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« Reply #1675 on: October 30, 2022, 05:37:26 PM »

no its not suspended for a few years.
Well, then this election is essentially meaningless.
That’s not true. Lula can still protect the Amazon rainforest.
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« Reply #1676 on: October 30, 2022, 05:37:27 PM »

Well, I wrong in saying that Bolsonaro would win. Congrats to Lula.

However, these results aren't "exciting", IMO. A 50/50 election and Brazil's National Congress is firmly in the grip of Bolsonaro-acolytes.

At least, the destruction of the Amazon is temporarily suspended for a few years.

no its not suspended for a few years.

I’m with New Frontier on this one. The federal legislative and state-level first round results weren’t exactly great for the (center)-left. Very reminiscent of US 2020.

no its not suspended for a few years.
Well, then this election is essentially meaningless.

No what i meant was Lula will likely have a policy of lasting protections for it.

Hopefully you’re right on this one.
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« Reply #1677 on: October 30, 2022, 05:37:30 PM »

no its not suspended for a few years.
Well, then this election is essentially meaningless.

No what i meant was Lula will likely have a policy of lasting protections for it.
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« Reply #1678 on: October 30, 2022, 05:39:16 PM »

Minas has a bit of everything in Brazil, the southern regions are reminiscent of the southeast, the northern regions are remaniscent of the northeast, that's why whoever wins there, tends to win the nation.

Zema's political machine was able to close the gap for Bolsonaro by quite a bit, but yeah, it seems like it wasn't enough.

Side note, Zema is likely to try to become president in 2026, of the three people trying to carry the right wing banner (Tarcisio, Zema and Moro), I think he'd be the strongest.
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« Reply #1679 on: October 30, 2022, 05:39:25 PM »

Jerônimo Rodrigues (PT) wins in Bahia. This is the most PT-friendly big state in Brazil, so this is a big win for them.
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« Reply #1680 on: October 30, 2022, 05:42:02 PM »

Side note, Zema is likely to try to become president in 2026, of the three people trying to carry the right wing banner (Tarcisio, Zema and Moro), I think he'd be the strongest.

Tebet and Leite for the centrao, but who is likely to be the left/PT standard-bearer?
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« Reply #1681 on: October 30, 2022, 05:42:11 PM »

Does this sort of defeat margin mean that Bolsonaro should have enough political capital to try to run in 2026 ?
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« Reply #1682 on: October 30, 2022, 05:42:15 PM »

Lula: 59,001,999 (50.77%)
Bolsonaro: 57,213,168 (49.23%)
97.96% REPORTING
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« Reply #1683 on: October 30, 2022, 05:44:05 PM »

Jerônimo Rodrigues (PT) wins in Bahia. This is the most PT-friendly big state in Brazil, so this is a big win for them.

Still, it was close. 52.6% to ACM Neto's 47.4%.
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« Reply #1684 on: October 30, 2022, 05:44:46 PM »

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-30/lula-poised-to-win-brazil-s-election-pollster-datafolha-says

Results below. Lula is up by nearly 2 million, 50.77-49.23%, with over 98% of the vote in.

https://resultados.tse.jus.br/oficial/app/index.html#/eleicao/resultados
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« Reply #1685 on: October 30, 2022, 05:44:51 PM »

Has Bolsonaro started throwing a fit yet?
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« Reply #1686 on: October 30, 2022, 05:45:08 PM »

Side note, Zema is likely to try to become president in 2026, of the three people trying to carry the right wing banner (Tarcisio, Zema and Moro), I think he'd be the strongest.

Tebet and Leite for the centrao, but who is likely to be the left/PT standard-bearer?
No idea, this is actually a very common critique to PT (even from the left), they struggle to create non-Lula leaderships. Maybe they'll try to make Haddad a minister during Lula's government to make him a candidate in 2026? Maybe they'll try to get Bahia governor and possible minister of the economy Rui Costa the 2026 candidate, not sure tbh. Personally, I think they need to forget Haddad, I don't really dislike the guy but I just don't think he is a strong candidate.
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« Reply #1687 on: October 30, 2022, 05:45:16 PM »

Jerônimo Rodrigues (PT) wins in Bahia. This is the most PT-friendly big state in Brazil, so this is a big win for them.

Still, it was close.
For sure. If it wasn't this close, it would have been called a long time ago.
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« Reply #1688 on: October 30, 2022, 05:45:28 PM »

Excellent news.
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« Reply #1689 on: October 30, 2022, 05:46:40 PM »
« Edited: October 30, 2022, 05:49:52 PM by Alben Barkley »


The polls seem to have underestimated Bolsonaro though. There actually seem to be a lot of parallels here to 2020 US, and I wouldn't be surprised if Bolsonaro acts like Trump after that election as well...

Also this is the closest election in Brazil history and the first time an incumbent president has ever lost.
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« Reply #1690 on: October 30, 2022, 05:47:09 PM »

Does this sort of defeat margin mean that Bolsonaro should have enough political capital to try to run in 2026 ?
He could, but I think there's a non-negligible chance he decides to make Tarcisio run for the presidency instead.

There are rumors he actually promissed Zema he wouldn't support any specific right wing candidate in the first round in 2026, but I doubt he keeps his word.
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« Reply #1691 on: October 30, 2022, 05:52:29 PM »

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Looks like the only state Bolsonaro has flipped since the first round is Amapá, which makes sense, since that was one of Tebet's best states in the first round. And Bolsonaro's current lead there is only 2.8%.
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« Reply #1692 on: October 30, 2022, 05:53:42 PM »

Well glad the absolute worst outcome has been avoided. Still, not exactly a result to fill us with confidence about the future. We'll see how things go in the next 4 years, I guess (hoping Bolsonaro doesn't do a coup).
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« Reply #1693 on: October 30, 2022, 05:54:03 PM »

Found a city in MG, Nanuque, with these results:

10,130 Bolsonaro
10,129 Lula

There's still some areas to be counted in Minas, and it's still close, close, close.
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« Reply #1694 on: October 30, 2022, 05:54:39 PM »

It’s officially 100% over. Lula’s lead has outpaced the uncounted votes.
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« Reply #1695 on: October 30, 2022, 05:55:19 PM »


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« Reply #1696 on: October 30, 2022, 05:57:13 PM »

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« Reply #1697 on: October 30, 2022, 05:57:42 PM »

Stop derailing the thread with loaded questions and saying "cope". This is not a thread debating whether suspending elections is good or bad. I simply voiced my frustration with the results.

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« Reply #1698 on: October 30, 2022, 05:58:16 PM »

Lula: 59,563,912 (50.83%)
Bolsonaro: 57,627,462 (49.17%)
98.81% REPORTING

GLOBO CALLS IT
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« Reply #1699 on: October 30, 2022, 05:58:33 PM »

Lula is officially elected.
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