone with a soul left can’t in good faith defend or justify what Hamas has done

[Velasco]

People in this thread speculating about the future of Gaza should read what's linked below. Some people in the Israeli right are taking about reoccupying the Gaza Strip, establishing settlements and the ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands ("whoever chooses to go out, has gone out")

https://twitter.com/YehudaShaul/status/1712406813507764438?t=7UZEUlmAtPxlYQV-82_...

[omar04]

45 Palestinians killed in airstrike on house, Gaza ministry says

https://apnews.com/live/israel-hamas-war-live-updates#0000018b-255b-d853-a3af-2dfb0f880000

[ProudModerate2]

Wow.
I can not believe these two women survived this cross-fire attack without being shot.
They must both feel very lucky.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Hamas killed babies and Israel is blowing up babies in retaliation, everything sucks and I’m depressed. At the end of the day Palestine has a right to be a nation and how Israel treats them is abhorrent but anyone with a soul left can’t in good faith defend or justify what Hamas has done

This is where I'm at too. Everything sucks.

[WalterWhite]

Hamas killed babies and Israel is blowing up babies in retaliation, everything sucks and I’m depressed. At the end of the day Palestine has a right to be a nation and how Israel treats them is abhorrent but anyone with a soul left can’t in good faith defend or justify what Hamas has done

This is where I'm at too. Everything sucks.

Which is why the United States should be as accepting of refugees as possible

[GALeftist]

I've been vocal about my distaste for Hamas and my wish that it be completely annihilated, but how come we don't have people chasing down pro-Israel posters ITT demanding that they denounce the IDF's killings of civilians the same way we have demanded that anyone who supports Palestinian independence denounce Hamas? For all the talk of baby murders, a baby dies whether it's shot by Hamas or bombed by the IDF. Civilian deaths in this conflict are already mostly Palestinian, and it's only going to get worse for Palestinians. And please don't give me the "human shields" crap. It is completely impossible that Israel has enough verified Hamas targets to be dropping 1,000 bombs a day for 6 days now with no sign of stopping. Everyone, even Israel, agrees that this is terror bombing.

[Horus]

I've been vocal about my distaste for Hamas and my wish that it be completely annihilated, but how come we don't have people chasing down pro-Israel posters ITT demanding that they denounce the IDF's killings of civilians the same way we have demanded that anyone who supports Palestinian independence denounce Hamas? For all the talk of baby murders, a baby dies whether it's shot by Hamas or bombed by the IDF. Civilian deaths in this conflict are already mostly Palestinian, and it's only going to get worse for Palestinians. And please don't give me the "human shields" crap. It is completely impossible that Israel has enough verified Hamas targets to be dropping 1,000 bombs a day for 6 days now with no sign of stopping. Everyone, even Israel, agrees that this is terror bombing.

Some posters here truly believe that Israeli lives are simply more precious than Palestinian lives. Many Evangelical Christians think this as they consider Jewish people special and vital for their nihilistic, bloodthirsty end times fantasies. Fuzzy has all but admitted that he cares about Israeli children more than Palestinian children, he said as much in the recent bans megathread.

[Zinneke]

https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1712522371020521848

Just posting this not because I think the IDF should just stop, they do have a right to enter Gaza and remove Hamas. But look at the level of bombing and tell me it is proportionate when it 6 times the amount of bombs used against ISIS in a month by the West.

[Horus]

Hamas killed babies and Israel is blowing up babies in retaliation, everything sucks and I’m depressed. At the end of the day Palestine has a right to be a nation and how Israel treats them is abhorrent but anyone with a soul left can’t in good faith defend or justify what Hamas has done

This is where I'm at too. Everything sucks.

Which is why the United States should be as accepting of refugees as possible

I'm generally an immigration skeptic, and have gotten into it with many left of center folks about the pros and cons of mass immigration. Still, Israel would not be capable of such total destruction if we hadn't been propping them up for 75 years. I think we should welcome as many Gazan refugees as possible. We owe them.

[Senator Incitatus]

I think I speak for all neutral parties when I say that I really expected a much less brutal cataclysmic race war. I’m shocked by the disturbing and uncharitable behavior we’re seeing from the participants in this latest edition of the Genocide Olympics. Not at all sporting.

[Saint Milei]

45 Palestinians killed in airstrike on house, Gaza ministry says

https://apnews.com/live/israel-hamas-war-live-updates#0000018b-255b-d853-a3af-2dfb0f880000

I'm sorry, why was my post deleted when I asked how many terrorists? How the heck is that trolling?


You mods let blatant insults fly in this thread and when I ask about how many terrorists were killed in a strike it gets deleted?

[Saint Milei]

I think I speak for all neutral parties when I say that I really expected a much less brutal cataclysmic race war. I’m shocked by the disturbing and uncharitable behavior we’re seeing from the participants in this latest edition of the Genocide Olympics. Not at all sporting.

I didn't.

[Senator Incitatus]

I think I speak for all neutral parties when I say that I really expected a much less brutal cataclysmic race war. I’m shocked by the disturbing and uncharitable behavior we’re seeing from the participants in this latest edition of the Genocide Olympics. Not at all sporting.

I didn't.

I ultimately chose not to explicitly tag my post as sarcasm because I couldn’t imagine it would possibly go over anyone’s head.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

https://twitter.com/GravitysRa1nbow/status/1712557337918214228?t=oqNYph8rCL5TSvJ...
The end of roof knocking and the scale of the current bombing should have made this obvious, but...

[Saint Milei]

I think I speak for all neutral parties when I say that I really expected a much less brutal cataclysmic race war. I’m shocked by the disturbing and uncharitable behavior we’re seeing from the participants in this latest edition of the Genocide Olympics. Not at all sporting.

I didn't.

I ultimately chose not to explicitly tag my post as sarcasm because I couldn’t imagine it would possibly go over anyone’s head.

Ok

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

US trying to broker deals to prevent conflict from spreading:

"The discussions between Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict are “helpful,” a senior State Department official said Wednesday.

The United States has been asking key allies to talk to Israel’s adversaries to prevent the war with Hamas from escalating into a larger regional conflict."

...

"The discussion between Raisi and Mohammed was the first call between the two leaders since their countries, which are longtime adversaries, resumed ties after a China-brokered détente in March."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/11/israel-hamas-war-updates-gaza-attack/

A rare ray of sunshine in a dark tunnel.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I'm gonna be real, as someone who wholeheartedly supports Palestinian liberation, I find the constant arguments over the baby beheadings totally counterproductive and really emblematic of the failures of the pro-Palestinian left here. This is just me personally, but I suspect I am not in the minority when I say that I am mostly against baby killing in itself – the issue of whether the babies were beheaded is of comparatively minor importance. Therefore, when I see person 1 go "Hamas beheaded babies" and person 2 go "that's not true, they definitely killed babies, but there's no confirmation of beheadings" I instantly become less sympathetic to person 2. Anyone killing babies is bad and doesn't need to be defended.

The problem with that mindset is that if person 1 is being dishonest and trying to inflame the situation while being unchallenged over minor details, they can retain credibility which they can use to escalate to geater and greater levels of disinformation. In this case no propaganda is needed as Hamas is villanous enough on it's own, but the prinicple that both sides, especially when involving governments should be assumed to be lying unless they peovide tangible evidence is not a bad one.

Agreed.

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/barakravid/status/1712566959252885504?s=46

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

https://twitter.com/barakravid/status/1712566959252885504?s=46

If this is confirmed, forget financial crimes and corruption, if the Israelis are serious about holding those responsible for these attacks other than the direct perpetrators like Hamas through negligence to account, BiBi should be facing court martial / treason charges. The bastard.

[Senator Incitatus]

[tweet]

The end of roof knocking and the scale of the current bombing should have made this obvious, but...

I heard about the scale of the bombing campaign and immediately thought of Tokyo—demoralization through absolute devastation. Has there been anything close to that since?

[DavidB.]

https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1712522371020521848

Just posting this not because I think the IDF should just stop, they do have a right to enter Gaza and remove Hamas. But look at the level of bombing and tell me it is proportionate when it 6 times the amount of bombs used against ISIS in a month by the West.

What a disingenuous comparison again. Imagine comparing the landmass of a city-state like Gaza to the landmass of an entire desert with a few settlements in it, where no doubt all of the anti-ISIS coalition's bombs dropped. The comparison becomes much fairer if you only take into account urban areas. Gotta wonder why "Charles" doesn't make this fair comparison?

Apart from that, after 6,000 bombs, apparently there are only 1,420 victims (not all civilian, mind you). This means most bombs have hit targets with 0 victims. Israel is eradicating Hamas with as few civilian victims as possible!

Now please wonder how many victims there would be if Hamas had the capability of dropping 6,000 bombs in urban areas in Israel. Guess how many victims there would be? That's the difference between Israel and Hamas to you.